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Margo on late medieval schismic

🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

1/26/2004 4:25:26 PM

I seem to recall that she said there was some evidence that schismic
major thirds were employed during this period, but I can't find any
articles on that topic by searching this list. Does anyone have a
reference?

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@rcn.com>

1/26/2004 9:41:23 PM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:

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> I seem to recall that she said there was some evidence that
schismic
> major thirds were employed during this period, but I can't find any
> articles on that topic by searching this list. Does anyone have a
> reference?

***You might try the search words "Mark Lindley..." since I believe
she was mostly commenting on his articles on this...

JP

🔗monz <monz@attglobal.net>

1/26/2004 10:45:26 PM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...>
wrote:
>
> /tuning/topicId_52141.html#52141
>
> > I seem to recall that she said there was some evidence
> > that schismic major thirds were employed during this
> > period, but I can't find any articles on that topic
> > by searching this list. Does anyone have a reference?
>
> ***You might try the search words "Mark Lindley..." since
> I believe she was mostly commenting on his articles on this...

right ... the best reference i know of for the medieval
use of "skhismic 3rds" is:

Lindley, Mark and Ronald Turner-Smith. 1993.
_Mathematical Models of Musical Scales: A New Approach.
Orpheus-Schriftenreihe zu Grundfragen der Musik vol. 66,
Verlag für systematische Musikwissenschaft,
Bonn-Bad Godesberg, 308 pages.

... where the tuning was assumed to by a Pythagorean chain
Gb ... B, but Gb-Db-Ab-Eb were used respectively in triads
as F#-C#-G#-D#, thus: D-Gb-A, A-Db-E, E-Ab-B .

of course, this makes the B-"major" triad the wolf,
because Gb is a Pythagorean comma too narrow to make
a good "5th" with B.

Lindley presents evidence from the repertoire that these
chords were actually written into scores of the period.

-monz

🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

1/26/2004 10:59:16 PM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:

> Lindley presents evidence from the repertoire that these
> chords were actually written into scores of the period.

Thanks, Joe & Joe. I'm sticking it into the schismic temperament
article.