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David Beardsley wrote:

>It looks like you have your html turned off
>in your email reader. 'cuz these messages look
>fine on my screen.

I'm using Eudora Light and as far as I know it has no html capability.

John Link

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I'm new on this list, and frankly, am surprised that the list allows html
at all. None of the other dozen or so lists I am or have subscribed to
does. In my opinion, it is truly an imposition on those not set up to
receive it, and really can wreak havoc on archives and digests.

John Thaden

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, John Thaden wrote:

> I'm new on this list, and frankly, am surprised that the list allows html
> at all. None of the other dozen or so lists I am or have subscribed to
> does. ...

You need to go back to the website and recheck your options on the tuning
list home page. I don't get any html -- I have a text-only account and
when they installed the option to allow html they figured that out
automatically; but there is someplace to check.

Judy

Does anybody know how to post music and printed music on a website? For
instance, I have some Finale files which I've turned into jpg files
using Photoshop, but then when I get it to my website a place holder
exists but the picture file doesn't open. Do you actually need
specialized software to get the music posted?

Rick,

Finally: a chance to help *you* out (you know, besides you giving me
some recent pointers on the TX-802 purchase, I also cut my multi-
percussion teeth, in part, on "Inspirations Diabolique"!)

--- In tuning@y..., Rick Tagawa <ricktagawa@e...> wrote:
> Does anybody know how to post music and printed music on a website?

Yes.

> For instance, I have some Finale files which I've turned into jpg
> files using Photoshop, but then when I get it to my website a place
> holder exists but the picture file doesn't open.

There could be very many reasons this wouldn't happen, but the most
logical is that the file is not in the proper directory, i.e. the
path to the image in the <img..> tag is not correct.

In all cases like this (web design) it would be great to have a url
of a page that isn't working and I can look at the source code. Later
tonight when I get home, that is...

Also, when posting .jpg graphics from something like Photoshop and
with the detail of a music score, you may end up with some seriously
large files, so you want to investigate optimizing the files. The
latest versions of PShop include some tools for this, and there are
standalone tools and plugins that do it as well. But....

Finale offers a file format, and it may be called Scorch (if that
isn't the name, it's the name of the one for Sibelius scores). Look
to their website. The cool thing is that you put the score up in this
format, the end user downloads a plugin, and then they can actually
play the score example in their browser much the way you have midi
playback in Finale.

OTOH, I have a sneaky suspicion you aren't writing standard 12-tET
stuff, and if you have custom graphics and such I have no idea if
this would work at all.

Feel free to write me off-list later, or if you feel it is gemain to
the list as a whole we can continue it here or at metatuning.

Cheers,
Jon

On 6/28/01 6:50 PM, "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@ADNC.COM> wrote:

>> For instance, I have some Finale files which I've turned into jpg
>> files using Photoshop, but then when I get it to my website a place
>> holder exists but the picture file doesn't open.
>
> There could be very many reasons this wouldn't happen, but the most
> logical is that the file is not in the proper directory, i.e. the
> path to the image in the <img..> tag is not correct.

Actually the most *common* reason it won't upload is if you're letting
Photoshop create a preview, the web doesn't like that.

I might recommend Adobe Acrobat. Especially if you might want to make
multipage sheet music; being able to create .PDF files is invaluable.

Marc

Marc,

--- In tuning@y..., "Orphon Soul, Inc." <tuning@o...> wrote:
> I might recommend Adobe Acrobat. Especially if you might want to
> make multipage sheet music; being able to create .PDF files is
> invaluable.

For pages of music that you want to both look at and print, I
completely second your suggestion, with the only caveat being file
size, but if pages of music are needed then there isn't much way
around that.

I once found a deal that Adobe had where they gave away for free a
plug-in to MS Word that would generate pdf files. I've used that ever
since, but someday would like to get the full Acrobat. So many tools,
so little time...

Cheers,
Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: Orphon Soul, Inc. <tuning@orphonsoul.com>

> I might recommend Adobe Acrobat. Especially if you might want to make
> multipage sheet music; being able to create .PDF files is invaluable.

Microsoft Word can create PDF files. Make high rez graphic files
and read them into Word to create the PDZ file.

David Beardsley

On 6/28/01 7:56 PM, "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@ADNC.COM> wrote:

> I once found a deal that Adobe had where they gave away for free a
> plug-in to MS Word that would generate pdf files. I've used that ever
> since, but someday would like to get the full Acrobat. So many tools,
> so little time...

Tools, yes. Besides being able to drag and drop a lot of documents (like
QUARK) and have them converted into PDFs, the actual bookmarking and
footnoting commands and menus and tools are massive.

