Listening to Motu Ethno2 microtonal competition's demos

Hello!

If you dont'know about this microtonal competition, have a look here: /tuning/topicId_87409.html#87409
...
Yet i opened a "BooMP3" account so that everyone can have an ear on theese demos. Here it is:
http://boomp3.com/user/22we1tyuwef

You're welcome

François

(I plan to publish informations and commentaries as well, but need some more time...)

Is this an official contest site?

I have a few more entries than the one you have up there (
motu-flute-guitar-appalachian<http://boomp3.com/mp3/kt0016q9q2g-motu-flute-guitar-appalachian>)

Also that particular piece was revised. Not sure if you have the latest
version.

Chris

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:28 AM, François <francois_bzh@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hello!
>
> If you dont'know about this microtonal competition, have a look here:
> /tuning/topicId_87409.html#87409
> ...
> Yet i opened a "BooMP3" account so that everyone can have an ear on theese
> demos. Here it is:
> http://boomp3.com/user/22we1tyuwef
>
> You're welcome
>
> François
>
> (I plan to publish informations and commentaries as well, but need some
> more time...)
>
>
>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, François <francois_bzh@...> wrote:

> Yet i opened a "BooMP3" account so that everyone can have an ear on theese demos. Here it is:
> http://boomp3.com/user/22we1tyuwef

Thanks. Putting them somewhere which allowed downloads would be better, however.

Which I can certainly do at my website www.notonlymusic.com

With presentation, download and on line play.

Chris

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:48 PM, genewardsmith
<genewardsmith@...>wrote:

>
>
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com <tuning%40yahoogroups.com>, François
> <francois_bzh@...> wrote:
>
> > Yet i opened a "BooMP3" account so that everyone can have an ear on
> theese demos. Here it is:
> > http://boomp3.com/user/22we1tyuwef
>
> Thanks. Putting them somewhere which allowed downloads would be better,
> however.
>
>
>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks. Putting them somewhere which allowed downloads would be better, however.
>

You can do it here:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7648775/index.html
and there you can also listen to them, but not "on the fly"; that means they have first to be downloaded. That's why i synchronized them with Boomp3...

François

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> Is this an official contest site?

Hello Chris!
I opened a DropBox so that each candidate can send his demos and informations
about them. Then i discovered that this dropbox can be synchronized with Boomp3 which allows everyone to listen to every demos inside the dropbox; and i published this adress on the T.L. (http://boomp3.com/user/22we1tyuwef)
Then i found a way for the dropbox to be accessible (read & download only) to everybody, without inscription. Here is the adress to access it:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7648775/index.html
... ...
So is the story. But there's no official site.
>
> I have a few more entries than the one you have up there (
>
motu-flute-guitar-appalachian<http://boomp3.com/mp3/kt0016q9q2g-motu-flute-guita\
r-appalachian>)
>
> Also that particular piece was revised. Not sure if you have the latest
> version.

I don't know... And about the others issues, i wish you could put them in the dropbox, with informations about the tunings you use. And if you do so, they will be acccessible to everyone... Do you have the codes to write in this dropbox? I can give them to you (not on line, though!) Just ask in my email box..

On the other hand, if you want to publish the demos on your site, you're welcome!

François

Chris wrote :

> Is this an official contest site ?

This is an "official" Ethno2 microtonal demo site if you want to call
it like that.
The AEH allows you to make your own official Ethno2 microtonal demo
site too, if you think it should be improved.
Francois, who is himself participant, did it because most of the
participants had no idea how to exchange their works, like you do
very well yourself with your own site.
Now you are able to hear ALL participants, and it's quite interesting
and pleasant to hear the diversity of all these works.
MOTU was asked to open a spot for these exchanges by the Ethno2
developpers who said to me they "hoped to have a positive answer",
but I am still waiting.
So at the moment I encourage all participants to upload their mp3 to
François's Boomp3, along, if you want, with a simple text file named
by your name such as "Chris Vaisvil.txt", indicating titles with
tunings and lines of presentation of each demo.
We can even imagine later a vote from the TL members, just for fun,
like the rest of it !

