A get-together, based on 'center of gravity'.

Tuners,

I was talking to my wife how amazing it is that one can become familiar with
and comrades with people about a typically obscure subject thanks to the
internet....

Right as I was about to tell her my idea, she thought the same idea at the
same time, and said it before me: Why not organize a random tuning group get
together somewhere in the country that (perhaps-Paul? maybe you know the
geometrical math of this) could be calculated by the center of gravity of
say, the 10 most prolific posters to the group.

Another question: how many of us have met any others of us in the flesh?

Related question: anyone in the Chicago area, or know anyone personally in the
Chicago area who is into this tuning stuff but perhaps doesn't post, or only
posts infrequently?

Anyway, I think it would be very fun....perhaps even a wierd movie script
could be born from it!

-AKJ

--
OCEAN, n. A body of water occupying about two-thirds of a world made
for man -- who has no gills. -Ambrose Bierce 'The Devils Dictionary'

on 10/19/03 10:21 PM, Aaron K. Johnson <akjmicro@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> Tuners,
>
> I was talking to my wife how amazing it is that one can become familiar with
> and comrades with people about a typically obscure subject thanks to the
> internet....
>
> Right as I was about to tell her my idea, she thought the same idea at the
> same time, and said it before me: Why not organize a random tuning group get
> together somewhere in the country that (perhaps-Paul? maybe you know the
> geometrical math of this) could be calculated by the center of gravity of
> say, the 10 most prolific posters to the group.

Basing on prolific posters would marginalize the benefit.

Center of gravity is also not optimal. You might want to ask questions
about clustering. But the best approach, I think, is to just have all the
data out there, and let everybody organize it any way they want.

So we could create a database of whatever information people thought useful,
and do various things like do plots on a US map - but a simple list of
cities and zip codes would also be quite useful for scanning to find people
near you. Then just let things take their course - and they will!

So a question is simply this: never mind "prolific". Who would want to
participate? Each participant could then answer the questions:

do want to have you info (names/addresses/email) made public
do you want to have your info available to primary organizers
who might help connect you with "nearby" people

etc.

The other question is who would want to do the organizing, and who can
provide web resources, or whatever is needed to carry out the idea.

> Another question: how many of us have met any others of us in the flesh?

I have met with Carl Lumma. I have also met with Paul Bailey, a far-less
frequent poster. The discovery of our relative localities happenned
"spontaneously". Carl and I are both in Berkeley, CA.

Perhaps there should be a list called tuning-community or something which
could pursue the question of getting the community organized in various
ways?

On that list people could post messages like: "Hi joining the list. I live
in Albequerque, and I am into Just Intonation and have a piano and am
starting to work on composition." etc. Then a lot of organizational steps
are avoided in favor of a coupletely loose approach.

>
> Related question: anyone in the Chicago area, or know anyone personally in the
> Chicago area who is into this tuning stuff but perhaps doesn't post, or only
> posts infrequently?
>
> Anyway, I think it would be very fun....perhaps even a wierd movie script
> could be born from it!

Stay tuned!

>
> -AKJ
>

hi Aaron,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...>
wrote:

> Another question: how many of us have met any others of
> us in the flesh?

one of the most enjoyable trips i've ever taken was when
i moved from Philadelphia to San Diego in February/March 2000.
i took the long route, via Miami, and stopped to visit
(and in most cases, meet for the first time) many tuning list
subscribers (or former subscribers) who lived along my route.
i was great.

we've also had some microtonal festivals at which many of
us have met. two of the best i've attended were Johnny
Reinhard's big all-day "Microthon" in New York in May 1999,
and the great Microfest 2001 in Pomona CA, which included
a series of lectures along with the usual concerts.

these events in New York and SoCal happen annually, and
Boston also has a pretty active microtonal scene ... not
to mention the activities here in San Diego too, altho it's
been pretty quiet here over the past year.

-monz

>i was great.

Monz you still are! :-)

Manuel

oops...

