Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning Re: [metatuning] The Political Compass--tuning

Forgive me for posting this thread redundantly to tuning as well, but I think
I'd like to hear what others who don't follow metatuning might say:

On Saturday 03 January 2004 12:36 pm, kraig grady wrote:
> Hello Aaron!
>
> "Aaron K. Johnson" wrote:
> > 'Don't fence me in' is my motto. Ivor
> > Darreg's writings resonate with me.
>
> I can't think of any greater fence than an equal division. it is
> impossible to add on to unless you just want to double by division. At
> least JI you can add or substract just about anywhere.

We're getting into subjective opinion here, but for my part, although I live
for new frontiers, I simply can't kiss 800 years of great music, some just,
some equal, some well-tempered, goodbye. (like Partch was reputed to have
done)

An equal division is very useful for what it does. It's just another color in
an infinite palette!!! I favor 19, 31, and 53tet, but wrote a piece in 10tet,
and another that goes between some odd ones like 11 and 13 and 5 and 7-tet,
and loved the result! I also have done much improv in 7 and 5-tets. And I
also work in JI---I love harmonic scales, 5-limit, your 'Centaur', Hahn's '32
consonance'. But purity gets boring, too--I love neutral intervals. I love
historical temperaments and meantones and Pythagorean, too. And, while I'm at
it, 12-tet is perfectly fine for 12-tet music, I think, and most meaty jazz
chords sound best in it. I consider it an 'alternate' tuning, in that it's an
'alternative'. In fact, mixing tunings can be great fun--I like the 'beating'
that results--it's good for certain moods or effects--somewhat spooky, or
even humorous moods or colors are enormously available when one does this. I
did a 7-limit just against 12-equal--really sick sounding, but in a good
way!!!!

There's only one rule in music--Debussy said it--what pleases the ear. What's
on paper is fine, but how does it sound? This is after all, a sonic art we
are talking about. Good music is a mixture of intelligence (structure and
function and form) AND sensuality (beauty and expression). If it has these
things, I don't care what the tuning is, although I'm partial to it having a
non-12 tuning for novelty at this point.....

I'm a pragmatist, not a fundamentalist. I believe in 'the right tool for the
right job', which is whatever you feel you need to express musically. If you
only need to thinnk and feel in JI, great. I just am not that way--I'm an
omnivore as a listener and performer (and composer) anyhow. I just did
Handel's Messiah at Civic Opera house in Chicago, then I turn around and
do, for lack of a better description, dark-ambient epic soundscapes with my
percussionist friend Andy Hasenpflug, a day later. My interest in tuning
possible on a 12 note keyboard reflect my practicality at wanting to explore
NOW, not later, when I have specialized microtonal instruments, which cost
time (to build) or money (to buy)....

Cheers,
Aaron.

> > I get turned on by both new and excited, never-heard-before harmonies,
> > as well as a perfectly in tune traditional triad sung by Bulgarian
> > peasants, or a harmonic seventh chord sung by a Barbershop Quartet. I see
> > no reason not to do both.
>
> I am not quite sure 'exactly what the Bulgarian are singing, Many
> harmonies centered around pedal tones
>
> > Stongly disagree
> > Disagree
> > Agree
> > Strongly agree
> >
> > (Aaron's answer: Strongly agree)
> >
> > ;>)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Aaron.
> >
> > On Saturday 03 January 2004 09:05 am, kylegann1955 wrote:
> > > Here ya go (for a start):
> > >
> > > 1. Exactness of consonance is not worth the transpositional
> > > inconvenience of an unequal scale.
> > >
> > > Strongly disagree
> > > Disagree
> > > Agree
> > > Strongly agree
> > >
> > > 2. Creating sonorities never heard before is much more exciting than
> > > simply getting traditional tonal harmonies perfectly in tune.
> > >
> > > Strongly disagree
> > > Disagree
> > > Agree
> > > Strongly agree
> > >
> > > Let's see who the authoritarian tuning theorists among us are. :^D
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Kyle (-8.5 on the JI scale)
> > >
> > >
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> There's only one rule in music--Debussy said it--what pleases the
ear. What's
> on paper is fine, but how does it sound? This is after all, a sonic
art we
> are talking about. Good music is a mixture of intelligence
(structure and
> function and form) AND sensuality (beauty and expression). If it
has these
> things, I don't care what the tuning is, although I'm partial to it
having a
> non-12 tuning for novelty at this point.....
>
> I'm a pragmatist, not a fundamentalist. I believe in 'the right
tool for the
> right job', which is whatever you feel you need to express
musically. If you
> only need to thinnk and feel in JI, great. I just am not that way--
I'm an
> omnivore as a listener and performer (and composer) anyhow. I just
did
> Handel's Messiah at Civic Opera house in Chicago, then I turn
around and
> do, for lack of a better description, dark-ambient epic soundscapes
with my
> percussionist friend Andy Hasenpflug, a day later. My interest in
tuning
> possible on a 12 note keyboard reflect my practicality at wanting
to explore
> NOW, not later, when I have specialized microtonal instruments,
which cost
> time (to build) or money (to buy)....
>
> Cheers,
> Aaron.
>

***Hello Aaron,

You sound like Brian McLaren. You would probably enjoy his writings,
if you haven't read them already...

Joseph Pehrson

Re: [metatuning] The Political Compass--tuning

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