Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning Thanks for scale ideas!

To everyone who replied to my tuning lists request,
Thanks for your help. I'm sorting through all of it
and hoping to collect a couple hundred great scales to
choose from.
As for what I'm hoping to do with them all, I have
been working on composing a
53-note-to-the-octave-based oratorio, with musical
settings of ancient and modern poems from around the
world, all celebrating union with the divine. The
music will hopefully be recorded with lots of live
classical and ethnic instruments mixed in with
high-quality sampled instruments. So when I do a vocal
setting of Rumi, for example, I'll look for the kinds
of scales he may have heard during his lifetime. Since
so many of the ancient scales are 3-limit and 5-limit,
the music will be able to jump from ancient Chinese to
Persia to Greece to the Catholic Church to India
pretty easily. Some of the poems I've found don't come
from these major civilizations, and so I also want to
approximate some ethnic scales (which 53-EQ can do
fairly well, if only because the octave has so many
divisions). The music won't sound ancient or
histrically authentic, because I'll be modulating
around in ways the ancients would not have done (when
the scale allows for such things). I get bored by
heavily dronal traditional music, even though I love
the beautiful harmonics they elicit. So I'm going to
try to have my cake and eat it too.
I'm also grateful for the warnings to not get lost in
the process. I expect this whole project will take ten
years, however, so collecting a couple hundred scales
for the next two or three months shouldn't
significantly hinder me. Johnny Reinhard would prefer
I compose faster so I could get his musicians working
on a recording, but my opera, From The Realm Of The
Shadow, took twenty years--so I'm hoping to pick up
the pace here! ("Shadow" is available on Naxos
Records, by the way, was recorded with the National
Symphony and Chorus of the Ukraine, and does have my
first microtonal piece on it- a 19-ET "Monkey Dance").
Thanks again,
Chris Mohr

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🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@superonline.com>

Dear Chris, if you are truly into such a colossal project, let me be the first one to congratulate and applaud you. As for "Rumi scales", I recommend that you sample some of the mevlevi rites from Turkey, especially the Bayati Mevlevi Rite by Derwish Koucheck Mustafa Dede if you have not done so already.

All the best,
Ozan Yarman
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From: Chris Mohr
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Sent: 08 Kasım 2004 Pazartesi 16:39
Subject: [tuning] Thanks for scale ideas!

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🔗Chris Mohr <fromtherealmoftheshadow@yahoo.com>

Thanks Ozan,
I'll look it up now... and no, I'm not familiar with
the Mevlevi Rite, though I may have heard it at
various dervish performances I've attended in Boulder
COlorado over the years.
All my best,
Chris Mohr

--- Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@superonline.com> wrote:

> Dear Chris, if you are truly into such a colossal
> project, let me be the first one to congratulate and
> applaud you. As for "Rumi scales", I recommend that
> you sample some of the mevlevi rites from Turkey,
> especially the Bayati Mevlevi Rite by Derwish
> Koucheck Mustafa Dede if you have not done so
> already.
>
> All the best,
> Ozan Yarman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Mohr
> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 08 Kas�m 2004 Pazartesi 16:39
> Subject: [tuning] Thanks for scale ideas!
>
>
> To everyone who replied to my tuning lists
> request,
> Thanks for your help. I'm sorting through all of
> it
> and hoping to collect a couple hundred great
> scales to
> choose from.
> As for what I'm hoping to do with them all, I have
> been working on composing a
> 53-note-to-the-octave-based oratorio, with musical
> settings of ancient and modern poems from around
> the
> world, all celebrating union with the divine. The
> music will hopefully be recorded with lots of live
> classical and ethnic instruments mixed in with
> high-quality sampled instruments. So when I do a
> vocal
> setting of Rumi, for example, I'll look for the
> kinds
> of scales he may have heard during his lifetime.
> Since
> so many of the ancient scales are 3-limit and
> 5-limit,
> the music will be able to jump from ancient
> Chinese to
> Persia to Greece to the Catholic Church to India
> pretty easily. Some of the poems I've found don't
> come
> from these major civilizations, and so I also want
> to
> approximate some ethnic scales (which 53-EQ can do
> fairly well, if only because the octave has so
> many
> divisions). The music won't sound ancient or
> histrically authentic, because I'll be modulating
> around in ways the ancients would not have done
> (when
> the scale allows for such things). I get bored by
> heavily dronal traditional music, even though I
> love
> the beautiful harmonics they elicit. So I'm going
> to
> try to have my cake and eat it too.
> I'm also grateful for the warnings to not get lost
> in
> the process. I expect this whole project will take
> ten
> years, however, so collecting a couple hundred
> scales
> for the next two or three months shouldn't
> significantly hinder me. Johnny Reinhard would
> prefer
> I compose faster so I could get his musicians
> working
> on a recording, but my opera, From The Realm Of
> The
> Shadow, took twenty years--so I'm hoping to pick
> up
> the pace here! ("Shadow" is available on Naxos
> Records, by the way, was recorded with the
> National
> Symphony and Chorus of the Ukraine, and does have
> my
> first microtonal piece on it- a 19-ET "Monkey
> Dance").
> Thanks again,
> Chris Mohr
>
>
>
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🔗Chris Mohr <fromtherealmoftheshadow@yahoo.com>