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> hi Aaron,
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...>
> wrote:
>
> > Another question: how many of us have met any others of
> > us in the flesh?
>
>
> one of the most enjoyable trips i've ever taken was when
> i moved from Philadelphia to San Diego in February/March 2000.
> i took the long route, via Miami, and stopped to visit
> (and in most cases, meet for the first time) many tuning list
> subscribers (or former subscribers) who lived along my route.
> i was great.

that's: *it* was great.

-monz

On Monday 20 October 2003 04:42 am, monz wrote:
> oops...
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> > hi Aaron,
> >
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Another question: how many of us have met any others of
> > > us in the flesh?
> >
> > one of the most enjoyable trips i've ever taken was when
> > i moved from Philadelphia to San Diego in February/March 2000.
> > i took the long route, via Miami, and stopped to visit
> > (and in most cases, meet for the first time) many tuning list
> > subscribers (or former subscribers) who lived along my route.
> > i was great.
>
> that's: *it* was great.

That was funny!!!

-AKJ

Kurt-

These are all great ideas....I'd be happy to volunteer organizing a sign-up,
or initial interest sheet...

Any other helpers?

Another idea would be to have a rotating meeting place. Another would be to
throw a dart at a dartboard, and find (or not) the nearest metro area airport
and metro area.

Another idea would be for everyone to descend upon the Netherlands and squat
at Manuel op de Coul's place :)

-AKJ

On Monday 20 October 2003 02:08 am, Kurt Bigler wrote:
> on 10/19/03 10:21 PM, Aaron K. Johnson <akjmicro@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Tuners,
> >
> > I was talking to my wife how amazing it is that one can become familiar
> > with and comrades with people about a typically obscure subject thanks to
> > the internet....
> >
> > Right as I was about to tell her my idea, she thought the same idea at
> > the same time, and said it before me: Why not organize a random tuning
> > group get together somewhere in the country that (perhaps-Paul? maybe you
> > know the geometrical math of this) could be calculated by the center of
> > gravity of say, the 10 most prolific posters to the group.
>
> Basing on prolific posters would marginalize the benefit.
>
> Center of gravity is also not optimal. You might want to ask questions
> about clustering. But the best approach, I think, is to just have all the
> data out there, and let everybody organize it any way they want.
>
> So we could create a database of whatever information people thought
> useful, and do various things like do plots on a US map - but a simple list
> of cities and zip codes would also be quite useful for scanning to find
> people near you. Then just let things take their course - and they will!
>
> So a question is simply this: never mind "prolific". Who would want to
> participate? Each participant could then answer the questions:
>
> do want to have you info (names/addresses/email) made public
> do you want to have your info available to primary organizers
> who might help connect you with "nearby" people
>
> etc.
>
> The other question is who would want to do the organizing, and who can
> provide web resources, or whatever is needed to carry out the idea.
>
> > Another question: how many of us have met any others of us in the flesh?
>
> I have met with Carl Lumma. I have also met with Paul Bailey, a far-less
> frequent poster. The discovery of our relative localities happenned
> "spontaneously". Carl and I are both in Berkeley, CA.
>
> Perhaps there should be a list called tuning-community or something which
> could pursue the question of getting the community organized in various
> ways?
>
> On that list people could post messages like: "Hi joining the list. I
> live in Albequerque, and I am into Just Intonation and have a piano and am
> starting to work on composition." etc. Then a lot of organizational steps
> are avoided in favor of a coupletely loose approach.
>
> > Related question: anyone in the Chicago area, or know anyone personally
> > in the Chicago area who is into this tuning stuff but perhaps doesn't
> > post, or only posts infrequently?
> >
> > Anyway, I think it would be very fun....perhaps even a wierd movie script
> > could be born from it!
>
> Stay tuned!
>
> > -AKJ
>
>
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Careful, Aaron - remember what Arthur Koestler said: "Liking a writer and then meeting the writer is like liking goose liver and then meeting the goose."

