Re: New poll for tuning

Before voting on anything like this, let's first consider whether the
choices on which a vote is being cast are relevant. A practical tuning
group separated from a theoretical/mathematical tuning is tempting but
doesn't address the problem. I'd like to see the internet deliver some sort
of an alternate vision and not simply create more of the division that all
this tribal territorial stuff represents.

Maybe there is a way on yahoogroups.com to host a larger group and have
people set up some filters of their own so that all correspondents don't
have to
[a] receive threads they want ie. they get a chance to switch off cat-fights
[b] receive a whole swag of message overheads
[c] receive every trivial one-line response to a message

If there isn't a way, can we look for another host ?

Greg S

tuning wrote:

> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> tuning group:

[snip]

> To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
> /tuning/polls
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.

Ha! Does anyone else think that requiring voters to open up a web browser,
cut-and-paste the link from above, wait to log-in to Yahoo, click around
an ad or two, then click somewhere to register a vote, is going to appeal
more to those list members who prefer the web than to those of us who
prefer text/email? Please, don't base any decision about moving or not on
such a poll.

Judging by the number of posts for and against a move to Chris's majordomo
server, opinion would seem evenly split. However, the posts against are
all from Joe P. And I don't mean Joe's opinion should be ignored, or any
disrespect to Joe, but there are many more voices for a move away from
yahoo, and many valid reasons given for not wanting to be on a commercial
website.

Re Gene's usenet proposal: the objection that usenet has a poor interface
is misinformed; there are as many "interfaces" to usenet as there are
newsreaders--it's like saying you don't like the interface to email or the
interface to ftp. However I think a list like this, with a fairly small
posting community, is best kept on a members-only basis, even if
membership is completely open. Reason being, some folks are already
annoyed at the amount of chattiness on the list which means there's not
time to read everything, and they will no doubt miss something interesting
now and then. If we were on usenet, continually getting any J.Random User
surfing in from google groups and treating usenet like a chat room, or if
we got spammers on the newsgroup, more and more contributors would be
driven away.

The list has moved before, three times since I've been reading, and
survived each time. Interested people will find us wherever we are. With
Chris's proposal we get a dedicated list administrator (not meaning this
as an insult to our yahoo list owner, but rather to yahoo themselves who
have screwed things up and doubtless will do so again), much more server
space for files, and Columbia is not going to disappear any time soon. The
move away from the commercial web, far from being a move back to the dark
ages, is a no-brainer and clearly the right thing--it will just take a
little amount of getting through teething problems for some members who
are so far less comfortable with text mediums. But the time spent getting
readjusted will be made up for very quickly by less time spent clicking
around ads, waiting to log on, etc. I hope we move, I hope Joe P stays and
works through his discomforts with what most of us think is the right
medium for a list like this, and I am positive that any one of a number of
able people will be able to help him with any unresolved issue.

I really didn't mean to write so much, it just suddenly struck me that it
would be a real shame to keep an inferior solution out of inertia alone
--Jon

--- In tuning@y..., jon wild <wild@f...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_23489.html#36281

I hope we move, I hope Joe P stays and
> works through his discomforts with what most of us think is the
right medium for a list like this, and I am positive that any one of
a number of able people will be able to help him with any unresolved
issue.
>
> I really didn't mean to write so much, it just suddenly struck me
that it would be a real shame to keep an inferior solution out of
inertia alone
> --Jon

***Hi Jon!

Well, certainly I don't want to come off as the "naysayer" regarding
a potential move, and I'm also not fond of a "commercial" platform.

I'm not exactly certain, though, who you are including as "most of
us." Gene Ward Smith didn't like the Columbia list either as it
stands, so there have been both positive and negative comments.

I really don't want to go back to reading individual e-mails or
digests and responding to those. After all, that's what I *USED* to
do when it was the only option!!!

I realize that some disagree with me, but, frankly, I don't feel it
is as "progressive" a way to handle these matters as working with a
Web interface.

I'm certain I would have no problem posting and responding to
a "regular e-mail" mailing list. I get others, including CSOUND.

But, I just am opposed to taking *this* list in that direction, if
that's all we get.

We need to get some other opinions, though, so Paul had a good idea
with his "poll..."

best,

Joe

--- In tuning@y..., "jpehrson2" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:

> I'm not exactly certain, though, who you are including as "most of
> us." Gene Ward Smith didn't like the Columbia list either as it
> stands, so there have been both positive and negative comments.