--- In tuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_9520.html#25776
>
> Finale offers a file format, and it may be called Scorch (if that
> isn't the name, it's the name of the one for Sibelius scores). Look
> to their website. The cool thing is that you put the score up in
this format, the end user downloads a plugin, and then they can
actually play the score example in their browser much the way you
have midi playback in Finale.

Actually, that's the SIBELIUS program... I believe that Finale has
something similar to "Scorch" but I am not certain...

Sounds like it could be something to investigate. My friend Bill
Holab, here in New York one of the premier engravers in the _world_
(no exaggeration!) says that Sibelius is the best notation program to
come along, even better than SCORE, which is what the publishers USED
to use!

>
> OTOH, I have a sneaky suspicion you aren't writing standard 12-tET
> stuff, and if you have custom graphics and such I have no idea if
> this would work at all.
>

Holab tells me that Sibelius will support *all* Windows fonts. That
means that Ted Mook's Postscript fonts of 72-tET would work as well
as ANY font that one could design oneself.

So all one would have to do is get a font-creation program...In
Bill's words: "Fontographer, Illustrator, or CorelDRAW will let you
create Type 1 PostScript fonts. Every time I need a new symbol, I add
it to the font under a different letter."

So that means any microtonal symbols could be created for Sibelius
that way...

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Joe,

--- In tuning@y..., jpehrson@r... wrote:
> Actually, that's the SIBELIUS program... I believe that Finale has
> something similar to "Scorch" but I am not certain...

I knew it was one or the other.

> Holab tells me that Sibelius will support *all* Windows fonts.

I guess my point was not that either scoring program would have a
problem *displaying* some alternate characters; what I was referring
to is that these plug-in formats for Finale/Sibelius make the score
on a web page *active*, and by using standard play controls the music
will play on a sound card or midi system -- BUT! -- I can't imagine
how a notation that would be used (like Johnston or Maneri or
whatever) would be able to communicate the alterations in pitch.
Simply put, I'll bet the plug-ins only handle 12-tET _sound_output_,
even if they might display something more 'exotic'. Just a hunch.

> So that means any microtonal symbols could be created for Sibelius
> that way...

Sure, just not necessarily *played* back correctly.

Cheers,
Jon

--- In tuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_9520.html#25804

> Joe,
>
> --- In tuning@y..., jpehrson@r... wrote:
> > Actually, that's the SIBELIUS program... I believe that Finale
has
> > something similar to "Scorch" but I am not certain...
>
> I knew it was one or the other.
>
> > Holab tells me that Sibelius will support *all* Windows fonts.
>
> I guess my point was not that either scoring program would have a
> problem *displaying* some alternate characters; what I was
referring
> to is that these plug-in formats for Finale/Sibelius make the score
> on a web page *active*, and by using standard play controls the
music
> will play on a sound card or midi system -- BUT! -- I can't imagine
> how a notation that would be used (like Johnston or Maneri or
> whatever) would be able to communicate the alterations in pitch.
> Simply put, I'll bet the plug-ins only handle 12-tET
_sound_output_,
> even if they might display something more 'exotic'. Just a hunch.
>
> > So that means any microtonal symbols could be created for
Sibelius
> > that way...
>
> Sure, just not necessarily *played* back correctly.
>

I'm not sure, Jon.... It may be better than you think. In the demo
of "Scorch" that *I* saw, the symbols were accompanied with pitch
bend numbers above the staff. The pitch bend numbers could be
altered, so the playback would be microtonally accurate if one had
the right pitch bend in there...

I can't absolutely verify that it would be accurate for microtonal
music, since I have not yet worked with it myself, but that's what it
looked like...

best,

________ _______ _______
Joseph Pehrson

jpehrson@rcn.com wrote:

My friend Bill Holab, here in New York one of the premier engravers in the _world_

> (no exaggeration!) says that Sibelius is the best notation program to
> come along, even better than SCORE, which is what the publishers USED
> to use!
>
> Joseph Pehrson

Sibelius is excellent (I use it for everything) and can be used for microtonal scoring though
you'll have problems with playback in non-12 temperaments without all sorts of fancy programming.
The Scorch plug-in is a good way of exchanging work.

Best Wishes.

--- In tuning@y..., Alison Monteith <alison.monteith3@w...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_9520.html#25818

>

> Sibelius is excellent (I use it for everything) and can be used for
microtonal scoring though
> you'll have problems with playback in non-12 temperaments without
all sorts of fancy programming.
> The Scorch plug-in is a good way of exchanging work.
>
> Best Wishes.

Hi Allison!

I do believe the significant point, though is that, with the
requisite study and application it *can* be done! And, it seemed to
me it had less to do with "programming" per se, than knowing how and
where to apply pitch bends in the program... but this was only from
the demo I saw...

Thanks!

________ ________ ____
Joseph Pehrson