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>Folks, you might be interested to know that my cousin Derviþ Can Vural
>has uploaded a new composition of his at this address:
>
>http://w3.physics.uiuc.edu/~vural/music.htm
>
>It is called the Nomad's Song, a very enchanting sophomoric work in my
>opinion. He was consigned to his own voice and ney playing for the
>contrapuntal layers in the mix. There is something to be said for his
>affinity to hi-tech polyphonic sound editing.

Ozan,

This new track, like the five others I've downloaded, are
INCREDIBLE! Your cousin is a genius!

-Carl

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@superonline.com>

I'll pass it on Carl, I'm sure he'll be delighted to hear that.

Cordially,
Ozan
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Lumma
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 19 Mart 2005 Cumartesi 1:30
Subject: Re: [tuning] Check this out

>Folks, you might be interested to know that my cousin Derviş Can Vural
>has uploaded a new composition of his at this address:
>
>http://w3.physics.uiuc.edu/~vural/music.htm
>
>It is called the Nomad's Song, a very enchanting sophomoric work in my
>opinion. He was consigned to his own voice and ney playing for the
>contrapuntal layers in the mix. There is something to be said for his
>affinity to hi-tech polyphonic sound editing.

Ozan,

This new track, like the five others I've downloaded, are
INCREDIBLE! Your cousin is a genius!

-Carl

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org>

Thanks, Ozan. I especially liked "Knots and Folds," and
my friend Stephen really liked it too!

-Carl

>>I'll pass it on Carl, I'm sure he'll be delighted to hear that.
>>
>>Cordially,
>>Ozan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Carl Lumma
>To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: 19 Mart 2005 Cumartesi 1:30
>Subject: Re: [tuning] Check this out
>
>>Folks, you might be interested to know that my cousin Derviþ Can Vural
>>has uploaded a new composition of his at this address:
>>
>>http://w3.physics.uiuc.edu/~vural/music.htm
>>
>>It is called the Nomad's Song, a very enchanting sophomoric work in my
>>opinion. He was consigned to his own voice and ney playing for the
>>contrapuntal layers in the mix. There is something to be said for his
>>affinity to hi-tech polyphonic sound editing.
>
>Ozan,
>
>This new track, like the five others I've downloaded, are
>INCREDIBLE! Your cousin is a genius!
>
>-Carl

🔗Jon Szanto <JSZANTO@ADNC.COM>

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@superonline.com>

Right'o Jon. Consider it done.

Sincerely,
Ozan
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Szanto
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 19 Mart 2005 Cumartesi 2:15
Subject: [tuning] Re: Check this out

Ozan,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@s...> wrote:
> I'll pass it on Carl, I'm sure he'll be delighted to hear that.

Add another voice to the mix: this is a wonderful 'family' of music.
It is lovely to hear inspiration and talent in so many varied forms as
he presents. Always a joy to hear this sprit alive in someone, somewhere!

Cheers,
Jon

🔗Daniel A. Wier <dawiertx@sbcglobal.net>

From: Ozan Yarman

> Folks, you might be interested to know that my cousin Derviï¿½ Can Vural has > uploaded a new composition of his at this address:
>
> http://w3.physics.uiuc.edu/~vural/music.htm
>
> It is called the Nomad's Song, a very enchanting sophomoric work in my > opinion. He was consigned to his own voice and ney playing for the > contrapuntal layers in the mix. There is something to be said for his > affinity to hi-tech polyphonic sound editing.

Nice. It reminded me of vocal music from the Caucasus (that's another interest of mine, Georgian polyphony). The ney is always a good addition.

I'm listening to his other mp3s too.

🔗pgreenhaw@nypl.org

Ok -- while I realize this is not the forum for critiquing works, it seems
to me that the door was opened a while ago (i.e. the Pete threads) --

It is becoming very apparent to me the differences between "theorists" and
actual artists/musicians -- and if the idea of not knowing who Lowinsky is
not enough, now I see praises dealt for derivative, phoney kitsch --
seriously, I don't won't to be an asshole here, but this "Nomad's Song" is
so inauthentic --

Enough said

Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org>
03/18/2005 06:30 PM
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Ozan,

This new track, like the five others I've downloaded, are
INCREDIBLE! Your cousin is a genius!