> I have a few more entries than the one you have up there (
> motu-flute-guitar-appalachian<http://boomp3.com/mp3/kt0016q9q2g-
> motu-flute-guitar-appalachian>)
>
> Also that particular piece was revised. Not sure if you have the
> latest
> version.

What I sent to Francois's site was just one piece by each composer, 7
of them, who sent at least one demo.
Everyone can complete now.
According to my records, that was the last version.
But the "title" appears to be the name of the file... so it's better
now if people send files that have more real titles, with eventually
a number if there are several versions.
Cheers !
- - - - - - - -
Jacques

> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:28 AM, François <francois_bzh@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello!
> >
> > If you dont'know about this microtonal competition, have a look
> here:
> > /tuning/topicId_87409.html#87409

actually the definitive rules and last infos are in :
/tuning/topicId_87883.html#87883

> > Yet i opened a "BooMP3" account so that everyone can have an ear
> on theese
> > demos. Here it is:
> > http://boomp3.com/user/22we1tyuwef
> >
> > You're welcome
> >
> > François

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Jacques Dudon <fotosonix@...> wrote:
>

> ... So at the moment I encourage all participants to upload their mp3 to
> François's Boomp3, along, if you want, with a simple text file named
> by your name such as "Chris Vaisvil.txt", indicating titles with
> tunings and lines of presentation of each demo...

Ok, Jak...
But the real place to upload everything (mp3 and texts) is in the DROPBOX, where each participant has his own folder to upload his mp3s and informations about them. I'll send to day to all participants (in their own mailbox) the way to do it, which is very simple. .
The "Boomp3" (http://boomp3.com/user/22we1tyuwef) is just a kind of extension of the dropbox, which allows to listen "on the fly" to all mp3s inside the dropbox. And to download them (and text-informations), the address is: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7648775/index.html
:)
François

Hello Francois,

Could I ask you to update the boombox file listing?  I uploaded all of
my demonstration pieces to dropbox.

Thanks,

Chris Vaisvil

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:28 AM, François <francois_bzh@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello!
>
> If you dont'know about this microtonal competition, have a look here: /tuning/topicId_87409.html#87409
> ...
> Yet i opened a "BooMP3" account so that everyone can have an ear on theese demos. Here it is:
> http://boomp3.com/user/22we1tyuwef
>
> You're welcome
>
> François
>

Hello Chris...

I wasn't connected this week-end, so i just updated the boombox files listing yet... and listened to your demos.. Waoh! Good music!!

I've seen you gave addresses to download from your site. I think it would be better to have the text file in pdf format, to have direct links (to clic on). I can do it, if you want.

But it is also possible to download all the mp3s uploaded in the dropbox dedicated to the AEH Ethno2 competition (already 27 issues!) from this address:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7648775/index.html

Thanks to you,

François

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Francois,
>
> Could I ask you to update the boombox file listing?  I uploaded all of
> my demonstration pieces to dropbox.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris Vaisvil
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:28 AM, François <francois_bzh@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > If you dont'know about this microtonal competition, have a look here: /tuning/topicId_87409.html#87409
> > ...
> > Yet i opened a "BooMP3" account so that everyone can have an ear on theese demos. Here it is:
> > http://boomp3.com/user/22we1tyuwef
> >
> > You're welcome
> >
> > François
> >
>

To my ears these are some of the most horrible demos ever made :)
With the exception of D. Granclement his demos.

How can people expect to make great microtonal music when it's clearly
audible they couldn't even make anywhere near proper 12tet demos.
In my opinion the music makers here would be better served if they put focus
on music production skills first before trying to make microtonal music...

Marcel,

I was wondering where you were lurking.

Please produce an original composition of impeccable production to
give us a clue as to what good music really is.

Your murdered versions of classical music from the past doesn't count
because composers like Bach and Beethoven lack the enlightenment of
the great Mind of Marcel.

