Re: Sibelius pitchbend for Joseph - was - Scorchin' Fokker and Bosanquet

jpehrson@rcn.com wrote:

> --- In tuning@y..., Alison Monteith <alison.monteith3@w...> wrote:
>
> /tuning/topicId_29171.html#29314
>
> >
> > There's a quarter -tone plug -in which allows you to play in 24 tet
> but on my (Mac) soundcard the
> > supposed 1/4 tone comes out sounding like a horrible little
> glissando. I haven't found a way of
> > 'doing' microtonal music with Sibelius though programmers can write
> their own 3rd party bits. If
> > anyone has succeeded I'd love to know about it. On the other hand
> as a notation programme Sibelius
> > is excellent.
> >
> > Regards.
>
> Hello Allison!
>
> The gentleman (sales rep) who demonstrated this program at the
> American Music Center was talking about some feature where one could
> type in "cents deviation" from the standard written pitches
> someplace, and it would come out with the right pitch bends when
> these pieces were played back in Scorch.
>
> Did you see anything of this nature in the manual??
>
> Thanks!
>

Hi, Joseph

There is something in the manual about pitch bend. Basically you can send MIDI commands to
Sibelius by typing them in as text which you append (and hide) in the score. There is fine
pitchbend (0-255) and coarse pitchbend (0-63). You type in your pitchbend message as two numbers
preceded by B. So, B0,0 is as low as possible, B0,32 is normal and B255,63 is as high as possible.
I suppose you could work out cent equivalents, which is perhaps what the rep meant. Unless there
is a plug-in to facilitate the conversion.

I don't use the feature as I only use Sibelius for notation and playback of my choral work.
Besides my brains are mince from trying to understand Blackjack and other topics.

Kind Regards

--- In tuning@y..., Alison Monteith <alison.monteith3@w...> wrote:

> Besides my brains are mince from trying to understand Blackjack and
other topics.

The best way to understand Blackjack is with Dave Keenan's slide
rules. In case you didn't yet, it's time to turn on that printer and
pull out those scissors.

--- In tuning@y..., Alison Monteith <alison.monteith3@w...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_29429.html#29429

> Hi, Joseph
>
> There is something in the manual about pitch bend. Basically you
can send MIDI commands to Sibelius by typing them in as text which
you append (and hide) in the score. There is fine pitchbend (0-255)
and coarse pitchbend (0-63). You type in your pitchbend message as
two numbers preceded by B. So, B0,0 is as low as possible, B0,32 is
normal and B255,63 is as high as possible. I suppose you could work
out cent equivalents, which is perhaps what the rep meant. Unless
there is a plug-in to facilitate the conversion.
>

Hello Allison!

This is *exactly* what I remember him talking about, but he only did
it for a very short time as there were only about three die-hard
microtonalists in the crowd...

There would *definitely* be appropriate pitch bends... it looks like
16065 units per semitone, yes?? I think we could fit the smallest
required deviation from 12-tET in blackjack, 16.6 cents pretty easily
into that! Even the "coarse" pitch bend is only 1.58 cents...

And, I happen to know that Sibelius supports fully PostScript fonts
(my friend the "expert" advises me here...) so even the "Ted Mook 72-
tET font" would work...

So that means a system like 72-tET could be played back via the
Internet in Scorch... it would play back appropriately on most sound
cards.

This will be a terrific direction to explore one of these days.
However, for the time being I am still using the old "Score" notation
program and other methods.

Possibly, by the time I'm ready to convert to Sibelius there will be
even more xenharmonic enhancements... [It also reads and
converts "IBM Score" files...]

Still, it's nice to know that microtonality *is* possible with the
program with a little doing. (Of course, it would get more and more
routine as one used it...)

Thanks for looking this up for me!!! I'm getting more excited about
it!!

best wishes

_________ ________ _______
Joseph Pehrson

jpehrson@rcn.com wrote:

> --- In tuning@y..., Alison Monteith <alison.monteith3@w...> wrote:
>
> /tuning/topicId_29429.html#29429
>
> > Hi, Joseph
> >
> > There is something in the manual about pitch bend. Basically you
> can send MIDI commands to Sibelius by typing them in as text which
> you append (and hide) in the score. There is fine pitchbend (0-255)
> and coarse pitchbend (0-63). You type in your pitchbend message as
> two numbers preceded by B. So, B0,0 is as low as possible, B0,32 is
> normal and B255,63 is as high as possible. I suppose you could work
> out cent equivalents, which is perhaps what the rep meant. Unless
> there is a plug-in to facilitate the conversion.
> >
>
> Hello Allison!
>
> This is *exactly* what I remember him talking about, but he only did
> it for a very short time as there were only about three die-hard
> microtonalists in the crowd...
>
> There would *definitely* be appropriate pitch bends... it looks like
> 16065 units per semitone, yes?? I think we could fit the smallest
> required deviation from 12-tET in blackjack, 16.6 cents pretty easily
> into that! Even the "coarse" pitch bend is only 1.58 cents...
>
> And, I happen to know that Sibelius supports fully PostScript fonts
> (my friend the "expert" advises me here...) so even the "Ted Mook 72-
> tET font" would work...
>
> So that means a system like 72-tET could be played back via the
> Internet in Scorch... it would play back appropriately on most sound
> cards.
>
> This will be a terrific direction to explore one of these days.
> However, for the time being I am still using the old "Score" notation
> program and other methods.
>
> Possibly, by the time I'm ready to convert to Sibelius there will be
> even more xenharmonic enhancements... [It also reads and
> converts "IBM Score" files...]
>
> Still, it's nice to know that microtonality *is* possible with the
> program with a little doing. (Of course, it would get more and more
> routine as one used it...)
>
> Thanks for looking this up for me!!! I'm getting more excited about
> it!!
>
> best wishes
>
> _________ ________ _______
> Joseph Pehrson

It's a great programme as is, but I'd test the microtonal abilities before you invest. In
particular the 24 tet plug-in, which I'm sure is a midi message affair, was very poor. This might
be down to my Mac soundcard, but then it's probably as good as most soundcards around.

Another feature is the ability to design your own symbols. You could discover a new comma and
design a symbol for it.

Best Wishes.

Here's another person's opinion:
http://www.tgtools.de/finsib.htm

Manuel

--- In tuning@y..., <manuel.op.de.coul@e...> wrote:

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>
> Here's another person's opinion:
> http://www.tgtools.de/finsib.htm
>
> Manuel

Note, however, that this is on a, specifically, Finale website!

________ _______ ________
Joseph Pehrson