-Carl

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🔗Jon Szanto <JSZANTO@ADNC.COM>

Hey, waitaminute.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, pgreenhaw@n... wrote:
> It is becoming very apparent to me the differences between
"theorists" and
> actual artists/musicians

Well, you're late to that game.

> -- and if the idea of not knowing who Lowinsky is
> not enough

You mentioned that he is a scholar with a particular relationship to
Renaissance music. I have been a professional orchestral percussionist
for 30 years, and it has been a long time since I had my nose in music
history books, as well as never having particularly focussed on the
Ranaissance. Since I've coupled that experience with composition, I
guess I fall into your "actual artist/musician" category (though you
didn't bracket that one with quotes. I have an interest in tuning,
having worked with Harry Partch, who also happens to be an important
figure, but I don't go assuming every single person knows who he is.
If they don't, I don't automatically invalidate their experience.

> now I see praises dealt for derivative, phoney kitsch --
> seriously, I don't won't to be an asshole here, but this "Nomad's
Song" is
> so inauthentic --

Where did is say that it had to be authentic?

> Enough said

Yes, I've got a very clear picture now. I imagine others may as well.
And I hope you'll allow for the variety of human experience in the
future, hmmm?

Cheers,
Jon

🔗pgreenhaw@nypl.org

Hey Jon -- Authenticity is everything -- what is a piece of art if no authentic?
(sidenote -- I also studied percussion in SoCal -- with another Partch-guy, Todd
Miller..... and I used to use Emil's instruments quite often)

-----"Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@ADNC.COM> wrote: -----

To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
From: "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@ADNC.COM>
Date: 03/19/2005 11:56AM
Subject: [tuning] Re: Check this out

> now I see praises dealt for derivative, phoney kitsch --
> seriously, I don't won't to be an asshole here, but this "Nomad's
Song" is
> so inauthentic --

Where did is say that it had to be authentic?

🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

🔗Dave Seidel <dave@superluminal.com>

Wow, that's stunningly arrogant of you. "Authentic" compared to what? Am I missing some secret decoder ring? The composer makes no claims that I can see.

- Dave

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pgreenhaw@nypl.org wrote:
> > > Ok -- while I realize this is not the forum for critiquing works, it > seems to me that the door was opened a while ago (i.e. the Pete threads) --
> > It is becoming very apparent to me the differences between "theorists" > and actual artists/musicians -- and if the idea of not knowing who > Lowinsky is not enough, now I see praises dealt for derivative, phoney > kitsch -- seriously, I don't won't to be an asshole here, but this > "Nomad's Song" is so inauthentic --
> > Enough said

🔗Jon Szanto <JSZANTO@ADNC.COM>

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@superonline.com>

Positive or negative, I'll pass your comments on to him. As for authenticity, I dare not make any hasty remarks, save to remind you that (unlike myself) he is quite uneducated in music in the professional-institutional sense.

Cordially,
Ozan
----- Original Message -----
From: pgreenhaw@nypl.org
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 19 Mart 2005 Cumartesi 18:06
Subject: Re: [tuning] Check this out

Ok -- while I realize this is not the forum for critiquing works, it seems to me that the door was opened a while ago (i.e. the Pete threads) --

It is becoming very apparent to me the differences between "theorists" and actual artists/musicians -- and if the idea of not knowing who Lowinsky is not enough, now I see praises dealt for derivative, phoney kitsch -- seriously, I don't won't to be an asshole here, but this "Nomad's Song" is so inauthentic --

Enough said

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org>

>Authenticity is everything -- what is a piece of art if no
>authentic?

Maybe it is authentic with respect to what he was feeling or
what he wanted to express.

