Tuning Timbre Spectrum Scale availability?

I've decided based on various reviews and articles that I really
need to read Bill's book for myself to see what it is all about.
Hence, having made the decision to obtain a copy, what is the
best way? Amazon.com mentions it as a special order item and
someone is selling it used for no discount... If possible I want
profits to go to a business or institution that is actually positive
and deserves the business. Any suggestions?

Aaron

>I've decided based on various reviews and articles that I really
>need to read Bill's book for myself to see what it is all about.
>Hence, having made the decision to obtain a copy, what is the
>best way? Amazon.com mentions it as a special order item and
>someone is selling it used for no discount... If possible I want
>profits to go to a business or institution that is actually positive
>and deserves the business. Any suggestions?

Bill has always suggested Amazon, but the /. crowd seem to prefer
b-n.com, presumably because of Amazon's patent-the-wheel tendencies.

I love Amazon though, even if it has been dumbed down to 'lowest
common denominator' level lately. Buying from local stores is
always nice, but finding Bill's book at one of them is unlikely,
and ordering through them is never convenient.

I don't know of any tuning-friendly orgs that would carry this
book.

-Carl

I have ordered this book directly from Springer by sending in
the mail card in the computer science newsletter I regularly
receive from them. Maybe one can order on the website too.

Manuel

Hi - I just saw this thread.

First, to Aaron, I'd say this book was worth reading, but then Im not your most
unbiased witness on this matter!

You will find a problem, however. Springer sold out the last of TTSS several months
ago, so you won't actually find any available at Amazon or BN. Of course, it may be
available second hand somewhere, but that's hit or miss.

The good news is that I am right now working hard on a second edition. I am
supposed to give them the final text at the end of December, and it seems likely that
I'll make this deadline. So, the second edition should be ready sometime early next
year. There will be 3 new chapters and the largest changes are in the sound examples
- instead of 1 hour of audio CD, there will be a CD ROM with about 4 hours of sound
examples, compositions, and a few small format videos. Of special interest to some
people on this list are a discussion of harmonic entropy and a presentation of J. deL's
adaptive spring tuning.

For the present, however, there's always your local library. I know that several people
have read it this way...

--Bill Sethares

Aarg! I actually just purchased a used copy through Amazon,
seeing that it was not available otherwise. Now I am in the
process of attempting to cancel that order, which may be
impossible. Clearly, the book will not be as valuable when the
second edition is available, and I guess I could just lose a bunch
of money, especially given that I do have enough else to read
and can easily wait until sometime next year for the second
edition. I shouldn't have been so rushed to get it. I was just
concerned when I saw that it was out of print and that a used
copy was available.

I'll be waiting for the second edition and will nearly certainly get a
copy. I hope this order can be cancelled somehow.

Aaron

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Sethares" <sethares@e...>
wrote:
> Hi - I just saw this thread.
>
> First, to Aaron, I'd say this book was worth reading, but then Im
not your most
> unbiased witness on this matter!
>
> You will find a problem, however. Springer sold out the last of
TTSS several months
> ago, so you won't actually find any available at Amazon or BN.
Of course, it may be
> available second hand somewhere, but that's hit or miss.
>
> The good news is that I am right now working hard on a
second edition. I am
> supposed to give them the final text at the end of December,
and it seems likely that
> I'll make this deadline. So, the second edition should be ready
sometime early next
> year. There will be 3 new chapters and the largest changes are
in the sound examples
> - instead of 1 hour of audio CD, there will be a CD ROM with
about 4 hours of sound
> examples, compositions, and a few small format videos. Of
special interest to some
> people on this list are a discussion of harmonic entropy and a
presentation of J. deL's
> adaptive spring tuning.
>
> For the present, however, there's always your local library. I
know that several people
> have read it this way...
>
> --Bill Sethares

if you're stuck with it, donate it to a library that doesn't carry
it, you'll be helping out both Bill and some future student of
tuning . . .

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "backfromthesilo"
<backfromthesilo@y...> wrote:
> Aarg! I actually just purchased a used copy through Amazon,
> seeing that it was not available otherwise. Now I am in the
> process of attempting to cancel that order, which may be
> impossible. Clearly, the book will not be as valuable when the
> second edition is available, and I guess I could just lose a bunch
> of money, especially given that I do have enough else to read
> and can easily wait until sometime next year for the second
> edition. I shouldn't have been so rushed to get it. I was just
> concerned when I saw that it was out of print and that a used
> copy was available.
>
> I'll be waiting for the second edition and will nearly certainly
get a
> copy. I hope this order can be cancelled somehow.
>
> Aaron
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Sethares" <sethares@e...>
> wrote:
> > Hi - I just saw this thread.
> >
> > First, to Aaron, I'd say this book was worth reading, but then Im
> not your most
> > unbiased witness on this matter!
> >
> > You will find a problem, however. Springer sold out the last of
> TTSS several months
> > ago, so you won't actually find any available at Amazon or BN.
> Of course, it may be
> > available second hand somewhere, but that's hit or miss.
> >
> > The good news is that I am right now working hard on a
> second edition. I am
> > supposed to give them the final text at the end of December,
> and it seems likely that
> > I'll make this deadline. So, the second edition should be ready
> sometime early next
> > year. There will be 3 new chapters and the largest changes are
> in the sound examples
> > - instead of 1 hour of audio CD, there will be a CD ROM with
> about 4 hours of sound
> > examples, compositions, and a few small format videos. Of
> special interest to some
> > people on this list are a discussion of harmonic entropy and a
> presentation of J. deL's
> > adaptive spring tuning.
> >
> > For the present, however, there's always your local library. I
> know that several people
> > have read it this way...
> >
> > --Bill Sethares

Ok, everything is alright. I got a refund. Next time I'll try not to be
so impulsive. I'll be excitedly waiting to be one of the first to get a
copy of the new edition when it is available. I'll mention real
quick that in reference to the concept of a CD-ROM I strongly
urge or hope you've already decided to make it completely
cross-platform!

Anyway, not sure why anyone would now, but if someone wants
a copy of the first edition, there is still that one at Amazon.

As for libraries, I'll do my part with the connections I have at the
University here to get them to get a copy of the new edition when
available.

Aaron

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "backfromthesilo"
> <backfromthesilo@y...> wrote:
> > Aarg! I actually just purchased a used copy through Amazon,
> > seeing that it was not available otherwise. Now I am in the
> > process of attempting to cancel that order, which may be
> > impossible. Clearly, the book will not be as valuable when
the
> > second edition is available, and I guess I could just lose a
bunch
> > of money, especially given that I do have enough else to read
> > and can easily wait until sometime next year for the second
> > edition. I shouldn't have been so rushed to get it. I was just
> > concerned when I saw that it was out of print and that a used
> > copy was available.
> >
> > I'll be waiting for the second edition and will nearly certainly
> get a
> > copy. I hope this order can be cancelled somehow.
> >
> > Aaron

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "backfromthesilo"

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<backfromthesilo@y...> wrote:
> Ok, everything is alright. I got a refund. Next time I'll try not
to be
> so impulsive. I'll be excitedly waiting to be one of the first to
get a
> copy of the new edition when it is available.

***I think you'd find that the original book is quite valuable
anyway, in any case...

My guess is that the new one only has some *elaborations* and
additional chapters. The basic premise undoubtedly won't be
changing... (I mean the idea of timbre used to create scales...)

I'm excited to hear that the work that John deLaubenfels did, mostly
on *this* list, has been included... And the ideas of Harmonic
Entropy, of course.

And, I would assume that it will contain the usual round of Paul
Erlich corrections and careful emendations, since I don't believe
Paul participated in the first round...

J. Pehrson