the Return of Peter W. Sault

Nobody panic; I've just allowed two messages of his which were
being held in "pending" status to be sent through to the list.
It seems Peter was partially victimized by Mark/Gene/Me not
knowing what the hell we were doing.

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:

> Nobody panic; I've just allowed two messages of his which were
> being held in "pending" status to be sent through to the list.
> It seems Peter was partially victimized by Mark/Gene/Me not
> knowing what the hell we were doing.

Why in the world did you let through the Naziboy post??

>> Nobody panic; I've just allowed two messages of his which were
>> being held in "pending" status to be sent through to the list.
>> It seems Peter was partially victimized by Mark/Gene/Me not
>> knowing what the hell we were doing.
>
>Why in the world did you let through the Naziboy post??

I figured he was entitled to it in the afterlife, since he previous
on-topic post wasn't getting through. We don't, after all, want
him to haunt us.

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:

> I figured he was entitled to it in the afterlife, since he previous
> on-topic post wasn't getting through. We don't, after all, want
> him to haunt us.

I hope you mean for this to be a one-off. I think name-calling on this
list should be confined to things like "amateur" or "conservative",
and that "Nazi" in the future should be banned.

>> I figured he was entitled to it in the afterlife, since he previous
>> on-topic post wasn't getting through. We don't, after all, want
>> him to haunt us.
>
>I hope you mean for this to be a one-off.

Of course I do, and you can easily check that I've destroyed Peter's
other pending messages, including one where he called you a Nazi
that was sent before his post to Kurt got lost.

>I think name-calling on this
>list should be confined to things like "amateur" or "conservative",
>and that "Nazi" in the future should be banned.

That's up to you. I will not ban the word "nazi", and unless
you can give me an algorithm that unambiguously tells me when
it's being used in "name-calling" and when it isn't I'll just
have to use my own algorithm.

-Carl

algorythms wood all so half two detekt phonetics lyke "knot-sea" witch wood
bee past utherwise.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Lumma [mailto:ekin@lumma.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:05 PM
> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: the Return of Peter W. Sault
>
>
> >> I figured he was entitled to it in the afterlife, since he previous
> >> on-topic post wasn't getting through. We don't, after all, want
> >> him to haunt us.
> >
> >I hope you mean for this to be a one-off.
>
> Of course I do, and you can easily check that I've destroyed Peter's
> other pending messages, including one where he called you a Nazi
> that was sent before his post to Kurt got lost.
>
> >I think name-calling on this
> >list should be confined to things like "amateur" or "conservative",
> >and that "Nazi" in the future should be banned.
>
> That's up to you. I will not ban the word "nazi", and unless
> you can give me an algorithm that unambiguously tells me when
> it's being used in "name-calling" and when it isn't I'll just
> have to use my own algorithm.
>
> -Carl
>
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> algorythms wood all so half two detekt phonetics lyke
> "knot-sea" witch wood bee past utherwise.

Clever. However, I'm fairly confident most humans would
do this the same way. What I'm not confident about is
that most humans would (or need to) unambiguously agree
on what constitutes name-calling.

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:

> That's up to you. I will not ban the word "nazi", and unless
> you can give me an algorithm that unambiguously tells me when
> it's being used in "name-calling" and when it isn't I'll just
> have to use my own algorithm.

It's used in namecalling when you call someone a Nazi. How
complicated is that? I don't think ethnic slurs, religous slurs, or
derogatory references concerning groups people may happen to have
been born into should be allowed either.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <ekin@l...> wrote:

> Clever. However, I'm fairly confident most humans would
> do this the same way. What I'm not confident about is
> that most humans would (or need to) unambiguously agree
> on what constitutes name-calling.

Calling someone a Nazi could only not be name calling if in fact they
were a Nazi. Using the "n" word is not name calling only in certain
special situations which cannot obtain on this list, and the same is
true for other words for classes of people which people in the class
might use themselves. It would never be acceptable, on this list or
off of it, to use a derogatory word of that sort if the people whom
it references never use it themselves.

>How complicated is that?

Very.

>I don't think ethnic slurs, religous slurs, or
>derogatory references concerning groups people may happen to have
>been born into should be allowed either.

Then you can delete them.

-Carl

>> Clever. However, I'm fairly confident most humans would
>> do this the same way. What I'm not confident about is
>> that most humans would (or need to) unambiguously agree
>> on what constitutes name-calling.
>
>Calling someone a Nazi could only not be name calling if in
>fact they were a Nazi.

People call other people all sorts of Nazi in endearing terms,
especially since the airing of the Seinfeld "soup Nazi" episode.

Furthermore, just because someone IS a member of a National
Socialist party doesn't mean that someone calling him a Nazi
isn't being malevolent.

>Using the "n" word is not name calling only in certain
>special situations which cannot obtain on this list, and the same
>is true for other words for classes of people which people in the
>class might use themselves. It would never be acceptable, on this
>list or off of it, to use a derogatory word of that sort if the
>people whom it references never use it themselves.

Ethics in a nutshell! Have you considered writing a book?

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Dante Rosati" <dante@i...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_51768.html#51779

> algorythms wood all so half two detekt phonetics lyke "knot-sea"
witch wood
> bee past utherwise.
>

***Score one for Dante... :)

JP

In a message dated 2004:01:14 03:20:52 PM, dante@interport.net writes:

>algorythms wood all so half two detekt phonetics lyke "knot-sea" witch
>wood bee past utherwise.

ROTFLMAO

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