Of course all art is derivative. If the resemblance is very
close, one question is: does the new work honor the original(s)?

One memorable time I answered this question negatively was in
the case of the Grateful Dead attempting spirituals and other
old music in the original style (they more often played music
only loosely based on the old styles).

As for Lowinsky or whatever his name is -- I think you'll find
that idolatry won't get you very far on this list.

-Carl

🔗pgreenhaw@nypl.org

__________________________________________

>Authenticity is everything -- what is a piece of art if no
>authentic?

-Maybe it is authentic with respect to what he was feeling or
-what he wanted to express.

Ok man..... whatever you say -- those piece speak for themselves (and this
composer doesn't have the control and/or technique to make the music
express what he wants anyway)

-As for Lowinsky or whatever his name is -- I think you'll find
-that idolatry won't get you very far on this list.

Idolatry?!?! Where'd that come from??? Sorry I was a bit shocked that on
music related list, someone might not know "whatever-his-name-is" --
...... fucking whanker

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🔗monz <monz@tonalsoft.com>

hi Paul,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, pgreenhaw@n... wrote:

/tuning/topicId_57605.html#57721

> -As for Lowinsky or whatever his name is -- I think
> -you'll find that idolatry won't get you very far on
> -this list.
>
>
> Idolatry?!?! Where'd that come from??? Sorry I was a
> bit shocked that on music related list, someone might
> not know "whatever-his-name-is" -- ...... fucking whanker

i'd guess that the majority of people on this list
didn't know who Lowinsky is ... people here are interested
in different tunings, but not necessarily in the standard
academic music theory. and there's no reason to assume
that most people on this list would be interested in
theoretical literature concerning Renaissance music.

it's always a good idea, when citing a published author,
to provide a full citation to the work being cited.
that's how it's done in academic publications, and there's
no reason not to do it that way here.

and it's a real bad idea to append "fucking whanker"
in a response to someone ... inflammatory language only
serves to start flame wars, and we've had more than enough
of those here over the years, and those of us who've been
here that long don't want any more, especially from
someone who's just started posting.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@superonline.com>

I protest this uncourteous show of execration with all my strenght.
----- Original Message -----
From: monz
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 24 Mart 2005 Perşembe 19:18
Subject: [tuning] Re: Check this out

hi Paul,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, pgreenhaw@n... wrote:

/tuning/topicId_57605.html#57721

🔗Jon Szanto <JSZANTO@ADNC.COM>

Paul,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, pgreenhaw@n... wrote:
> Sorry I was a bit shocked that on
> music related list, someone might not know "whatever-his-name-is" --

I did a quick search on the man, and he appears to have been primarily
known for Renaissance scholaticism. Two degrees and 3 decades of
professional performance pretty much gives me pass to be on a "music
related list", but it has frankly been a long time since I have dealt
with Renaissance music, save to listen. One can't expect people like
me (or any other 'someone') to be aware of every corner of the vast
musical world.

> ...... fucking whanker

Correct spelling is "wanker". And I think it was uncalled for in this
instance.

Cheers,
Jon

🔗Dave Seidel <dave@superluminal.com>

Your positions might be more compelling if you didn't go out of your way to antagonize people with pointless insults. If I was this list's admin, you would already be on moderation.

Contributions of substance, as opposed to vitriol and/or provocation, would be welcome. As someone else asked you in an earlier message, do you have some music of your own that you'd care to tell us about?

- Dave

pgreenhaw@nypl.org wrote:
> > Ok man..... whatever you say -- those piece speak for themselves (and > this composer doesn't have the control and/or technique to make the > music express what he wants anyway)
> > > -As for Lowinsky or whatever his name is -- I think you'll find
> -that idolatry won't get you very far on this list.
> > > Idolatry?!?! Where'd that come from??? Sorry I was a bit shocked that > on music related list, someone might not know "whatever-his-name-is" -- > ...... fucking whanker

🔗monz <monz@tonalsoft.com>

hi Ozan,

i wish you had copied that quote more carefully, because
the way you posted it, it makes it look like i'm the one
who responded with the "uncourteous show of execration".
it was Paul Greenhaw.

