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Ladies and Gentlemen,

May I bring to your attention, once again, my earlier post soliciting your assistance in acquiring a customized tone generator for testing a pitch tracking hardware-software system.

So far I have received responses only from Haresh and Paul only.

I thank you for your consideration.

Can Akkoc

Can Akkoc <can193849@yahoo.com> wrote:
To: List Tuning
From: Can Akkoc
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:38:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tuning] Customized tone genarator

Hello All,

I am looking for a simple software spectrum analyzer_synthesizer that can do spectral analysis of monophonic sounds from "natural" musical instruments and simulate such sounds by generating tones with the same spectral content and at user-picked fundamental frequencies.

I need this for determining the accuracy and resolution of my measurement system.

Thank you.

Can Akkoc

can193849@yahoo.com

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🔗Peter Wakefield Sault <sault@cyberware.co.uk>

>
> Hello All,
>
> I am looking for a simple software spectrum analyzer_synthesizer
that can do spectral analysis of monophonic sounds from "natural"
musical instruments and simulate such sounds by generating tones with
the same spectral content and at user-picked fundamental frequencies.
>
> I need this for determining the accuracy and resolution of my
measurement system.
>
> Thank you.
>

I don't think there is one - I certainly couldn't find one after much
searching. I started writing a software synth to achieve the same
result (but without the spectral analysis component) and to give
myself a vibration number addressable synth and ended up with a much
simpler, though more laborious, solution. I sample notes whose
frequency is close to the desired frequency then 'stretch'
or 'shrink' them to the desired frequency by applying a coefficient.
You can listen to a result of this by going to
http://www.odeion.org/music and selecting the piece called 'Babylon'
from under the heading 'Natural Aesthetics'. So far it will handle
only 8- and 16-bit samples.

I do know of a spectrum analyzer. It's called SpectraLab. Maybe you
could combine that with a synth to achieve what you want. Otherwise I
suspect you will have to program your own Fourier transforms.

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org>

>May I bring to your attention, once again, my earlier post soliciting
>your assistance in acquiring a customized tone generator for testing a
>pitch tracking hardware-software system.
>
>So far I have received responses only from Haresh and Paul only.

Two replies -- pretty good for around here! :)

It seems what you're after is an additive synthesizer that can do
resynthesis. I don't really know... can things like Supercollider,
MAX, do this? Perhaps CSound can. Bill Sethares might know more.

Certainly Kyma is advertised to do this.

http://www.symbolicsound.com/

-Carl

🔗Aaron K. Johnson <akjmicro@comcast.net>

can-

have you heard of csound? it is basically a command line interface, but it has
resythesis functions--sounds like what you are looking for....

-Aaron.

On Friday 05 December 2003 09:48 am, Can Akkoc wrote:
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> May I bring to your attention, once again, my earlier post soliciting your
> assistance in acquiring a customized tone generator for testing a pitch
> tracking hardware-software system.
>
> So far I have received responses only from Haresh and Paul only.
>
> I thank you for your consideration.
>
> Can Akkoc
>
> Can Akkoc <can193849@yahoo.com> wrote:
> To: List Tuning
> From: Can Akkoc
> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:38:12 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: [tuning] Customized tone genarator
>
> Hello All,
>
> I am looking for a simple software spectrum analyzer_synthesizer that can
> do spectral analysis of monophonic sounds from "natural" musical
> instruments and simulate such sounds by generating tones with the same
> spectral content and at user-picked fundamental frequencies.
>
> I need this for determining the accuracy and resolution of my measurement
> system.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Can Akkoc
>
> can193849@yahoo.com
>
>
>
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🔗Leonardo Perretti <dombedos@tiscalinet.it>

Can,

I have written a tuning program, that I have called "Organum", which could be useful for your scope. It was originally designed as an helper for pipe organ restorers dealing with antique organs, especially for drawing information about the possible original temperament of the instrument, from selected pipes' pitches.
It generates sounds by a specially written sound generator using the sample table/phase accumulation technique. It can accept AIFF files as waveform source, so, in your case, you could sample the timbre of your instrument by a sampling program, store it as an AIFF file, and then import it in this program and vary its pitch at will (too tricky ?). The sound generator is quite exact, and generates continuous sound. Also, it can measure an external frequency, show its value, compare it with the nearest note of the given scale, and show the difference on a graduate scale, something like it happens in many electronic tuners.
It is available for Mac OS9 only (never checked with OSX in Classic mode); it is not available on the internet, as some features are still to be completed, and there are some small bugs to be fixed. If you want to give it a try, I can send you a copy.

Leonardo Perretti

Can Akkoc wrote:

> I am looking for a simple software spectrum analyzer_synthesizer that can
> do spectral analysis of monophonic sounds from "natural" musical
> instruments and simulate such sounds by generating tones with the same
> spectral content and at user-picked fundamental frequencies.
>
> I need this for determining the accuracy and resolution of my measurement
> system.

🔗Can Akkoc <can193849@yahoo.com>

Thanks Carl. I will certainly try the leads you have suggested.

Can

Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org> wrote:
>May I bring to your attention, once again, my earlier post soliciting
>your assistance in acquiring a customized tone generator for testing a
>pitch tracking hardware-software system.
>
>So far I have received responses only from Haresh and Paul only.

Two replies -- pretty good for around here! :)

It seems what you're after is an additive synthesizer that can do
resynthesis. I don't really know... can things like Supercollider,
MAX, do this? Perhaps CSound can. Bill Sethares might know more.

Certainly Kyma is advertised to do this.

http://www.symbolicsound.com/

-Carl

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Can Akkoc

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🔗Can Akkoc <can193849@yahoo.com>

Thanks Aaron. I will try Csound.

Can

"Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@comcast.net> wrote:

can-

have you heard of csound? it is basically a command line interface, but it has
resythesis functions--sounds like what you are looking for....

-Aaron.

--
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for man -- who has no gills. -Ambrose Bierce 'The Devils Dictionary'

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🔗Can Akkoc <can193849@yahoo.com>

Leonardo,

Thanks for your very generous offer. Organum might very well work for a computer illiterate person such as myself.

However, I have a PC with Windows 2000 OS. Would a computer expert be able to your software to my system?

Can

Leonardo Perretti <dombedos@tiscalinet.it> wrote:

Can,

I have written a tuning program, that I have called "Organum", which
could be useful for your scope. It was originally designed as a
helper for pipe organ restorers dealing with antique organs,
especially for drawing information about the possible original
temperament of the instrument, from selected pipes' pitches.
It generates sounds by a specially written sound generator using the
sample table/phase accumulation technique. It can accept AIFF files
as waveform source, so, in your case, you could sample the timbre of
your instrument by a sampling program, store it as an AIFF file, and
then import it in this program and vary its pitch at will (too tricky
?). The sound generator is quite exact, and generates continuous
sound. Also, it can measure an external frequency, show its value,
compare it with the nearest note of the given scale, and show the
difference on a graduate scale, something like it happens in many
electronic tuners.
It is available for Mac OS9 only (never checked with OSX in Classic
mode); it is not available on the internet, as some features are
still to be completed, and there are some small bugs to be fixed. If
you want to give it a try, I can send you a copy.

Leonardo Perretti

Can Akkoc wrote:

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🔗Leonardo Perretti <dombedos@tiscalinet.it>

Can,

Sorry to say, my software is based extensively on Mac OS routines, especially for the parts dealing with graphics and sound generation; I put no special attention in making the code portable. A translation to Windows would be a very hard job. It would be far far easier to find a Mac, even an old model.