:^D

Cheers,

Kyle

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...>

/tuning/topicId_48025.html#48025

wrote:
>
> Tuners,
>
> I was talking to my wife how amazing it is that one can become
familiar with
> and comrades with people about a typically obscure subject thanks
to the
> internet....
>
> Right as I was about to tell her my idea, she thought the same
idea at the
> same time, and said it before me: Why not organize a random tuning
group get
> together somewhere in the country that (perhaps-Paul? maybe you
know the
> geometrical math of this) could be calculated by the center of
gravity of
> say, the 10 most prolific posters to the group.
>

***This is a nice idea, Aaron, but quite frankly, it already has
taken place several times on both coasts. A couple of years ago
there was a Microfest in Claremont, California where several of us
attended, many of whom I had never met "in person" before... And,
similarly, there was a concert of the American Festival of
Microtonal Music in New York where I met others for the first time.

It is *indeed* an incredible experience to correspond at some length
with people and then eventually meet them personally.

An "out of body" experience... or maybe an "in body" experience.

Certainly Corporeal...

best,

JP

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...>
wrote:

> Another question: how many of us have met any others of us in the
>flesh?

i've spent a decent amount of time with carl, joseph, monz, johnny,
even manuel in the netherlands . . . and i've met quite a few others.
you'll find there's quite a concentration around san diego, which
unfortunately skews the center of gravity away from my corner of the
usa . . .

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...>
wrote:

> Another question: how many of us have met any others of us in the
flesh?

One data point: I've met Carl.

On Monday 20 October 2003 12:21 pm, Kyle Gann wrote:
> Careful, Aaron - remember what Arthur Koestler said: "Liking a writer
> and then meeting the writer is like liking goose liver and then
> meeting the goose."
>
> :^D
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kyle

great quote.....

and if it's true, all the more a great movie script!

best,
AKJ

On Monday 20 October 2003 01:23 pm, Paul Erlich wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...>
>
> wrote:
> > Another question: how many of us have met any others of us in the
> >flesh?
>
> i've spent a decent amount of time with carl, joseph, monz, johnny,
> even manuel in the netherlands . . . and i've met quite a few others.
> you'll find there's quite a concentration around san diego, which
> unfortunately skews the center of gravity away from my corner of the
> usa . . .

It's that whole west-coast hippie rebellion thing going on in California that
makes altered tuning so popular there (if you forgive my stereotyping).

-AKJ

On Monday 20 October 2003 01:23 pm, Paul Erlich wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...>
>
> wrote:
> > Another question: how many of us have met any others of us in the
> >flesh?
>
> i've spent a decent amount of time with carl, joseph, monz, johnny,
> even manuel in the netherlands . . . and i've met quite a few others.
> you'll find there's quite a concentration around san diego, which
> unfortunately skews the center of gravity away from my corner of the
> usa . . .

It seems llike the part of the country that suffers the most is the midwest.
New York, Boston, and California (San *) all have events tailored towards
music in a particular tuning, but not a hell of lot seems to happen in this
way in Chicago, great town thought it is in many other ways musically.
I mean, there's Blackwood, myself at the beginning of my writing, who else?

-AKJ

>It seems like the part of the country that suffers the most is the
>midwest.

Yeah, but that's not just microtonality. :)

>I mean, there's Blackwood, myself at the beginning of my writing,
>who else?

Harold Fortuin was in St. Paul IIRC... but moved to Boston recently?

I was in Bloomington '95-96, moved to Berkeley.

We obviously need you there!

-Carl

Guys,

Some of you seem to assume all the list member resides in the US. What about
good old Europe? I am in Madrid, for example. I can almost guarantee good
wether and excellent wine.

Carlos

On Monday 20 October 2003 07:21, Aaron K. Johnson wrote:
> Tuners,
>
> I was talking to my wife how amazing it is that one can become familiar
> with and comrades with people about a typically obscure subject thanks to
> the internet....
>
> Right as I was about to tell her my idea, she thought the same idea at the
> same time, and said it before me: Why not organize a random tuning group
> get together somewhere in the country that (perhaps-Paul? maybe you know
> the geometrical math of this) could be calculated by the center of gravity
> of say, the 10 most prolific posters to the group.
>
> Another question: how many of us have met any others of us in the flesh?
>
> Related question: anyone in the Chicago area, or know anyone personally in
> the Chicago area who is into this tuning stuff but perhaps doesn't post, or
> only posts infrequently?
>
> Anyway, I think it would be very fun....perhaps even a wierd movie script
> could be born from it!
>
> -AKJ

>Some of you seem to assume all the list member resides in the US. What
>about good old Europe? I am in Madrid, for example. I can almost
>guarantee good wether and excellent wine.

