Beethoven: 5th Symphony, 1st movement, in 1/6-comma meantone

Hello all,

I've made the largest .tonescape Musical Piece file to
date: the entire 1st movement of Beethoven's 5th Symphony.

It's in the Files section of the Tonescape Den Haag
Yahoo group (just over 1 Mb):

/tuning/files/pieces/beethoven_sym5-1_31-tone_1-6cmt.tonescape

I was astonished to find that, once again, Beethoven
limited himself to a 15-tone chain of pitches ... exactly
as i had discovered 2 years ago with some of his late
string quartets:

/tuning/topicId_59650.html#59760

This time, using C as the origin of the Lattice
(the piece is in C-minor), the chain is from -7 to +7
generators, that is, from Cb to C#, a very neat
symmetrical arrangement.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

Hmm ... the old "lead balloon", eh?

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
>
> I've made the largest .tonescape Musical Piece file to
> date: the entire 1st movement of Beethoven's 5th Symphony.
>
> It's in the Files section of the Tonescape Den Haag
> Yahoo group (just over 1 Mb):
>
>
/tuning/files/pieces/beethoven_sym5-1_31-tone_1-6cmt.tonescape
>
>
> I was astonished to find that, once again, Beethoven
> limited himself to a 15-tone chain of pitches ... exactly
> as i had discovered 2 years ago with some of his late
> string quartets:
>
> /tuning/topicId_59650.html#59760
>
> This time, using C as the origin of the Lattice
> (the piece is in C-minor), the chain is from -7 to +7
> generators, that is, from Cb to C#, a very neat
> symmetrical arrangement.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@...> wrote:
>
> Hmm ... the old "lead balloon", eh?

I've got to uninstall the new version of Tonescape first.

I never saw this -- when was it posted?

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@...> wrote:
>
> Hmm ... the old "lead balloon", eh?
>
>
> -monz
> http://tonalsoft.com
> Tonescape microtonal music software
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> >
> > I've made the largest .tonescape Musical Piece file to
> > date: the entire 1st movement of Beethoven's 5th Symphony.
> >
> > It's in the Files section of the Tonescape Den Haag
> > Yahoo group (just over 1 Mb):

Hi Gene,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <genewardsmith@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@> wrote:
> >
> > Hmm ... the old "lead balloon", eh?
>
> I've got to uninstall the new version of Tonescape first.

I know that you're having the same problem i had on my
main computer: we're running Windows 2000, and the new
Den Haag version of Tonescape has a problem with that
... Den Haag only runs under XP and Vista.

To get rid of the Den Haag version, go to "Control Panel"
and select "Add/Remove Programs", wait for the list to
be populated, then look under "T" for Tonescape and click
the remove button.

If you don't have the installer for the older Mustang
version (which will run under Windows 2000), i can put
it on our website for you to download. I still had my
old install file on my computer, so when i re-installed
Mustang, i didn't need to enter the activation code --
it just ran straight off. Hopefully yours will too.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

Hi Carl,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@...> wrote:
>
> I never saw this -- when was it posted?

/tuning/topicId_69940.html#69940

On Wednesday, right in the midst of the 19/15-vs-81/64
listening test discussion.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

> Hi Carl,
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@> wrote:
> >
> > I never saw this -- when was it posted?
>
>
> /tuning/topicId_69940.html#69940
>
> On Wednesday, right in the midst of the 19/15-vs-81/64
> listening test discussion.

I'm blaming yahoo. :) -C.

A couple of things should be noted about the Beethoven 5th
file:

. i posted it as soon as i had entered all the notes,
with their required phrasing (legato, staccato, etc.);
but i have not edited any of the dynamics, so every
note on all instruments is at the default volume --
thus, any variation in dynamics that you may perceive
are purely the result of Beethoven's skill at orchestrating
the changes in volume;

. on a related note, as i notice all the time with
General MIDI -- at least as it's being played on all
the computer software synths i've heard so far -- the
woodwind instruments are *all* much too loud; they
need to be toned down _en masse_ to bring out the
strings more;

. sometimes instruments seem to disappear when they're
supposed to be playing -- i think this has something
to do with the limitation to 16 MIDI channels and the
fact that in a piece this big, with a pitch-bend command
associated with pretty much every note, and pitch-bend
commands affecting every note on a given channel, the
skillful juggling act of putting various notes on various
channels ends up clogging the whole system all the time;

. there are some important tempo changes included, but
those who know my style of making computer music will
note how stiff it still feels, because i will eventually
add loads of _rubato_ by including numerous subtle
changes of tempo.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
>
> I've made the largest .tonescape Musical Piece file to
> date: the entire 1st movement of Beethoven's 5th Symphony.
>
> It's in the Files section of the Tonescape Den Haag
> Yahoo group (just over 1 Mb):
>
>
/tuning/files/pieces/beethoven_sym5-1_31-tone_1-6cmt.tonescape
>
>
> I was astonished to find that, once again, Beethoven
> limited himself to a 15-tone chain of pitches ... exactly
> as i had discovered 2 years ago with some of his late
> string quartets:
>
> /tuning/topicId_59650.html#59760
>
> This time, using C as the origin of the Lattice
> (the piece is in C-minor), the chain is from -7 to +7
> generators, that is, from Cb to C#, a very neat
> symmetrical arrangement.