-monz
htp://tonalsoft.com

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@s...> wrote:
> I protest this uncourteous show of execration with all my strenght.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: monz
> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 24 Mart 2005 Perþembe 19:18
> Subject: [tuning] Re: Check this out
>
>
>
> hi Paul,
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, pgreenhaw@n... wrote:
>
> /tuning/topicId_57605.html#57721
>
> > -As for Lowinsky or whatever his name is -- I think
> > -you'll find that idolatry won't get you very far on
> > -this list.
> >
> >
> > Idolatry?!?! Where'd that come from??? Sorry I was a
> > bit shocked that on music related list, someone might
> > not know "whatever-his-name-is" -- ...... fucking whanker

🔗monz <monz@tonalsoft.com>

hi Paul (and Dave),

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Dave Seidel <dave@s...> wrote:

> Your positions might be more compelling if you didn't go
> out of your way to antagonize people with pointless insults.
> If I was this list's admin, you would already be on
> moderation.
>
> Contributions of substance, as opposed to vitriol and/or
> provocation, would be welcome. As someone else asked you
> in an earlier message, do you have some music of your own
> that you'd care to tell us about?

for that matter, do you have any music *theory* of your
own that you can share with us? i'd be happy to read that.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com

🔗Dave Seidel <dave@superluminal.com>

Not to worry, Monz! We all know that you are no troll.

- Dave

monz wrote:
> > hi Ozan,
> > > i wish you had copied that quote more carefully, because
> the way you posted it, it makes it look like i'm the one
> who responded with the "uncourteous show of execration".
> it was Paul Greenhaw.
> > > -monz
> htp://tonalsoft.com
> > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@s...> wrote:
> >>I protest this uncourteous show of execration with all my strenght.
>> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: monz >> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: 24 Mart 2005 Perï¿½embe 19:18 >> Subject: [tuning] Re: Check this out
>>
>>
>>
>> hi Paul,
>>
>>
>> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, pgreenhaw@n... wrote:
>>
>> /tuning/topicId_57605.html#57721
>>
>> > -As for Lowinsky or whatever his name is -- I think
>> > -you'll find that idolatry won't get you very far on
>> > -this list.
>> > >> > >> > Idolatry?!?! Where'd that come from??? Sorry I was a
>> > bit shocked that on music related list, someone might
>> > not know "whatever-his-name-is" -- ...... fucking whanker
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🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@superonline.com>

Monz, I would not dare accuse you of uncourteous show of execration. I apologize for that carelessness. I should have been more careful.

So once more, I protest Paul Greenhaw's uncourteous show of execration with all my strenght. So there.

Cordially,
Ozan

----- Original Message -----
From: monz
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 24 Mart 2005 Perşembe 20:07
Subject: [tuning] Re: Check this out

hi Ozan,

i wish you had copied that quote more carefully, because
the way you posted it, it makes it look like i'm the one
who responded with the "uncourteous show of execration".
it was Paul Greenhaw.

-monz
htp://tonalsoft.com

🔗pgreenhaw@nypl.org

It was the accusation of "idolatry" that caused me to fly off the handle
-- it is almost as if right from the start, my mentioning someone named
"LOWINSKY" has caused some friction with Lumma -- I never expected
everyone to know who he is -- but I also never expected to be accused of
idol worship for merely mentioning his name!

I would love to post some mp3s in the future -- I have no webpage as I am
rather Luddite in my methods -- I rather side with Peter Lamborn Wilson on
this whole internet thing..... (I don;t expect evveryone to know who P.L.
Wilson is by the way)

__________________________________________

Dave Seidel <dave@superluminal.com>
03/24/2005 01:07 PM
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Subject: [tuning] Civility (was: Check this out)

Your positions might be more compelling if you didn't go out of your way
to antagonize people with pointless insults. If I was this list's
admin, you would already be on moderation.