Sounds good to me!!

-Carl

>

the opposite is also true and happens. (liking the person more than music).

>
> From: "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: A get-together, based on 'center of gravity'.
>
> On Monday 20 October 2003 12:21 pm, Kyle Gann wrote:
> > Careful, Aaron - remember what Arthur Koestler said: "Liking a writer
> > and then meeting the writer is like liking goose liver and then
> > meeting the goose."
> >
> > :^D
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Kyle
>
> great quote.....
>
> and if it's true, all the more a great movie script!
>
> best,
> AKJ
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:38:37 -0000
> From: "Paul Erlich" <paul@stretch-music.com>
> Subject: Re: new Tuning Dictionary page: EDO prime errors
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, kraig grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
> > >
> >
> > Hello Maximiliano!
> > The problem i have with this way of thinking is that it is
> >possible the the 19th harmonic might
> > be preferred to a 6/5 which for many on this list is just not minor
> >enough
>
> that's another valid issue, but i think the basic issue of
> inconsistency should be clarified first, since it can apply to higher
> harmonics as well as lower ones:
>
> http://www.sonic-arts.org/dict/consiste.htm
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:42:26 -0500
> From: "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Re: A get-together, based on 'center of gravity'.
>
> On Monday 20 October 2003 01:23 pm, Paul Erlich wrote:
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Another question: how many of us have met any others of us in the
> > >flesh?
> >
> > i've spent a decent amount of time with carl, joseph, monz, johnny,
> > even manuel in the netherlands . . . and i've met quite a few others.
> > you'll find there's quite a concentration around san diego, which
> > unfortunately skews the center of gravity away from my corner of the
> > usa . . .
>
> It's that whole west-coast hippie rebellion thing going on in California that
> makes altered tuning so popular there (if you forgive my stereotyping).
>
> -AKJ
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:56:07 -0500
> From: "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Acoustic vs. Electronic (was Re: Steiner)
>
> On Monday 20 October 2003 01:17 pm, Bruce Kanzelmeyer wrote:
> > In my mind the whole problem with
> > this "new tunings" thing is being able to get good live performances.
> > Anyone involved in this music business understands the dimensional
> > difference between recordings/electronic synthesis, etc. and good live
> > performance--so the problem of actually writing good music that has
> > something universal to communicate and then training enough good musicians
> > to actually get into it and express it is monumental.
>
> I agree, and this is why, for now, I am sticking to writing for myself, or
> electronically, or improvising with percussion, and one other Turkish
> musician to whom this is not an alien business, who plays the oud, and is
> familiar with 53 tones per octave music.
>
> I don't want to even bother 'selling it' to those who don't 'get it'. Let
> someone else fight that battle. Maybe in the future I'll come into contact
> with people who are less indifferent about it.
>
> Anyway, I like the idea that machines can be as precise as possible about both
> pitch and rhythm, and the expressive element is what comes as a difficulty,
> but I'm convinced that its not impossible to make an expressive midi file,
> for example. And, with the right kind of music, 'inexpressive' is
> 'expressive'. (e.g. Nancarrow)
>
> But yes, the immediacy and spontaneity is gone, and that's a loss, as is the
> loss of the richness of acoustic sounds, which are a league above.
>
> -AKJ
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:04:26 -0500
> From: "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Re: A get-together, based on 'center of gravity'.
>
> On Monday 20 October 2003 01:23 pm, Paul Erlich wrote:
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Another question: how many of us have met any others of us in the
> > >flesh?
> >
> > i've spent a decent amount of time with carl, joseph, monz, johnny,
> > even manuel in the netherlands . . . and i've met quite a few others.
> > you'll find there's quite a concentration around san diego, which
> > unfortunately skews the center of gravity away from my corner of the
> > usa . . .
>
> It seems llike the part of the country that suffers the most is the midwest.
> New York, Boston, and California (San *) all have events tailored towards
> music in a particular tuning, but not a hell of lot seems to happen in this
> way in Chicago, great town thought it is in many other ways musically.
> I mean, there's Blackwood, myself at the beginning of my writing, who else?
>
> -AKJ
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
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-- -Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

hi Carlos,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Carlos <garciasuarez@y...> wrote:

> Guys,
>
> Some of you seem to assume all the list member resides in
> the US. What about good old Europe? I am in Madrid, for example.
> I can almost guarantee good wether and excellent wine.

count me in!

actually, when i mentioned my road-trip 2000 where i met
many American microtonalists, i forgot to say anything about
my trip to Europe a year later, when i met list-members
Manuel Op de Coul, Robert Walker, Graham Breed, Jan Haluska,
and Dominique Larre.

... in fact, i *did* squat at Manuel's for a couple of days!!
;-) (and at Dominique's too)

-monz

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson"
<akjmicro@c...> wrote:
> On Monday 20 October 2003 01:23 pm, Paul Erlich wrote:
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson"
<akjmicro@c...>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Another question: how many of us have met any others of
us in the
> > >flesh?
> >
> > i've spent a decent amount of time with carl, joseph, monz,
johnny,
> > even manuel in the netherlands . . . and i've met quite a few
others.
> > you'll find there's quite a concentration around san diego,
which
> > unfortunately skews the center of gravity away from my corner
of the
> > usa . . .
>
> It seems llike the part of the country that suffers the most is the
midwest.
> New York, Boston, and California (San *) all have events
tailored towards
> music in a particular tuning, but not a hell of lot seems to
happen in this
> way in Chicago, great town thought it is in many other ways
musically.
> I mean, there's Blackwood, myself at the beginning of my
writing, who else?
>
> -AKJ

Who else? good grief ... it's a big city - look around a little.
Chicago is not home only to you and Easley Blackwood. The
midwest is lacking? On the contrary, there is a legacy of
microtonality in the midwest. U of I - Partch and Johnston?
Hello?

Aaron Hunt

on 10/20/03 11:42 AM, Aaron K. Johnson <akjmicro@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Monday 20 October 2003 01:23 pm, Paul Erlich wrote:
>> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...>
>>
>> wrote:
>>> Another question: how many of us have met any others of us in the
>>> flesh?
>>
>> i've spent a decent amount of time with carl, joseph, monz, johnny,
>> even manuel in the netherlands . . . and i've met quite a few others.
>> you'll find there's quite a concentration around san diego, which
>> unfortunately skews the center of gravity away from my corner of the
>> usa . . .
>
> It's that whole west-coast hippie rebellion thing going on in California that
> makes altered tuning so popular there (if you forgive my stereotyping).

Well I am told that San Diego is full of people who are deeply into plastic
surgery, based on the local newspaper ads. But that must be a different
part of San Diego.

-Kurt

>
> -AKJ
>
>
>
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on 10/20/03 12:57 PM, kraig grady <kraiggrady@anaphoria.com> wrote:

>>
>
> the opposite is also true and happens. (liking the person more than music).

Yes, and this agrees with my own experience of geese and liver, liking the
goose better.

-Kurt

>
>>
>> From: "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: A get-together, based on 'center of gravity'.
>>
>> On Monday 20 October 2003 12:21 pm, Kyle Gann wrote:
>>> Careful, Aaron - remember what Arthur Koestler said: "Liking a writer
>>> and then meeting the writer is like liking goose liver and then
>>> meeting the goose."
>>>
>>> :^D
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Kyle
>>
>> great quote.....
>>
>> and if it's true, all the more a great movie script!
>>
>> best,
>> AKJ
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:38:37 -0000
>> From: "Paul Erlich" <paul@stretch-music.com>
>> Subject: Re: new Tuning Dictionary page: EDO prime errors
>>
>> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, kraig grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Maximiliano!
>>> The problem i have with this way of thinking is that it is
>>> possible the the 19th harmonic might
>>> be preferred to a 6/5 which for many on this list is just not minor
>>> enough
>>
>> that's another valid issue, but i think the basic issue of
>> inconsistency should be clarified first, since it can apply to higher
>> harmonics as well as lower ones:
>>
>> http://www.sonic-arts.org/dict/consiste.htm
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:42:26 -0500
>> From: "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: Re: A get-together, based on 'center of gravity'.
>>
>> On Monday 20 October 2003 01:23 pm, Paul Erlich wrote:
>>> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Another question: how many of us have met any others of us in the
>>>> flesh?
>>>
>>> i've spent a decent amount of time with carl, joseph, monz, johnny,
>>> even manuel in the netherlands . . . and i've met quite a few others.
>>> you'll find there's quite a concentration around san diego, which
>>> unfortunately skews the center of gravity away from my corner of the
>>> usa . . .
>>
>> It's that whole west-coast hippie rebellion thing going on in California that
>> makes altered tuning so popular there (if you forgive my stereotyping).
>>
>> -AKJ
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> Message: 19
>> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:56:07 -0500
>> From: "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: Acoustic vs. Electronic (was Re: Steiner)
>>
>> On Monday 20 October 2003 01:17 pm, Bruce Kanzelmeyer wrote:
>>> In my mind the whole problem with
>>> this "new tunings" thing is being able to get good live performances.
>>> Anyone involved in this music business understands the dimensional
>>> difference between recordings/electronic synthesis, etc. and good live
>>> performance--so the problem of actually writing good music that has
>>> something universal to communicate and then training enough good musicians
>>> to actually get into it and express it is monumental.
>>
>> I agree, and this is why, for now, I am sticking to writing for myself, or
>> electronically, or improvising with percussion, and one other Turkish
>> musician to whom this is not an alien business, who plays the oud, and is
>> familiar with 53 tones per octave music.
>>
>> I don't want to even bother 'selling it' to those who don't 'get it'. Let
>> someone else fight that battle. Maybe in the future I'll come into contact
>> with people who are less indifferent about it.
>>
>> Anyway, I like the idea that machines can be as precise as possible about
>> both
>> pitch and rhythm, and the expressive element is what comes as a difficulty,
>> but I'm convinced that its not impossible to make an expressive midi file,
>> for example. And, with the right kind of music, 'inexpressive' is
>> 'expressive'. (e.g. Nancarrow)
>>
>> But yes, the immediacy and spontaneity is gone, and that's a loss, as is the
>> loss of the richness of acoustic sounds, which are a league above.
>>
>> -AKJ
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> Message: 20
>> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:04:26 -0500
>> From: "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: Re: A get-together, based on 'center of gravity'.
>>
>> On Monday 20 October 2003 01:23 pm, Paul Erlich wrote:
>>> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Another question: how many of us have met any others of us in the
>>>> flesh?
>>>
>>> i've spent a decent amount of time with carl, joseph, monz, johnny,
>>> even manuel in the netherlands . . . and i've met quite a few others.
>>> you'll find there's quite a concentration around san diego, which
>>> unfortunately skews the center of gravity away from my corner of the
>>> usa . . .
>>
>> It seems llike the part of the country that suffers the most is the midwest.
>> New York, Boston, and California (San *) all have events tailored towards
>> music in a particular tuning, but not a hell of lot seems to happen in this
>> way in Chicago, great town thought it is in many other ways musically.
>> I mean, there's Blackwood, myself at the beginning of my writing, who else?
>>
>> -AKJ
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>
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--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Kurt Bigler <kkb@b...> wrote:
> on 10/20/03 11:42 AM, Aaron K. Johnson <akjmicro@c...> wrote:
>
> > [paul erlich]
> > > you'll find there's quite a concentration around san diego,
> > > which unfortunately skews the center of gravity away from
> > > my corner of the usa . . .
> >
> > It's that whole west-coast hippie rebellion thing going on
> > in California that makes altered tuning so popular there
> > (if you forgive my stereotyping).
>
> Well I am told that San Diego is full of people who are
> deeply into plastic surgery, based on the local newspaper ads.
> But that must be a different part of San Diego.

nah, it's all too true -- plastic surgery seems to be
*extremely* popular around here.

in general, what's seems to me to be happening is that
San Diego is just growing so fast that any sense of a
microtonal community has pretty much disappeared by now.

but still, there *are* a lot of us around here.
we just haven't been getting together much lately.

and, for the record, i know more people here that i'd call
"hippies" than anywhere else i've ever been. (i include myself.)

go figure ... the world's highest concentration of both
hippies *and* plastic-surgery-recipients ...

-monz

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:

> go figure ... the world's highest concentration of both
> hippies *and* plastic-surgery-recipients ...

I'm pretty sure that in terms of hippies per hundred Santa Cruz has
you beat.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
>
> > go figure ... the world's highest concentration of both
> > hippies *and* plastic-surgery-recipients ...
>
> I'm pretty sure that in terms of hippies per hundred Santa Cruz has
> you beat.

comment moved to metatuning.

-monz

On Monday 20 October 2003 02:42 pm, Carl Lumma wrote:
> >Some of you seem to assume all the list member resides in the US. What
> >about good old Europe? I am in Madrid, for example. I can almost
> >guarantee good wether and excellent wine.
>
> Sounds good to me!!
>
> -Carl

Hey, If I get boca bucks soon, I'm down for a trip to Spain!

-AKJ

On Monday 20 October 2003 04:20 pm, gooseplex wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson"
>
> <akjmicro@c...> wrote:
> > On Monday 20 October 2003 01:23 pm, Paul Erlich wrote:
> > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson"
>
> <akjmicro@c...>
>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Another question: how many of us have met any others of
>
> us in the
>
> > > >flesh?
> > >
> > > i've spent a decent amount of time with carl, joseph, monz,
>
> johnny,
>
> > > even manuel in the netherlands . . . and i've met quite a few
>
> others.
>
> > > you'll find there's quite a concentration around san diego,
>
> which
>
> > > unfortunately skews the center of gravity away from my corner
>
> of the
>
> > > usa . . .
> >
> > It seems llike the part of the country that suffers the most is the
>
> midwest.
>
> > New York, Boston, and California (San *) all have events
>
> tailored towards
>
> > music in a particular tuning, but not a hell of lot seems to
>
> happen in this
>
> > way in Chicago, great town thought it is in many other ways
>
> musically.
>
> > I mean, there's Blackwood, myself at the beginning of my
>
> writing, who else?
>
> > -AKJ
>
> Who else? good grief ... it's a big city - look around a little.
> Chicago is not home only to you and Easley Blackwood. The
> midwest is lacking? On the contrary, there is a legacy of
> microtonality in the midwest. U of I - Partch and Johnston?
> Hello?

Hey,

I meant a 'living tradition", meaning live active
composer-community.....Partch is dead since 1974, Johnston hasn't taught at U
of I since '83. But, I am looking, I just don't see it. If you Google "Just
Intonation Chicago", for example, the relevent pickings are slim.

If you have any leads, of course, feel free to share!

Best,
AKJ.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "gooseplex" <cfaah@e...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson"
> <akjmicro@c...> wrote:
> > On Monday 20 October 2003 01:23 pm, Paul Erlich wrote:
> > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" akjmicro@c...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Another question: how many of us have met any others of us
in the
> > > >flesh?
> > >
> > > i've spent a decent amount of time with carl, joseph, monz,
johnny,
> > > even manuel in the netherlands . . . and i've met quite a few
others.
> > > you'll find there's quite a concentration around san diego,
which
> > > unfortunately skews the center of gravity away from my corner
of the
> > > usa . . .
> >
> > It seems llike the part of the country that suffers the most is
the midwest.
> > New York, Boston, and California (San *) all have events tailored
towards
> > music in a particular tuning, but not a hell of lot seems to
happen in this
> > way in Chicago, great town thought it is in many other ways
musically.
> > I mean, there's Blackwood, myself at the beginning of my writing,
who else?
> >
> > -AKJ
>
> Who else? good grief ... it's a big city - look around a little.
> Chicago is not home only to you and Easley Blackwood. The
> midwest is lacking? On the contrary, there is a legacy of
> microtonality in the midwest. U of I - Partch and Johnston?
> Hello?
>
> Aaron Hunt

I was born and raised in Chicago and did most of my 20th-century
microtonal work there. The Chicago area (Mount Prospect and
Schaumburg) was also the place that Motorola Scalatrons were designed
and built. In the years that I lived there, I met Erv Wilson, John
Chalmers, and Easley Blackwood, and in the course of travel promoting
the Scalatron, I also met Ben Johnston, Lou Harrison, Danlee
Mitchell, Anton de Beer, Leigh Gerdine, Don Ellis, Ivor Darreg, Larry
Hanson, Jonathan Glasier, and others.