Have a good day,

Chris

On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Marcel de Velde <m.develde@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> To my ears these are some of the most horrible demos ever made :)
> With the exception of D. Granclement his demos.
>
> How can people expect to make great microtonal music when it's clearly audible they couldn't even make anywhere near proper 12tet demos.
> In my opinion the music makers here would be better served if they put focus on music production skills first before trying to make microtonal music...
>

> Please produce an original composition of impeccable production to
> give us a clue as to what good music really is.
>

I would've loved to do so but even after practically begging Jacques
apparently didn't want to send me a version...
As for my own music (not demos) it's not ready yet (though I do now have the
greatest JI computer music algorythms ever)

You know what I think the problem is with many of the demos.
The people making them don't have proper studio monitors in a treated room?
But let me give a tip, with small (vintage?) Apple Speakers model m6082
which are used in many studios and cost next to nothing on ebay, and a
proper DAC you'll have an idea of how the mix will translate to other
peoples systems no matter what they are.
If you use home hifi speakers in a nontreated room etc or headphones etc
your music may sound good on your speakers in your room but trust me it
sounds like amatueristic crap on my system and most others...

On 21 June 2010 03:25, Marcel de Velde <m.develde@...> wrote:

>
> Please produce an original composition of impeccable production to
>> give us a clue as to what good music really is.
>>
>
> I would've loved to do so but even after practically begging Jacques
> apparently didn't want to send me a version...
> As for my own music (not demos) it's not ready yet (though I do now have
> the greatest JI computer music algorythms ever)
>

Have you not already blocked this wiseacre of a musical tuning horror?
How grisly it is to encounter such codswallop again in the quote
section.

Oz.

✩ ✩ ✩
www.ozanyarman.com

On Jun 21, 2010, at 4:18 AM, Chris Vaisvil wrote:

> Marcel,
>
> I was wondering where you were lurking.
>
> Please produce an original composition of impeccable production to
> give us a clue as to what good music really is.
>
> Your murdered versions of classical music from the past doesn't count
> because composers like Bach and Beethoven lack the enlightenment of
> the great Mind of Marcel.
>
> Have a good day,
>
> Chris
>
> On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Marcel de Velde
> <m.develde@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> To my ears these are some of the most horrible demos ever made :)
>> With the exception of D. Granclement his demos.
>>
>> How can people expect to make great microtonal music when it's
>> clearly audible they couldn't even make anywhere near proper 12tet
>> demos.
>> In my opinion the music makers here would be better served if they
>> put focus on music production skills first before trying to make
>> microtonal music...
>>
>

But Marcel....

Who in your audience will use such a set up?

What happens if you make music perfect on such a set up and they
listen to your composition in a car with crappy speakers?

On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Marcel de Velde <m.develde@...> wrote:

>
>
> On 21 June 2010 03:25, Marcel de Velde <m.develde@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Please produce an original composition of impeccable production to
>>> give us a clue as to what good music really is.
>>
>> I would've loved to do so but even after practically begging Jacques apparently didn't want to send me a version...
>> As for my own music (not demos) it's not ready yet (though I do now have the greatest JI computer music algorythms ever)
>

I'm glad your ego hasn't diminished since the last time you posted.

Hi Chris,

But Marcel....
>
> Who in your audience will use such a set up?
>
> What happens if you make music perfect on such a set up and they
> listen to your composition in a car with crappy speakers?
>

Nono.. the point is that there are ways to mix music so it sounds good on
just about ALL systems.
There are certain speakers, like the better nearfield studio monitors and
other specialty monitors which place a magnifying glass on the mids, which
will allow you to make your mix so that it'll sound good everywhere.
That's how all the studios work.
For the mids (most important part of the mix) the most famous monitors used
are the Yamaha NS10M, Auratones, and the little Apple speakers I mentioned
in my previous email.
There are other classics, like ProAc Studio 100, and some small old Tannoys
who's name I forgot.
And for new nearfield fullrange monitors there are things like Klein+Hummel
O300, JBL LSR6328P, Focal Twin, PMC, Event Opal, etc
In just about all studios you'll find a monitor which has strong mids like
NS10M, combined with another nearfield like a PMC, and then also big full
range main monitors. And all this in an acoustically treated room.
There's a reason for this.
Also not only can you set levels and eq correctly, you'll also hear the
dynamics well on these things and can set compressors as needed.
End result is music that sounds good from ipod earbuds to carsystems to homo
hifi systems to elevators etc.