Contributions of substance, as opposed to vitriol and/or provocation,
would be welcome. As someone else asked you in an earlier message, do
you have some music of your own that you'd care to tell us about?

- Dave

pgreenhaw@nypl.org wrote:
>
> Ok man..... whatever you say -- those piece speak for themselves (and
> this composer doesn't have the control and/or technique to make the
> music express what he wants anyway)
>
>
> -As for Lowinsky or whatever his name is -- I think you'll find
> -that idolatry won't get you very far on this list.
>
>
> Idolatry?!?! Where'd that come from??? Sorry I was a bit shocked that
> on music related list, someone might not know "whatever-his-name-is" --
> ...... fucking whanker

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🔗David Beardsley <db@biink.com>

pgreenhaw@nypl.org wrote:

>
>
>
> It was the accusation of "idolatry" that caused me to fly off the > handle -- it is almost as if right from the start, my mentioning > someone named "LOWINSKY" has caused some friction with Lumma -- I > never expected everyone to know who he is -- but I also never expected > to be accused of idol worship for merely mentioning his name! >
> I would love to post some mp3s in the future -- I have no webpage as I > am rather Luddite in my methods -- I rather side with Peter Lamborn > Wilson on this whole internet thing..... (I don;t expect evveryone to > know who P.L. Wilson is by the way) Does anybody know who Hakim Bey is?

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🔗monz <monz@tonalsoft.com>

hi Paul,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, pgreenhaw@n... wrote:

> I would love to post some mp3s in the future -- I have
> no webpage as I am rather Luddite in my methods -- I rather
> side with Peter Lamborn Wilson on this whole internet thing
> ..... (I don;t expect evveryone to know who P.L. Wilson
> is by the way)

i don't know who he is ... but anyway, if you'd like to
post an mp3 for all to hear, we have set up another
Yahoo group specifically for the purpose of holding our
files, since the Files section of this list is already full.

/tuning_files/

that one is getting full too ... right now there is about
2 MB of space available. if you have an mp3 smaller than
that, you can put it there, announce it here, and ask
folks to download it so that you can remove it in a day
or so.

-monz

🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, pgreenhaw@n... wrote:

> It was the accusation of "idolatry" that caused me to fly off the
handle
> -- it is almost as if right from the start, my mentioning someone named
> "LOWINSKY" has caused some friction with Lumma -- I never expected
> everyone to know who he is -- but I also never expected to be
accused of
> idol worship for merely mentioning his name!

Carl wanted a cite which said who Lowinsky was, and where he said it.
Personally, I was happy enough with what I got, since it basically
boiled down to saying we can only guess, based on the nature of the
music, how Sumer is Icumen In was sung, but should not assume all
Medieval music was sung in Pythagorean intonation simply because that
was all theorists recognized. It would be interesting to know how far
the idea of deducing tuning practice from compositional practice could
be pushed for this era.

🔗Dave Seidel <dave@superluminal.com>

I'm an old fan of both PLB and Hakim Bey, even if they do seem to share the same corporeal body. :-)

I'll remind Mr. Greenhaw that one of PLB's favorite terms is "conviviality". There's a connection between that and civility.

BTW, my wife's cookbook quotes two interesting recipes from PLB, both reprinted with his permission:

http://superluminal.com/cookbook/beverages_bhang.html
http://superluminal.com/cookbook/pudding_majoun.html

Sorry to go so far off-topic...

