Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning Cents Puzzler

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Grant" <pg@p...> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> In the spreading of holiday cheer, I have made a Cents Puzzler that
you can
> find at:
>
> http://www.strangemusic.com/centspuzzle.htm
>
> Yes, it uses (baaad) sine waves. However, it could be made with any
other
> wave or sample if requested.
>
> Send in your guesses and I'll let you know if anybody nails it.
>
> Have fun,
> Patrick Grant

***Well, I'm not doing very well with this. I've told Johnny before
that I can't hear this, so at least I'm being consistent. Aside from
pitch one and two, where I hear the second pitch going down, I can't
distingish anything at all, so I guess my results would be:

1, 5, ?, ?, ?

J. Pehrson

🔗Aaron K. Johnson <akjmicro@comcast.net>

On Sunday 21 December 2003 05:51 pm, Patrick Grant wrote:
> Hello,
>
> In the spreading of holiday cheer, I have made a Cents Puzzler that you can
> find at:
>
> http://www.strangemusic.com/centspuzzle.htm
>
> Yes, it uses (baaad) sine waves. However, it could be made with any other
> wave or sample if requested.
>
> Send in your guesses and I'll let you know if anybody nails it.
>
> Have fun,
> Patrick Grant

Great idea, Patrick!!

I confess, they all sound like the same pitch to me.

I might have better luck if you gave a drone an octave lower, and a sawtooth
wave or something--without beating, I think I couldn't hear it.

I'd love to see Johnny's guesses, though !!

Best,
Aaron.

P.S.> My friend Paul DeSilva used to play for you. You met him by way of
another friend of mine from Purchase, Justin Rubin.

🔗Patrick Grant <pg@patrickgrant.net>

Hey Aaron,

> I confess, they all sound like the same pitch to me.

Well, I promise that it's honest and that all the pitches are indeed
different as stated!

> P.S.> My friend Paul DeSilva used to play for you. You met him by way of
> another friend of mine from Purchase, Justin Rubin.
>

Two great guys. Good to know!

Thanks, Aaron.

-Patrick

🔗monz <monz@attglobal.net>

hi Patrick,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Grant" <pg@p...> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> In the spreading of holiday cheer, I have made a
> Cents Puzzler that you can find at:
>
> http://www.strangemusic.com/centspuzzle.htm
>
> Yes, it uses (baaad) sine waves. However, it could be
> made with any other wave or sample if requested.
>
> Send in your guesses and I'll let you know if anybody nails it.

it sounds to me like the second tone is higher than the
first, and the third is the highest of all. but i can't
tell where the last two fit in.

i'm guess something like this: 2, 3, 5, 1, 4
or 2, 3, 5, 4, 1 .

i'm not even taking a stab at the second puzzler.

-monz

🔗Haresh BAKSHI <hareshbakshi@hotmail.com>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Grant" <pg@p...> wrote:
>>>> I have made a Cents Puzzler that you can
> find at: http://www.strangemusic.com/centspuzzle.htm >>>>

Hello Patrick, the Cents Puzzler is a micro-scale of five pitches, numbered from lowest to highest 1,2,3,4,5, all a cent apart. This is very interesting. However, why not make it "educational", too, by starting with (average) JND (~5 cents?), and gradually reducing to 2-cent differences -- and, lastly, 1-cent differences? Such a puzzler would be very useful for testing oneself, though these would not be lab. conditions.

If you decide against this, can you oblige me by devising the test for me [-- and, perhaps, our music-loving monthly > 135,000+ visitors to
http://www.SoundOfIndia.com]

Regards,
Haresh.

🔗Afmmjr@aol.com

🔗Patrick Grant <pg@patrickgrant.net>

It appears that message 50349 was deleted by someone.

I believe that that was the one in which Haresh gave the answers, and that I
and Dante have in our folders, that I quoted (even though he followed up
with a different guess in 509350).

What happenned to that deleted post?

-Patrick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dante Rosati" <dante@interport.net>
To: "Tuning@Yahoogroups. Com" <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 8:59 AM
Subject: FW: [tuning] Re: Cents Puzzler

> I have the belowenclosed email in my tuning folder, but it indeed does not
> seem to be in the archives. Was it deleted by someone?
>
> Dante
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Haresh BAKSHI [mailto:hareshbakshi@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:26 PM
> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tuning] Re: Cents Puzzler
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Grant" <pg@p...> wrote:
> >>>> In the spreading of holiday cheer, I have made a Cents Puzzler that
you
> can find at: http://www.strangemusic.com/centspuzzle.htm ....
>
> Hello Patrick, my guesses:
>
> Puzzle #1: 0 1 4 2 3
> The descending order sounds like: 3, 5, ?, ?, 1
>
> Puzzle #2: The difference is greater than 2 cents, probably 4 or 5 cents.
> The second tone is the higher of the two.
>
> Haresh.
>
>
>
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🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

🔗Haresh BAKSHI <hareshbakshi@hotmail.com>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Grant" <pg@p...> wrote:
>
> > It appears that message 50349 was deleted by someone.

Hello Gene,

The Puzzle of the Puzzler
-------------------------
I am sorry for the delay in my attempt to find out -- and report -- what has been happening to my answer(s) to the Cents Puzzler.

While I was busy with the first phase of learning more about Relative Harmonic Entropy and its utility as a tool in the enquiry of how a raga is improvised, I have been trying to find out two things about my response(s) to the puzzler:

(1) What transpired? (2) How could what happened, happen? Any explanation?

Call it the quest for truth, or a search in the spirit of adventure, but I am none the wiser today than I was earlier. But I can declare, though I do not *know* for sure, that whatever has happened, has happened at my end, and so that is my responsibility. So, the first response to the puzzler must have reached the List through the use of my computer, as also its deletion (though, I am not able to find out how and why), and the second message.

I want to share with you what COULD have happened. Please try to visualize:

Christmas time -- time for merriment and mirth; about eight persons in my computer room which can accommodate strictly a maximum of five; my neighbor's daughter, a teenage school girl and her friends, all full of verve and vivacity, who had graced the large festive gathering to get solution to their math puzzles; two or three Sanskrit students, excited about helping me get the year's last set of 'prahelika" (quizzes) ready to be emailed to a Sanskrit Group; My continual but unfinished work on creating puzzles for my music web site; Indian snacks and tea being served; pure and overwhelming joie de vivre. To this add our very own puzzler,and you have all the ingredients for a disaster. A disaster which DID precipitate at least at one place -- my response to the Cents Puzzler, I believe. We had all kinds and manners of puzzles: 0-4 type, 1-5 type, 0-9 type, 1-10 type ......in various orders and arrangements.

How did my answer to our puzzler EXACTLY coincide with the correct entry? If I knew the answer to that question, I should have known that I was in the midst of an extremely rare streak of luck, and run to buy my first ever lottery ticket.

The response sent in the second email is MY response -- [no brilliant smile of lady Luck here!].

Thanks and regards,
Haresh.

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org>

>It appears that message 50349 was deleted by someone.
>
>I believe that that was the one in which Haresh gave the answers,
>and that I and Dante have in our folders, that I quoted (even though
>he followed up with a different guess in 509350).
>
>What happenned to that deleted post?
>
>-Patrick

Only Haresh, Gene, Mark Nowitsky, or myself could have done it, and
I didn't do it.

According to yahoo, Haresh deleted the message on 12/22/2003 at
9:26 am.

-Carl

🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@rcn.com>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Haresh BAKSHI" <hareshbakshi@h...>

/tuning/topicId_50309.html#50441

> How did my answer to our puzzler EXACTLY coincide with the correct
entry? If I knew the answer to that question, I should have known
that I was in the midst of an extremely rare streak of luck, and run
to buy my first ever lottery ticket.
>
> The response sent in the second email is MY response -- [no
brilliant smile of lady Luck here!].
>
> Thanks and regards,
> Haresh.

***Hello Haresh!

Sounds like you're having a merry and somewhat unconventional time of
it... My understanding was that your answers to the "cents sampler"
were not exact, but you got the general contour of the melody, where
as other people did not. Maybe it's listening to all that Indian
music. Seasons Greetings from Michigan...

Joseph Pehrson