Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup metatuning Stravinsky conducts his own music

there is a set of Ansermet, his friend, which is better, cheaper.
I will say that i think his work has more relavance to Microtonality than the other european cul de sacs.
and on top of it, he actually had a soul

Joseph Pehrson wrote:

> Comments??
>
> J. Pehrson
>

-- -Kraig Grady
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🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>

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wrote:
> there is a set of Ansermet, his friend, which is better, cheaper.
> I will say that i think his work has more relavance to
Microtonality than the other european cul de sacs.
> and on top of it, he actually had a soul
>
> Joseph Pehrson wrote:
>
> > Comments??
> >
> > J. Pehrson
> >

***Yes, I like his music too. This CD has _Symphony of Psalms_ and
_Symphony in 3 Movements_ on it with Stravinsky conducting.

I think I've heard much better performances of these pieces. They
seem kind of like a "diamond in the rough" with factors like balance
not really fully developed.

But, since Stravinsky only conducted his *own* music, I'm not sure he
had full "conductor's chops..."

J. Pehrson

🔗Paul Erlich <PERLICH@...>

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>

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> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
> wrote:
> > Comments??
> >
> > J. Pehrson
>
> was there anything else in this post? i didn't see it. stravinsky
> conducts his own music . . . yup??

***I was meaning, Paul, whether people liked the way he did it! :)

Better go back to math, Paul... :)

(Just joking)

J. Pehrson

🔗Paul Erlich <PERLICH@...>

i guess i haven't done enough comparison of various really old
recordings of the same stravinsky piece to have an opinion on
this . . . i just thought that the entire body of your post
being "comments?" looked suspicious . . .

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Erlich" <PERLICH@A...> wrote:

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> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
> wrote:
> > --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Erlich" <PERLICH@A...>
> wrote:
> >
> > /metatuning/topicId_54.html#54
> >
> > > --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson"
> <jpehrson@r...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Comments??
> > > >
> > > > J. Pehrson
> > >
> > > was there anything else in this post? i didn't see it.
stravinsky
> > > conducts his own music . . . yup??
> >
> > ***I was meaning, Paul, whether people liked the way he did
it! :)
>
> i guess i haven't done enough comparison of various really old
> recordings of the same stravinsky piece to have an opinion on
> this . . . i just thought that the entire body of your post
> being "comments?" looked suspicious . . .

***My problem, Paul, is that I can't seem to remember the recordings
I've heard! I know that, when a student and over the years, I've
heard *much* better performances of these Stravinsky pieces, but, at
the time, I thought *performance* didn't matter so much compared to
*composition*...(!)

Pooh...

Now I find out, many, many years later, that the visions of the
pieces I had in my head in several cases were influenced by splendid
performances, and I can't seem to find them again.

This also happened to the Berlioz _Damnation of Faust_ which I
learned from a splendid recording, and I can never find its equal.

If I knew what I know now, I would have remembered the performances
for sure!

Joseph

🔗kraig grady <kraiggrady@...>

I have actually been quite surprised at how well Daniel Barenboim conducts igor. his Sym of Psalms actually has
brought me to tears.
Boelez does a good sym for winds instruments. Igor could bring a unique view to his work though

> Pooh...
>
> Now I find out, many, many years later, that the visions of the
> pieces I had in my head in several cases were influenced by splendid
> performances, and I can't seem to find them again.

-- -Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

🔗Paul Erlich <PERLICH@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
wrote:
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Erlich" <PERLICH@A...>
wrote:
>
> /metatuning/topicId_5382.html#5452
>
> > --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson"
<jpehrson@r...>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Erlich" <PERLICH@A...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > /metatuning/topicId_54.html#54
> > >
> > > > --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson"
> > <jpehrson@r...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Comments??
> > > > >
> > > > > J. Pehrson
> > > >
> > > > was there anything else in this post? i didn't see it.
> stravinsky
> > > > conducts his own music . . . yup??
> > >
> > > ***I was meaning, Paul, whether people liked the way he did
> it! :)
> >
> > i guess i haven't done enough comparison of various really old
> > recordings of the same stravinsky piece to have an opinion on
> > this . . . i just thought that the entire body of your post
> > being "comments?" looked suspicious . . .
>
>
> ***My problem, Paul, is that I can't seem to remember the
recordings
> I've heard! I know that, when a student and over the years, I've
> heard *much* better performances of these Stravinsky pieces, but,
at
> the time, I thought *performance* didn't matter so much compared to
> *composition*...(!)
>
> Pooh...
>
> Now I find out, many, many years later, that the visions of the
> pieces I had in my head in several cases were influenced by
splendid
> performances, and I can't seem to find them again.
>
> This also happened to the Berlioz _Damnation of Faust_ which I
> learned from a splendid recording, and I can never find its equal.
>
> If I knew what I know now, I would have remembered the performances
> for sure!
>
> Joseph

maybe the "visions" of the pieces you had in your head were created
partially in your head from the score?

this was the case for me with the beatles song _here, there, and
everywhere_. i had heard *some* beatles songs, and i had the sheet
music for this one, so i imagined it a certain way. when i finally
heard the actual recording, i was very disappointed, the beatles'
rendition was so wimpy!

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>

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wrote:
> >
>
> I have actually been quite surprised at how well Daniel Barenboim
conducts igor. his Sym of Psalms actually has
> brought me to tears.
> Boelez does a good sym for winds instruments. Igor could bring a
unique view to his work though

***Sure. The tempos are enlightening. I'm sure they are what he
meant. Whether he really wanted the balance as rough as that, or
whether he just didn't know *how* to balance (or didn't really care)
is another matter. It's had to judge when the *first* recordings I
learned and was used to were by somebody else...

J. Pehrson

🔗kraig grady <kraiggrady@...>

Very often a piece will get better with age too since more people conduct it and others can here what they do.

Joseph Pehrson wrote:

>
>
> ***Sure. The tempos are enlightening. I'm sure they are what he
> meant. Whether he really wanted the balance as rough as that, or
> whether he just didn't know *how* to balance (or didn't really care)
> is another matter. It's had to judge when the *first* recordings I
> learned and was used to were by somebody else...
>
> J. Pehrson
>

-- -Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST