New poll for tuning

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Postings can be made available in more
than one language, if necessary...

o Yes, good idea
o No, files too large

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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
tuning group:

Shall we move to another listserv?

o Yes
o No
o I want to see the details first.

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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
tuning group:

What is your favorite ratio?

o 1:2
o 2:3
o 3:4
o 4:5
o 32768:32805
o dead kennedys:retarded bushes

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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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Should there be a separate list for the
mathematical theory of tuning?
(currently the list exists, at tuning-
math@yahoogroups.com -- should it
remain separate?)

o Yes
o No

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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
tuning group:

Would you be happier if the posts on 72-
tet were on another
list?

o Yes
o No
o Don't mind either way

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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
tuning group:

Which tuning of "Tango" do you prefer?

o I prefer tuning m.
o I prefer tuning x.
o I experienced no significant preference.

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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
tuning group:

should the tuning list move?
(all campaigning on this issue should
go on metatuning@yahoogroups.com)

o i'm sick of this spamming and spying . . . let's move!
o but nifty features like these polls would make that a return to the stone age! let's stay!
o i'm just going to be on both lists anyway so why should i care?
o you people are driving me nuts. i'm going to go write some music.

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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
tuning group:

Can you tell which tuning is which?
Please refer to Msg. # 43429.

o Tuning 1 is Equal Temperament
o Tuning 1 is Meantone
o Tuning 1 is Pythagorean
o Tuning 1 is Werckmeister 3
o Tuning 1 is Young
o Tuning 2 is Equal Temperament
o Tuning 2 is Meantone
o Tuning 2 is Pythagorean
o Tuning 2 is Werckmeister 3
o Tuning 2 is Young
o Tuning 3 is Equal Temperament
o Tuning 3 is Meantone
o Tuning 3 is Pythagorean
o Tuning 3 is Werckmeister 3
o Tuning 3 is Young
o Tuning 4 is Equal Temperament
o Tuning 4 is Meantone
o Tuning 4 is Pythagorean
o Tuning 4 is Werckmeister 3
o Tuning 4 is Young
o Tuning 5 is Equal Temperament
o Tuning 5 is Meantone
o Tuning 5 is Pythagorean
o Tuning 5 is Werckmeister 3
o Tuning 5 is Young

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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
tuning group:

Who the heck is A. Composer?

o An unknown, modern composer
o Gene's sock puppet
o The answer is obvious from the symphony

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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
tuning group:

What kind of list member are you?

o I read just about every message because it beats watching TV
o I actually make microtonal music(/hardware/software); I mostly post announcements here
o I am a new member/what on earth are these people talking about?
o I am the silent majority and I don't care
o I don't get emails from this group so how would I know about this poll?

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--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, tuning@yahoogroups.com wrote:

/tuning/topicId_11618.html#54461

>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> tuning group:
>
> What kind of list member are you?
>
> o I read just about every message because it beats watching TV
> o I actually make microtonal music(/hardware/software); I mostly
post announcements here
> o I am a new member/what on earth are these people talking about?
> o I am the silent majority and I don't care
> o I don't get emails from this group so how would I know about
this poll?
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
> /tuning/surveys?id=1302798
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!

***Who put this "poll" together? It's intended as being facetious,
right? It's rather insulting to the group, otherwise, since there
are actually some people here who write music and who have benefitted
from the theory on this list in doing so...

J. Pehrson

Joseph Pehrson wrote:

>***Who put this "poll" together? >
Good question.

>It's intended as being facetious, >right? It's rather insulting to the group, otherwise, since there >are actually some people here who write music and who have benefitted >from the theory on this list in doing so...
>
>J. Pehrson
> >
Notice how the member who never makes any music, just email is missing.

;)

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* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
tuning group:

Which "JI" version of this Lassus excerpt sounds best to you?

Note, apparently some of the files don't work with the QuickTime browser plugin.

Sorry not all the files are uniform with respect to tempo and timbre. I don't find it hurts my ability to judge the intonation, but you can adjust tempo and timbre in your MIDI sequencer of choice.