- Dave

David Beardsley wrote:
> pgreenhaw@nypl.org wrote:
> > >>I would love to post some mp3s in the future -- I have no webpage as I >>am rather Luddite in my methods -- I rather side with Peter Lamborn >>Wilson on this whole internet thing..... (I don;t expect evveryone to >>know who P.L. Wilson is by the way) > > > Does anybody know who Hakim Bey is?
>

🔗David Beardsley <db@biink.com>

monz wrote:

>hi Paul,
>
>--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, pgreenhaw@n... wrote:
>
> >
>>I would love to post some mp3s in the future -- I have
>>no webpage as I am rather Luddite in my methods -- I rather
>>side with Peter Lamborn Wilson on this whole internet thing
>>..... (I don;t expect evveryone to know who P.L. Wilson
>>is by the way)
>> >>
>
>
>
>i don't know who he is ... >
He's a writer. More at http://google.com

Come on Joe, we know you know how to type.

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🔗Dave Seidel <dave@superluminal.com>

Whoops: PLB => PLW.

- Dave

Dave Seidel wrote:
> I'm an old fan of both PLB and Hakim Bey, even if they do seem to share > the same corporeal body. :-)
> > I'll remind Mr. Greenhaw that one of PLB's favorite terms is > "conviviality". There's a connection between that and civility.
> > BTW, my wife's cookbook quotes two interesting recipes from PLB, both > reprinted with his permission:
> > http://superluminal.com/cookbook/beverages_bhang.html
> http://superluminal.com/cookbook/pudding_majoun.html
> > Sorry to go so far off-topic...
> > - Dave
> > > David Beardsley wrote:
> >>pgreenhaw@nypl.org wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I would love to post some mp3s in the future -- I have no webpage as I >>>am rather Luddite in my methods -- I rather side with Peter Lamborn >>>Wilson on this whole internet thing..... (I don;t expect evveryone to >>>know who P.L. Wilson is by the way) >>
>>
>>Does anybody know who Hakim Bey is?
>>
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🔗monz <monz@tonalsoft.com>

hi Gene,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:

> Carl wanted a cite which said who Lowinsky was, and where
> he said it. Personally, I was happy enough with what I got,
> since it basically boiled down to saying we can only guess,
> based on the nature of the music, how Sumer is Icumen In
> was sung, but should not assume all Medieval music was sung
> in Pythagorean intonation simply because that was all
> theorists recognized. It would be interesting to know how
> far the idea of deducing tuning practice from compositional
> practice could be pushed for this era.

Margo Schulter and i had a correspondence about precisely
this on this list several years ago ... here's my response
to Margo in which i quoted her long post in its entirety:

/tuning/topicId_3380.html#3380

and Margo's follow-up:

/tuning/topicId_3422.html#3422

it's been postulated by Mark Lindley, and accepted by
many tuning theorists here, that beginning in the late 1300s
and continuing for about a century, the substitution of
"enharmonically equivalent" flats for certain sharps in
the standard pythagorean tuning, betrays a desire to
use the skhisma as a unison-vector to bridge from the
3-limit to the 5-limit.

for example, Lindley cites cases of triads spelled
A-Db-E, where the pythagorean Db is only ~2 cents lower
in pitch than the 5/4 ratio C#.

something that i really find interesting is how we can
sometimes speculate on tunings which were actually used
in practice, despite the pythagorean tuning which is
actually stated by the theorist, from some telling
descriptions by that same theorist.

a great example is my firm conviction that Boethius's
exposition on musical notation describes 5-limit practice,
while he states explicitly that the diatonic genus is
tuned in 3-limit pythagorean tuning. i have a detailed
paper about it which i've never published, but the essence
of it is on this webpage:

http://sonic-arts.org:80/monzo/boethius/greek-letter/
boethius_greek_notation.htm

(remove the line-break, or use this:)

http://tinyurl.com/435fc

a later example of deducing tuning practice from compositional
practice is the study of tied enharmonically equivalent notes
in non-keyboard compositions by Mozart and Beethoven, i.e.,
G#--Ab. during their era, it's no big deal to see this in
keyboard music, because keyboards of that time were always
tuned in a 12-tone well-temperament ... but in string quartets
and other orchestral music, it shows that those two composers
were moving away from the meantone paradigm and beginning to
think in terms of 12-edo. it's something that's fairly
common to find in Beethoven scores.

-monz