Ozan,
I went to Amazon.com and can't find an excat match for
your recommendation. Can you send me a specific
recommendation (record name etc?) Thanks again,
Chris

--- Chris Mohr <fromtherealmoftheshadow@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
> Thanks Ozan,
> I'll look it up now... and no, I'm not familiar with
> the Mevlevi Rite, though I may have heard it at
> various dervish performances I've attended in
> Boulder
> COlorado over the years.
> All my best,
> Chris Mohr
>
> --- Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@superonline.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Chris, if you are truly into such a colossal
> > project, let me be the first one to congratulate
> and
> > applaud you. As for "Rumi scales", I recommend
> that
> > you sample some of the mevlevi rites from Turkey,
> > especially the Bayati Mevlevi Rite by Derwish
> > Koucheck Mustafa Dede if you have not done so
> > already.
> >
> > All the best,
> > Ozan Yarman
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chris Mohr
> > To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: 08 Kas�m 2004 Pazartesi 16:39
> > Subject: [tuning] Thanks for scale ideas!
> >
> >
> > To everyone who replied to my tuning lists
> > request,
> > Thanks for your help. I'm sorting through all of
> > it
> > and hoping to collect a couple hundred great
> > scales to
> > choose from.
> > As for what I'm hoping to do with them all, I
> have
> > been working on composing a
> > 53-note-to-the-octave-based oratorio, with
> musical
> > settings of ancient and modern poems from around
> > the
> > world, all celebrating union with the divine.
> The
> > music will hopefully be recorded with lots of
> live
> > classical and ethnic instruments mixed in with
> > high-quality sampled instruments. So when I do a
> > vocal
> > setting of Rumi, for example, I'll look for the
> > kinds
> > of scales he may have heard during his lifetime.
> > Since
> > so many of the ancient scales are 3-limit and
> > 5-limit,
> > the music will be able to jump from ancient
> > Chinese to
> > Persia to Greece to the Catholic Church to India
> > pretty easily. Some of the poems I've found
> don't
> > come
> > from these major civilizations, and so I also
> want
> > to
> > approximate some ethnic scales (which 53-EQ can
> do
> > fairly well, if only because the octave has so
> > many
> > divisions). The music won't sound ancient or
> > histrically authentic, because I'll be
> modulating
> > around in ways the ancients would not have done
> > (when
> > the scale allows for such things). I get bored
> by
> > heavily dronal traditional music, even though I
> > love
> > the beautiful harmonics they elicit. So I'm
> going
> > to
> > try to have my cake and eat it too.
> > I'm also grateful for the warnings to not get
> lost
> > in
> > the process. I expect this whole project will
> take
> > ten
> > years, however, so collecting a couple hundred
> > scales
> > for the next two or three months shouldn't
> > significantly hinder me. Johnny Reinhard would
> > prefer
> > I compose faster so I could get his musicians
> > working
> > on a recording, but my opera, From The Realm Of
> > The
> > Shadow, took twenty years--so I'm hoping to pick
> > up
> > the pace here! ("Shadow" is available on Naxos
> > Records, by the way, was recorded with the
> > National
> > Symphony and Chorus of the Ukraine, and does
> have
> > my
> > first microtonal piece on it- a 19-ET "Monkey
> > Dance").
> > Thanks again,
> > Chris Mohr
> >
> >
> >
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🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@superonline.com>

Hi Chris,

You should take a look at these sites. The last two gives you samples to
listen to.

http://www.ideefixe.com/Muzik/tanim.asp?sid=D46WZCX8LD7DULGE440F

http://www.kalan.com/english/scripts/album/searchresult.asp?rn=23,75757

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000007Z4/qid=1100149091/sr=8
-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl15/103-0296887-5568609?v=glance&s=music&n=507846

http://www.cdrehberi.com/kanal/turler/dini.html

Cordially,
Ozan Yarman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Mohr" <fromtherealmoftheshadow@yahoo.com>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 09 Kasï¿½m 2004 Salï¿½ 16:45
Subject: Re: [tuning] Thanks for scale ideas!

>
> Thanks Ozan,
> I'll look it up now... and no, I'm not familiar with
> the Mevlevi Rite, though I may have heard it at
> various dervish performances I've attended in Boulder
> COlorado over the years.
> All my best,
> Chris Mohr

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@rcn.com>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_56217.html#56221

> >>>("Shadow" is available on Naxos
> >>>Records, by the way, was recorded with the National
> >>>Symphony and Chorus of the Ukraine, and does have my
> >>>first microtonal piece on it- a 19-ET "Monkey Dance").
> >>>Thanks again,
> >>>Chris Mohr
> >>
> >>Whoa dude! Why didn't you say so earlier?
> >>
> >> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005A8A7
> >>
> >>Whoa dude, bad reviews. :( And say, I don't
> >>see Monkey Dance in the track list...
> >
> >Whoops... I see some monkey dances after clicking
> >'see all tracks'.
>
> From the audio samples here, I don't get anything that
> would earn such poor marks. And obviously someone at
> Naxos liked it -- the American Classics series is very
> prestigious!
>
> -Carl

***I agree that there is nothing egregiously bad in this... People
are so judgemental... They see "self taught" and that's that. Well,
I believe Schoenberg claimed that he, himself, was "self taught.."

J. Pehrson