Results will be disclosed when the poll is closed. Votes are anonymous.

o http://lumma.org/stuff/lassus/AveRegina_Lumma2005.mid
o http://lumma.org/stuff/lassus/AveRegina_deVelde2009.mid
o http://lumma.org/stuff/lassus/AveRegina_deVelde2009.2.mid
o http://lumma.org/stuff/lassus/AveRegina_AdaptiveJI.mid

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>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> tuning group:
>
> Which "JI" version of this Lassus excerpt sounds best to you?
>
> Note, apparently some of the files don't work with the QuickTime browser
> plugin.
>
> Sorry not all the files are uniform with respect to tempo and timbre. I
> don't find it hurts my ability to judge the intonation, but you can adjust
> tempo and timbre in your MIDI sequencer of choice.
>
> Results will be disclosed when the poll is closed. Votes are anonymous.
>
> o http://lumma.org/stuff/lassus/AveRegina_Lumma2005.mid
> o http://lumma.org/stuff/lassus/AveRegina_deVelde2009.mid
> o http://lumma.org/stuff/lassus/AveRegina_deVelde2009.2.mid
> o http://lumma.org/stuff/lassus/AveRegina_AdaptiveJI.mid
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> /tuning/surveys?id=2832784
>
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> web site listed above.
>

First of all, please remove my old version "deVelde2009.mid" as I've made it
clear allready that this one is wrong.
You're beeing very hostile Carl.

Secondly how fair of a comparison is it with all versions with different
timbres and your old version played with different note lengths and speed.
You have the adaptiveJI version with thesame timbre as the deVelde2009.2.mid
why don't you use that one.
And if you wish I could put lumma2005.mid in thesame speed with thesame
notelengths with thesame timbre aswell but you allready indicated you don't
think this is the correct version and prefer the adaptiveJI version
yourself.

Also nice to choose the timbre that makes the dissonant chords in my correct
JI version stick out.
I stand 100% behond my version beeing 100% correct, but this timbre isn't
the nicest way to hear it.

Marcel

Marcel wrote:

> First of all, please remove my old version "deVelde2009.mid" as
> I've made it clear allready that this one is wrong.

What does it hurt? It's a valid choice. Maybe somebody
likes it. I personally dislike my 2005 version but I put
it up there too.

> Secondly how fair of a comparison is it with all versions with
> different timbres and your old version played with different
> note lengths and speed.

I addressed this in the poll. It's a poll, not a scientific
experiment.

> Also nice to choose the timbre that makes the dissonant chords
> in my correct JI version stick out.

You keep speaking of the timbres like anyone else is hearing
them besides yourself. What synth are you using?

-Carl

>
> What does it hurt? It's a valid choice. Maybe somebody
> likes it. I personally dislike my 2005 version but I put
> it up there too.
>

It hurts me.
I don't want it up there.

> Secondly how fair of a comparison is it with all versions with
> > different timbres and your old version played with different
> > note lengths and speed.
>
> I addressed this in the poll. It's a poll, not a scientific
> experiment.
>

Would have been nice if you made it a better poll..

> Also nice to choose the timbre that makes the dissonant chords
> > in my correct JI version stick out.
>
> You keep speaking of the timbres like anyone else is hearing
> them besides yourself. What synth are you using?
>

Right.. Like you actually beleive everybody is listening to the midi files
by playing them with their synth?
By far most people will offcourse play it simply in their browser with
windows media player or quicktime, some will download it and play it with a
midi player that uses their soundcard's general midi wavetable.
Very very few will download it and play it with their synth.

Marcel

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
tuning group:

There are things embodied by Scala .scl files (lists of intervals or pitches).

Then, there are more abstract things embodied by, for example, "LLsLLLs" or some other similar scheme.

Neither of these have names in conventional music theory. Restricted versions of them (assuming roughly meantone or Pythagorean tuning) are both referred to as scales, and sometimes as modes or some other term.

On a mailing list, it is critical to define terminology precisely to avoid endless circular arguments based on misunderstandings.

So cast your vote! Click on every option you approve of. This is an approval ballot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting

Contact me offlist if you feel an option is missing from the poll.

o Call the first thing a gamut, and the second a scale.
o Call the first thing a scale, the second a necklace.
o Call the first thing a scale, the second a dromos.
o Call the first thing a scale, the second an abscale.
o Call them both scales; context will make it clear.
o Call the first thing a tuning system, and the second a scale.

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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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Welcome to Scale poll 2.0! Two options from our previous poll stood out, but were tied. Additionally, we found out that there's already a body of literature calling things like LLsLLLs "words", but Yahoo wouldn't allow me to add this choice to the existing poll. The original description follows...

There are things embodied by Scala .scl files (lists of intervals or pitches). Then, there are more abstract things embodied by, for example, "LLsLLLs" or some other similar scheme. Neither of these have names in conventional music theory. Restricted versions of them (assuming roughly meantone or Pythagorean tuning) are both referred to as scales, and sometimes as modes or some other term. On a mailing list, it is critical to define terminology precisely to avoid endless circular arguments based on misunderstandings. So cast your vote!

Click on every option you approve of. This is an approval ballot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting

o Call the first thing a "tuning system", and the second a "scale".
o Call the first thing a "gamut", and the second a "scale".
o Call the first thing a "scale", and the second a "word".

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