ANTI-SOCIAL MUSIC PLAYS JOE MANERI'S CHAMBER WORKS at Tonic

Joe Maneri's Unplayed Chamber Works + Joe Maneri Trio at Tonic
8/14/04

Saturday, 14 August 2004, 8 p.m.
Tonic (107 Norfolk, www.tonicnyc.com)
double bill
ANTI-SOCIAL MUSIC PLAYS JOE MANERI'S CHAMBER WORKS
&
JOE MANERI TRIO
$12.00

JOE MANERI TRIO is Joe Maneri (reeds, piano), Mat Maneri (viola),
Randy Peterson (drums)

ASM'S JOE MANERI PROJECT features unknown chamber works written by
Joe Maneri from 1971 - present. This is a very rare opportunity to
hear Joe Maneri's composed music, most of which has never been
presented in NYC!

- Ephphatha (1971), for tuba, trombone, clarinet and piano (12tet
with microtonal inflections)
- Holy Land Part 1: Cain and Abel (1980), for two soprano saxophones
and microtonal chorus (72tet)
- Violin Piece for Gunther Schuller (1982), for solo violin (72tet)
- Feast of St Luke (1984), quarter tone piano piece for one player
and two pianos (24tet)
- Sharafuddin Yah Yah Maneri Makdum Um Mulk (1993), for solo flute
or cello (72tet)
- Kotlyn (2000), for tenor saxophone and voice (72tet)
- Solo Viola Piece (no title yet) (2004) (72tet)

Performers include: Steven Beck (piano), Judith Berkson (voice),
Meredith Borden (voice), Caleb Burhans (voice, violin), Phillip
Cheah (voice), Hubert Chen (voice), Martha Cluver (voice), Jean Cook
(voice), Jacob Garchik (trombone), Peter Hess (reeds), Timothy Hill
(voice), Jeff Hudgins (reeds), Andrea La Rose (flute), Pat Muchmore
(cello), Bruce Rameker (voice), Reut Regev (trombone), Martha
Sullivan (voice), Ken Thomson (reeds), Karen Waltuch (viola), George
Wright (voice)

for more information please visit www.joemaneri.com

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "jagarch69" <jagarch69@y...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_55294.html#55294

> Joe Maneri's Unplayed Chamber Works + Joe Maneri Trio at Tonic
> 8/14/04
>
> Saturday, 14 August 2004, 8 p.m.
> Tonic (107 Norfolk, www.tonicnyc.com)
> double bill
> ANTI-SOCIAL MUSIC PLAYS JOE MANERI'S CHAMBER WORKS
> &
> JOE MANERI TRIO
> $12.00
>

***This is great news, although regrettably I'll be out of town.
What do you want to bet that everything will be notated in Ezra Sim's
72-tET notation... (despite it's obvious shortcomings...)

J. Pehrson

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "jagarch69" <jagarch69@y...> wrote:
> Joe Maneri's Unplayed Chamber Works + Joe Maneri Trio at Tonic
> 8/14/04
>
> Saturday, 14 August 2004, 8 p.m.
> Tonic (107 Norfolk, www.tonicnyc.com)

This list goes over the entire world. Well, I doubt it is read in
Antarctica, but you still need to say what city.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:

> ***This is great news, although regrettably I'll be out of town.

Out of town--I guess this means New York. I suppose I should have just
assumed it meant the most parochial city in the world, but I thought
it might have been Boston--isn't that where Maneri hangs?

Gene Ward Smith wrote:

>--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "jagarch69" <jagarch69@y...> wrote:
> >
>>Joe Maneri's Unplayed Chamber Works + Joe Maneri Trio at Tonic >>8/14/04
>>
>>Saturday, 14 August 2004, 8 p.m.
>>Tonic (107 Norfolk, www.tonicnyc.com)
>> >>
>
>This list goes over the entire world. Well, I doubt it is read in
>Antarctica, but you still need to say what city. > >
As if it's too much trouble to click on the link.

How lazy.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
wrote:
>
> > ***This is great news, although regrettably I'll be out of town.
>
> Out of town--I guess this means New York. I suppose I should have
just
> assumed it meant the most parochial city in the world, but I thought
> it might have been Boston--isn't that where Maneri hangs?

***Well, Tonic is in NYC, but an out-of-towner probably wouldn't know
that...

He does say the website is www.tonicnyc.com, but I admit he should
include the courtesy of including the CITY of performance.

I'm sure it was just an oversight, not an insult (like the Saul
Steinberg New Yorker cover that has Manhattan as the center of the
universe...)

JP

> Tonic (107 Norfolk, www.tonicnyc.com)
> This is a very rare opportunity to
> hear Joe Maneri's composed music, most of which has never been
> presented in NYC!

Sorry, list. I assumed most people who follow Maneri (or any kind of
new music) have heard of Tonic, since that is where he plays most
often in NYC. Don't you love mailing lists, the epicenter of all
meaningful, insightful commentary and criticism, and home of the
world's most punctilious proofreaders.
For this concert we typeset Holy Land Part 1: Cain and Abel (1980),
for two soprano saxophones and microtonal chorus, using Finale and Ted
Mook's Micro3. It was initially difficult but ultimately very useful.
The chorus, most of whom have no experience in microtones, have taken
to the symbols very easily. I'll soon post a page on
www.joemaneri.com/works.html so all can see.

Joseph Pehrson wrote:

>--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
> >
>>--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> >> >>
>wrote:
> >
>>>***This is great news, although regrettably I'll be out of town. >>> >>>
>>Out of town--I guess this means New York. I suppose I should have >> >>
>just
> >
>>assumed it meant the most parochial city in the world, but I thought
>>it might have been Boston--isn't that where Maneri hangs?
>> >>
>
>
>***Well, Tonic is in NYC, but an out-of-towner probably wouldn't know >that...
>
>He does say the website is www.tonicnyc.com, but I admit he should >include the courtesy of including the CITY of performance.
>

Oh yes. tonicNYC.com isn't too obvious.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "jagarch69" <jagarch69@y...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_55294.html#55317

> > Tonic (107 Norfolk, www.tonicnyc.com)
> > This is a very rare opportunity to
> > hear Joe Maneri's composed music, most of which has never been
> > presented in NYC!
>
> Sorry, list. I assumed most people who follow Maneri (or any kind of
> new music) have heard of Tonic, since that is where he plays most
> often in NYC. Don't you love mailing lists, the epicenter of all
> meaningful, insightful commentary and criticism, and home of the
> world's most punctilious proofreaders.
> For this concert we typeset Holy Land Part 1: Cain and Abel (1980),
> for two soprano saxophones and microtonal chorus, using Finale and
Ted
> Mook's Micro3. It was initially difficult but ultimately very
useful.
> The chorus, most of whom have no experience in microtones, have
taken
> to the symbols very easily. I'll soon post a page on
> www.joemaneri.com/works.html so all can see.

***This is what's so scary for me... Sagittal?? What's Sagittal??
Who reads and knows Sagittal???

J. Pehrson

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:

> He does say the website is www.tonicnyc.com, but I admit he should
> include the courtesy of including the CITY of performance.

It wasn't laziness which made me not check that, it is the fact that
the link isn't active on Yahoo and I didn't read using a microscope.

> I'm sure it was just an oversight, not an insult (like the Saul
> Steinberg New Yorker cover that has Manhattan as the center of the
> universe...)

It reminded me of the Steinberg cover, which is famous because it is
so dead-on.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "jagarch69" <jagarch69@y...> wrote:
> > Tonic (107 Norfolk, www.tonicnyc.com)
> > This is a very rare opportunity to
> > hear Joe Maneri's composed music, most of which has never been
> > presented in NYC!
>
> Sorry, list. I assumed most people who follow Maneri (or any kind of
> new music) have heard of Tonic, since that is where he plays most

I have heard of Maneri. I have not heard of Tonic. I have heard of New
York City. I have visited it a few times. During none of those times
did it stike me that it is the center of the universe and that people
in Istanbul (which used to be The City, history fans) should and must
know everything about it.

> often in NYC.
Don't you love mailing lists, the epicenter of all
> meaningful, insightful commentary and criticism, and home of the
> world's most punctilious proofreaders.

Not to mention people able to call other people lazy at the drop of a
bit.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "jagarch69" <jagarch69@y...> wrote:
>
> /tuning/topicId_55294.html#55317
>
> > > Tonic (107 Norfolk, www.tonicnyc.com)
> > > This is a very rare opportunity to
> > > hear Joe Maneri's composed music, most of which has never been
> > > presented in NYC!
> >
> > Sorry, list. I assumed most people who follow Maneri (or any kind
of
> > new music) have heard of Tonic, since that is where he plays most
> > often in NYC. Don't you love mailing lists, the epicenter of all
> > meaningful, insightful commentary and criticism, and home of the
> > world's most punctilious proofreaders.
> > For this concert we typeset Holy Land Part 1: Cain and Abel
(1980),
> > for two soprano saxophones and microtonal chorus, using Finale
and Ted
> > Mook's Micro3. It was initially difficult but ultimately very
useful.
> > The chorus, most of whom have no experience in microtones, have
taken
> > to the symbols very easily. I'll soon post a page on
> > www.joemaneri.com/works.html so all can see.
>
>
> ***This is what's so scary for me... Sagittal?? What's Sagittal??

A notation that can handle a few more tunings than the Sims/Maneri
notation can. ;-)

> Who reads and knows Sagittal???

At present, only a few people who wish to use tunings for which there
is no "standard" notation, but that's something that could change in
time.

If I were a user or advocate of Sims/Maneri notation, here's a
question that I would find even more scary:

How many additional tunings will Sims/Maneri notation be able to
notate 10 or 20 years from now?

--George

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "George D. Secor" <gdsecor@y...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_55294.html#55421

> > ***This is what's so scary for me... Sagittal?? What's
Sagittal??
>
> A notation that can handle a few more tunings than the Sims/Maneri
> notation can. ;-)
>
> > Who reads and knows Sagittal???
>
> At present, only a few people who wish to use tunings for which
there
> is no "standard" notation, but that's something that could change
in
> time.
>
> If I were a user or advocate of Sims/Maneri notation, here's a
> question that I would find even more scary:
>
> How many additional tunings will Sims/Maneri notation be able to
> notate 10 or 20 years from now?
>
> --George

***Hello George,

Well, probably none, obviously... I still intend on using Sagittal,
particularly since I actively dislike the Sima/Maneri quartertones.
There is no sense of direction in them at all, and I can't remember
which is which. I'm surprised that any performers can.

Still, there *is* as we can see, a performance practice using
Sims/Maneri, even if not a large one.

I'm only hoping that when people see the Wilson/Sagittal for 72-tET
that the visual logic will be strong enough to convince them over,
and the conversion from their former practice won't be too daunting...

best,

Joseph

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "George D. Secor" <gdsecor@y...>
wrote:
>
> /tuning/topicId_55294.html#55421
>
>
> > > ***This is what's so scary for me... Sagittal?? What's
Sagittal??
> >
> > A notation that can handle a few more tunings than the
Sims/Maneri
> > notation can. ;-)
> >
> > > Who reads and knows Sagittal???
> >
> > At present, only a few people who wish to use tunings for which
there
> > is no "standard" notation, but that's something that could change
in
> > time.
> >
> > If I were a user or advocate of Sims/Maneri notation, here's a
> > question that I would find even more scary:
> >
> > How many additional tunings will Sims/Maneri notation be able to
> > notate 10 or 20 years from now?
> >
> > --George
>
> ***Hello George,
>
> Well, probably none, obviously...

And I guess we've just proved that it's possible to carry on a
meaningful conversation even if we're only answering one another's
rhetorical questions. ;-)

> I still intend on using Sagittal,
> particularly since I actively dislike the Sima/Maneri
quartertones.
> There is no sense of direction in them at all, and I can't remember
> which is which. I'm surprised that any performers can.

It seems to me I remember your mentioning that some comments were
also made to the effect that they wouldn't win any beauty
contests. :-)

> Still, there *is* as we can see, a performance practice using
> Sims/Maneri, even if not a large one.
>
> I'm only hoping that when people see the Wilson/Sagittal for 72-tET
> that the visual logic will be strong enough to convince them over,
> and the conversion from their former practice won't be too
daunting...

Once they realize that 72-ET isn't the only game in (the alternate-
tunings) town, then I believe the evolutionary approach that we're
advocating in the Sagittal documentation would make sense.

Hang in there, buddy!

--George

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "George D. Secor" <gdsecor@y...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_55294.html#55429
> > Still, there *is* as we can see, a performance practice using
> > Sims/Maneri, even if not a large one.
> >
> > I'm only hoping that when people see the Wilson/Sagittal for 72-
tET
> > that the visual logic will be strong enough to convince them
over,
> > and the conversion from their former practice won't be too
> daunting...
>
> Once they realize that 72-ET isn't the only game in (the alternate-
> tunings) town, then I believe the evolutionary approach that we're
> advocating in the Sagittal documentation would make sense.
>
> Hang in there, buddy!
>
> --George

***Well, it's true, George that you've "built a better mousetrap..."
so now we just have to wait for the mice to come through the door...

JP