I just don't think a move will work unless both the webheads and mailreaders are happy--Gresham's Law. If Columbia had a web interface, it would suck the webbers over and the mailusers are going to be subscribed to both groups anyway. The result would be the move would happen.

Lighten up Joseph!.
just vote while you you still can:)

Joseph Pehrson wrote:

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, tuning@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> /tuning/topicId_11618.html#54461
>
> >
> > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> > tuning group:
> >
> > What kind of list member are you?
> >
> > o I read just about every message because it beats watching TV
> > o I actually make microtonal music(/hardware/software); I mostly
> post announcements here
> > o I am a new member/what on earth are these people talking about?
> > o I am the silent majority and I don't care
> > o I don't get emails from this group so how would I know about
> this poll?
> >
> >
> > To vote, please visit the following web page:
> >
> > /tuning/surveys?id=1302798
> >
> > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> > web site listed above.
> >
> > Thanks!
>
> ***Who put this "poll" together? It's intended as being facetious,
> right? It's rather insulting to the group, otherwise, since there
> are actually some people here who write music and who have benefitted
> from the theory on this list in doing so...
>
> J. Pehrson
>
>
> You can configure your subscription by sending an empty email to one
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> tuning-digest@yahoogroups.com - set group to send daily digests.
> tuning-normal@yahoogroups.com - set group to send individual emails.
> tuning-help@yahoogroups.com - receive general help information.
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
>

-- -Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_23489.html#54477

> Lighten up Joseph!.
> just vote while you you still can:)
>

***Aha! All right, Kraig... I used my god-like moderator powers to
figure out who made that post! Naughty, naughty! :)

But tell me, how is it that that Sagittal notation looks so much like
the hieroglyphics on the runestone on the Anaphoria website??

JP

I didn't put the post up ,
but i did vote.

it is better than TV, why not admit it
Of course that isn't hard these days:)

As you know Anaphoria is on the other side of the international date line
so Anaphorians live one day in the future!

Joseph Pehrson wrote:

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
>
> /tuning/topicId_23489.html#54477
>
> > Lighten up Joseph!.
> > just vote while you you still can:)
> >
>
> ***Aha! All right, Kraig... I used my god-like moderator powers to
> figure out who made that post! Naughty, naughty! :)
>
> But tell me, how is it that that Sagittal notation looks so much like
> the hieroglyphics on the runestone on the Anaphoria website??
>
> JP
>
>

-- -Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
wrote:
> But tell me, how is it that that Sagittal notation looks so much
> like the hieroglyphics on the runestone on the Anaphoria website??

Ah yes! I've been wondering about that too. You mean the Tablet of
Celudore, shown in the 6th graphic on this page:
http://www.anaphoria.com/musinst.html

I have a feeling that Hermes will tell us about that eventually.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Keenan" <d.keenan@b...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_23489.html#54548

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
> wrote:
> > But tell me, how is it that that Sagittal notation looks so much
> > like the hieroglyphics on the runestone on the Anaphoria website??
>
> Ah yes! I've been wondering about that too. You mean the Tablet of
> Celudore, shown in the 6th graphic on this page:
> http://www.anaphoria.com/musinst.html
>
> I have a feeling that Hermes will tell us about that eventually.

***Yes, this is exactly it. My personal feeling is that the
Anaphorians had the notation first, it somehow spread to Herpes and
there has been no end of it ever since...

J. Pehrson

   The odd thing comes...when what you put in the SCALA file is ONLY subset patterns such as LLsLLLs (MOS scales, for example).

    In such a case, I wish we could agree to some file name convention like
A) The tuning is 12tonetuning.scl
B) The scale is 7tonescale.scl
   (and the necessity to mention both) for starters.  Or, if there is no tuning that's a super-set of the scale, simply call it something like a "tuning-less scale".
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Furthermore, what would be even cooler is if SCALA has cascading modes.  For example you would first
A) Input the tuning you wish to use (IE 22TET) as 22TET.tcl (tuning)
     and THEN
B) Input as many scales as you want as subset parts of the tuning file in a separate screen. 

   So each tuning would have a drop-down menu under it where you could select a huge set of possible scales and THEN save each scale as a .scl file (this would also enforce backward compatibility: if no ".tcl" file was found, SCALA would create a new .tunscl file with the scale being the only selectable subset of notes in the tuning).

   That, in my opinion, would help tremendously...if the program itself (SCALA) enforced the "scale as a subset of a tuning" terminology in its own design. 
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-Michael