Leonardo

Can Akkoc wrote:
>Leonardo,
>
>Thanks for your very generous offer. Organum might very well work for a
>computer illiterate person such as myself.
>
>However, I have a PC with Windows 2000 OS. Would a computer expert be
>able to your software to my system?
>
>Can
>
>Leonardo Perretti <dombedos@tiscalinet.it> wrote:
>
>
>Can,
>
>I have written a tuning program, that I have called "Organum", which
>could be useful for your scope. It was originally designed as a
>helper for pipe organ restorers dealing with antique organs,
>especially for drawing information about the possible original
>temperament of the instrument, from selected pipes' pitches.
>It generates sounds by a specially written sound generator using the
>sample table/phase accumulation technique. It can accept AIFF files
>as waveform source, so, in your case, you could sample the timbre of
>your instrument by a sampling program, store it as an AIFF file, and
>then import it in this program and vary its pitch at will (too tricky
>?). The sound generator is quite exact, and generates continuous
>sound. Also, it can measure an external frequency, show its value,
>compare it with the nearest note of the given scale, and show the
>difference on a graduate scale, something like it happens in many
>electronic tuners.
>It is available for Mac OS9 only (never checked with OSX in Classic
>mode); it is not available on the internet, as some features are
>still to be completed, and there are some small bugs to be fixed. If
>you want to give it a try, I can send you a copy.
>
>Leonardo Perretti
>
>
>Can Akkoc wrote:
>
>> I am looking for a simple software spectrum analyzer_synthesizer that can
>> do spectral analysis of monophonic sounds from "natural" musical
>> instruments and simulate such sounds by generating tones with the same
>> spectral content and at user-picked fundamental frequencies.
>>
>> I need this for determining the accuracy and resolution of my measurement
>> system.

🔗Peter Wakefield Sault <sault@cyberware.co.uk>

🔗Leonardo Perretti <dombedos@tiscalinet.it>

>--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Leonardo Perretti <dombedos@t...>
>wrote:
>>
>> Can,
>>
>> Sorry to say, my software is based extensively on Mac OS routines,
>> especially for the parts dealing with graphics and sound
>generation;
>> I put no special attention in making the code portable. A
>translation
>> to Windows would be a very hard job. It would be far far easier to
>> find a Mac, even an old model.
>>
>> Leonardo
>>
>
>I wouldn't say that too loudly around here if I were you. The
>hardware specificity police might be listening ;)

Oh, well, should that kind of police actually exist, surely they would already know what kind of Mac fundamentalist I am :-)

🔗Peter Wakefield Sault <sault@cyberware.co.uk>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Leonardo Perretti <dombedos@t...>
wrote:
> >--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Leonardo Perretti <dombedos@t...>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> Can,
> >>
> >> Sorry to say, my software is based extensively on Mac OS
routines,
> >> especially for the parts dealing with graphics and sound
> >generation;
> >> I put no special attention in making the code portable. A
> >translation
> >> to Windows would be a very hard job. It would be far far easier
to
> >> find a Mac, even an old model.
> >>
> >> Leonardo
> >>
> >
> >I wouldn't say that too loudly around here if I were you. The
> >hardware specificity police might be listening ;)
>
> Oh, well, should that kind of police actually exist, surely they
> would already know what kind of Mac fundamentalist I am :-)

They exist. I already got busted by one of them for writing IBM-
specific software and got told to go out and buy myself something
called a 'Linux' or I'd be in big trouble. Isn't a 'Mac' an old
raincoat?

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@rcn.com>

🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org>

🔗Leonardo Perretti <dombedos@tiscalinet.it>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Wakefield Sault" <sault@c...>
wrote:

>> >I wouldn't say that too loudly around here if I were you. The
>> >hardware specificity police might be listening ;)
>>
>> Oh, well, should that kind of police actually exist, surely they
>> would already know what kind of Mac fundamentalist I am :-)
>
> They exist. I already got busted by one of them for writing IBM-
> specific software and got told to go out and buy myself something
> called a 'Linux' or I'd be in big trouble. Isn't a 'Mac' an old
> raincoat?

Well, "Linux" is not hardware, and it is, by definition, an almost completely free thing, so you would not need to buy it.
Eventually, "Mac" might be used against rain, but its true scope is much more interesting.
It appears you need some updating. About computers, I mean.

Leonardo

🔗Can Akkoc <can193849@yahoo.com>

Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@rcn.com> wrote:
--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Can Akkoc <can193849@y...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_49091.html#49339

> Leonardo,
>
> Thanks for your very generous offer. Organum might very well work
for a computer illiterate person such as myself.
>

***Can, if you describe yourself as "computer illiterate," I doubt
very seriously that you are going to have a good time with CSOUND...
that's just a guess... :)

J. Pehrson

------------------------

Joseph,

Thanks for alerting me. You are probably right. When it comes to computers my level of sophistication is around ". . . for idiots".

Kindest regards,

Can Akkoc

can193849@yahoo.com

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