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It seems now that Sibelius is more pitch-accurate with its included
Native Instruments' "Kontakt Silver" softsynth than it used to be
with the older MIDI implementation. I'm going to find out more how
the softsynth works with pitch bends, but it makes me more inclined
to try to use native Sibelius for microtonality than before. I'll
post more when I have more time and have more of this sorted out...

best to all of you!

Joseph Pehrson

🔗David Beardsley <db@biink.com>

Joseph Pehrson wrote:

>It seems now that Sibelius is more pitch-accurate with its included
>Native Instruments' "Kontakt Silver" softsynth than it used to be
>with the older MIDI implementation. I'm going to find out more how
>the softsynth works with pitch bends, but it makes me more inclined
>to try to use native Sibelius for microtonality than before. I'll
>post more when I have more time and have more of this sorted out...
>
>best to all of you!
>
>Joseph Pehrson
>
> >
Let me know, maybe I should make the upgrade.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@superonline.com>

Sibelius 3 and Finale 2004, although highly advanced in many ways, still fail to incorporate velocity information when you try to input notes from a midi keyboard with touch sensitivity. Encore 4 is as yet the most feasible notator (although the one with the highest number of glitches) in my opinion.

Regards,
Ozan
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From: David Beardsley
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Sent: 26 Ocak 2005 Çarşamba 3:37
Subject: Re: [tuning] Sibelius more pitch-accurate

Joseph Pehrson wrote:

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org>

Keep on truckin', JP!

By the way, Native just announced Kontakt2, which might change things
(hopefully in a good way) for microtonality. Probably Kontakt Silver
will inherit the new code soon...

-Carl

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org>

>Sibelius 3 and Finale 2004, although highly advanced in many ways, still
>fail to incorporate velocity information when you try to input notes from
>a midi keyboard with touch sensitivity.

Really? I always assumed that they recorded velocity.

>Encore 4 is as yet the most feasible notator (although the one with the
>highest number of glitches) in my opinion.

Hello, I'm an Encore user! It's severely limited in many ways, and I
hope to adopt another program. But I don't like Sibelius' workflow.
So I'm thinking Finale might be the way to go...

There is a new program due out in March or April. It's called Notion.

Daniel Wolf has checked out Turandot with respect to microtonality, and
I believe he concluded Finale is better off in this area.

Just random thoughts,

-Carl

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@superonline.com>

Really? I always assumed that they recorded velocity.

I had had asked the Finale technical staff about this, they confessed that it does not record step-time entry velocity information like Encore and promised to implement this feature for the next release.

Hello, I'm an Encore user! It's severely limited in many ways, and I hope to adopt another program. But I don't like Sibelius' workflow. So I'm thinking Finale might be the way to go...

Figures! I should have known better than to write a whole concerto with Encore... I use it more like a sequencer though... I also have Sibelius 3 and Turandot. These two are very attractive too. Turandot has some microtonal symbols in its arsenal that are quite easy to notate. But Finale 2004... I once cursed the entire day trying to figure out how to arrange the key signature using the font characters for my microtonal accidentals. It was like torture!

The best sounds are those that I achieve with my gigasampler program plugged into Robert Walker's Fractal Smithy with DSP2416 as the wavecard (with C-Console Mixer software) and Alesis monitor flat-speakers cranked up to full power. Of course I need to load all 16 channels up to the brim with a sample of Miroslav's Strings to complete the tuning and need another DSP factory to record my music. However, it's well worth the expense, I can assure you.

Cordially,
Ozan

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org>

>>Hello, I'm an Encore user! It's severely limited in many ways, and I
>>hope to adopt another program. But I don't like Sibelius' workflow.
>>So I'm thinking Finale might be the way to go...
>
>Figures! I should have known better than to write a whole concerto with
>Encore... I use it more like a sequencer though... I also have Sibelius 3
>and Turandot. These two are very attractive too. Turandot has some
>microtonal symbols in its arsenal that are quite easy to notate. But
>Finale 2004... I once cursed the entire day trying to figure out how to
>arrange the key signature using the font characters for my microtonal
>accidentals. It was like torture!

I've had this experience with both Finale 2003 and Sibelius 3. Finale
has this reputation, but Sibelius is supposed to be easy to use. But
this was not my experience -- I once cursed a whole afternoon trying to
figure out how to insert tempo changes in Sibelius, and was unsuccessful.
A friend later informed me:

Right-click in an empty area (not on a note)
Text
Metronome mark
Left-click where in the score you want it
Right-click and put in the note
type "=60" or whatever
Escape

You've got to be kidding me!

>The best sounds are those that I achieve with my gigasampler program
>plugged into Robert Walker's Fractal Smithy with DSP2416 as the
>wavecard (with C-Console Mixer software) and Alesis monitor flat-speakers
>cranked up to full power. Of course I need to load all 16 channels up
>to the brim with a sample of Miroslav's Strings to complete the tuning
>and need another DSP factory to record my music. However, it's well
>worth the expense, I can assure you.

Yes, that's a good setup.

-Carl

🔗Jacob <jbarton@rice.edu>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:
> >>Hello, I'm an Encore user! It's severely limited in many ways, and I
> >>hope to adopt another program. But I don't like Sibelius' workflow.
> >>So I'm thinking Finale might be the way to go...
> >
> >Figures! I should have known better than to write a whole concerto with
> >Encore... I use it more like a sequencer though... I also have Sibelius 3
> >and Turandot. These two are very attractive too. Turandot has some
> >microtonal symbols in its arsenal that are quite easy to notate. But
> >Finale 2004... I once cursed the entire day trying to figure out how to
> >arrange the key signature using the font characters for my microtonal
> >accidentals. It was like torture!
>
> I've had this experience with both Finale 2003 and Sibelius 3. Finale
> has this reputation, but Sibelius is supposed to be easy to use. But
> this was not my experience -- I once cursed a whole afternoon trying to
> figure out how to insert tempo changes in Sibelius, and was unsuccessful.
> A friend later informed me:
>
> Right-click in an empty area (not on a note)
> Text
> Metronome mark
> Left-click where in the score you want it
> Right-click and put in the note
> type "=60" or whatever
> Escape
>
> You've got to be kidding me!

Or:

Opt-shift-T (I assume alt-shift-T in windowz)
Left-click where you want it
Cmd-4 (ctl-4?) for quarter note
type "=60" or whatever
Escape

In defense of Sibelius. But I still hate it.

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@rcn.com>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_56795.html#56816
> A friend later informed me:
>
> Right-click in an empty area (not on a note)
> Text
> Metronome mark
> Left-click where in the score you want it
> Right-click and put in the note
> type "=60" or whatever
> Escape
>
> You've got to be kidding me!
>

***This isn't quite right. You can use Ctrl-Alt-T. Simply left
click where you want the change (of course it's not on a note, but
above the staff, where it should be) right click on the note you want
(say quarter) and just type = 60. Takes just a second....

J. Pehrson