I moved to Los Angeles in 1979 with the expectation that I would be
in more frequent contact with others working with alternate tunings,
but that did not turn out to be the case. (But I did meet Genn Prior
and Kraig Grady.) My daughter was born a year later, and the ensuing
responsibilities led to my decision to put my microtonal activities
indefinitely on hold.

I moved back to the Midwest in 1987 (southern Illinois), and about 6
years ago I decided to start work on a book on microtonality. Since
establishing contact with a few members of the Tuning List a couple
of years ago, the book has been put on hold, while my microtonal work
is now proceeding at a pace faster than I ever expected -- in spite
of the fact that I haven't laid eyes on any other microtonalists in
over 15 years. Once the work on the development and documentation of
the Sagittal notation is completed, I expect to devote more time to
composing (and also getting back to working on that book).

Aaron J., I visit the Chicago area occasionally, and if you want to
get together sometime, please let me know. But even if you don't
have the opportuning to see others face to face, I think that a
support group like the Tuning List is a valuable resource that can't
be matched by a smaller, less varied group in a single locality.

--George

on 20/10/03 20:39, Carlos at garciasuarez@ya.com wrote:

> Guys,
>
> Some of you seem to assume all the list member resides in the US. What about
> good old Europe? I am in Madrid, for example. I can almost guarantee good
> wether and excellent wine.
>
> Carlos
>
>
Yeah - and don't forget Bonnie Scotland where it pisses with freezing rain
and everyone gets drunk and fights with each other. The perfect environment
for microtonality.

Sincerely
a.m.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...>

/tuning/topicId_48025.html#48059
wrote:
> On Monday 20 October 2003 01:23 pm, Paul Erlich wrote:
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Another question: how many of us have met any others of us in
the
> > >flesh?
> >
> > i've spent a decent amount of time with carl, joseph, monz,
johnny,
> > even manuel in the netherlands . . . and i've met quite a few
others.
> > you'll find there's quite a concentration around san diego, which
> > unfortunately skews the center of gravity away from my corner of
the
> > usa . . .
>
> It seems llike the part of the country that suffers the most is the
midwest.
> New York, Boston, and California (San *) all have events tailored
towards
> music in a particular tuning, but not a hell of lot seems to happen
in this
> way in Chicago, great town thought it is in many other ways
musically.
> I mean, there's Blackwood, myself at the beginning of my writing,
who else?
>
> -AKJ

***Huh? Blackwood is a lot...

How about the University of Illinois? Partch was there for some time
as I recall.

And, the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor was a hotbed of all
kinds of experimentation.

(My midwest "roots" are showing...)

JP

On Tuesday 21 October 2003 10:54 pm, Joseph Pehrson wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...>
>
> /tuning/topicId_48025.html#48059
>
> wrote:
> > On Monday 20 October 2003 01:23 pm, Paul Erlich wrote:
> > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...>
> > >
> > > wrote:

> > It seems llike the part of the country that suffers the most is the
>
> midwest.
>
> > New York, Boston, and California (San *) all have events tailored
>
> towards
>
> > music in a particular tuning, but not a hell of lot seems to happen
>
> in this
>
> > way in Chicago, great town thought it is in many other ways
>
> musically.
>
> > I mean, there's Blackwood, myself at the beginning of my writing,
>
> who else?
>
> > -AKJ
>
> ***Huh? Blackwood is a lot...
>
> How about the University of Illinois? Partch was there for some time
> as I recall.
>
> And, the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor was a hotbed of all
> kinds of experimentation.
>
> (My midwest "roots" are showing...)
>

Joseph,
See my earlier response to Aaron Hunt re:'living tradition' ;)

Best,
AKJ