I think the only way I can answer this is:

Marcel why in the world are you wasting everyone's time on the tuning
list instead of being a Eurovision superstar?

On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Marcel de Velde <m.develde@...> wrote:

> Nono.. the point is that there are ways to mix music so it sounds good on just about ALL systems.
> There are certain speakers, like the better nearfield studio monitors and other specialty monitors which place a magnifying glass on the mids, which will allow you to make your mix so that it'll sound good everywhere.

On 21 June 2010 03:51, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

> I think the only way I can answer this is:
>
> Marcel why in the world are you wasting everyone's time on the tuning
> list instead of being a Eurovision superstar?
>
Chris, why do you waste your time making music and then spreading it on the
internet when a lot of it sounds like amateurtistic crap when most people
listen to it on their own systems..

Ah never mind I'm not about to start another flame thing..
I'm not really reading this list anymore anyhow.
It was just one negative comment which was deserved I think, not going into
it any further.
Anybody wants to flame blabla please email me offlist.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Marcel de Velde <m.develde@...> wrote:

> If you use home hifi speakers in a nontreated room etc or headphones etc
> your music may sound good on your speakers in your room but trust me it
> sounds like amatueristic crap on my system and most others...

Then either get good stereo equipment or stop blaming other people for the fact that you own a crap system.

As far as we talk about audio-technical matter, i could understand and even agree what Marcel says. But the "AEH Ethno2 Microtonal competition" is done for microtonal COMPOSERS, and composers are not supposed to be specialized in audio-studio production.
So i propose to ask such a professional to masterized the choosen demos...

François

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Marcel de Velde <m.develde@...> wrote:
>
> To my ears these are some of the most horrible demos ever made :)
> With the exception of D. Granclement his demos.
>
> How can people expect to make great microtonal music when it's clearly
> audible they couldn't even make anywhere near proper 12tet demos.
> In my opinion the music makers here would be better served if they put focus
> on music production skills first before trying to make microtonal music...
>

Well today is the last day isn't it? thanks to Jacques and the whole team for this wonderful opportunity to try a very fine musical software, Ethno2!

The collection as it stands at the moment is really nice, the whole thing worth listening to. The main point was to demonstrate the included microtonal tunings. It's clear that they're excellent, there's a large variety of tunings used, a couple dozen so far, and they're all good.

Some of the included tunings in my opinion are "as good as it gets". I think Jacques' "spicy slendro" and "buzurg" interpretations are flawless musical tunings for example. Obviously you'd need 1,000 microscopically different versions of each to cover every ethnomusicological version so their has to be "generalized" versions that sound authentic, and these do sound that way, as well as being of "oneness" that allows for harmonic exploration as well (I suspect that this is due to differential coherence).

The real standout instruments in Ethno2, in my opinion, are the legato instruments. This has traditionally been an area where synths are far better than samplers, but these legati are great. They take some horsepower, but it's well worth it.

Now I have a lot of catching up to do here, but I'm off to the seaside for a month, so, little chance of internet!

-Cameron Bobro

Codswallop indeed! I don't know what demos he's listening to,
because these are all eminently listenable, and in fact,
constitute one of the most impressive contests/collabs of
microtonal music I've ever heard. Congrats to all contestants!

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> Have you not already blocked this wiseacre of a musical tuning
> horror?
> How grisly it is to encounter such codswallop again in the quote
> section.
>
> Oz.