project: Partch _Daphne_ in HEWM notation

i have a proposal for a college student looking for a project:

a re-notation of the score to Partch's _Daphne of the Dunes_
into HEWM-JI notation.

Partch's original score is in his tablature-like notations.

A version of the score was translated into Ben Johnston's
JI notation by Glenn Hackbarth, and is in his dissertation:

Hackbarth, G. A. 1979.
"An Analysis of Harry Partch's "Daphine on the Dunes."
Ph. D diss. U of Michigan, Ann Arbor.

reference to HEWM:
http://sonic-arts.org/dict/hewm.htm

please contact me offlist regarding this:
monz(AT)tonalsoft.com

-monz

Daniel Wolf said that both he and Adam Silverman have made
translations of Daphne of the Dunes but never had any answer from
Danlee Mitchell, so they cant release them, very frustrating. (I have
seen Daniel's translations -- all by hand, very beautiful). I think
that Daphne of the Sunes is not so interesting for JI analysis
because it is full of "irrational" effects, like playing strings on
the wrong side of the bridge. And the cloud chamber bowls are not
clear about pitch from the score.

Gabor

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> i have a proposal for a college student looking for a project:
>
> a re-notation of the score to Partch's _Daphne of the Dunes_
> into HEWM-JI notation.
>
>
>
> Partch's original score is in his tablature-like notations.
>
>
> A version of the score was translated into Ben Johnston's
> JI notation by Glenn Hackbarth, and is in his dissertation:
>
> Hackbarth, G. A. 1979.
> "An Analysis of Harry Partch's "Daphine on the Dunes."
> Ph. D diss. U of Michigan, Ann Arbor.
>
>
> reference to HEWM:
> http://sonic-arts.org/dict/hewm.htm
>
>
> please contact me offlist regarding this:
> monz(AT)tonalsoft.com
>
>
>
> -monz

Likewise, Gabor, Marc Behm had renotated all of Partch's Li Po Songs in Ben
Johnston's notation. They are sitting somewhere dusty right now. Johnny

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_47546.html#47546

> i have a proposal for a college student looking for a project:
>
> a re-notation of the score to Partch's _Daphne of the Dunes_
> into HEWM-JI notation.
>
>
>
> Partch's original score is in his tablature-like notations.
>
>
> A version of the score was translated into Ben Johnston's
> JI notation by Glenn Hackbarth, and is in his dissertation:
>
> Hackbarth, G. A. 1979.
> "An Analysis of Harry Partch's "Daphine on the Dunes."
> Ph. D diss. U of Michigan, Ann Arbor.
>

***Just incidentally... Glenn Harkbarth is an excellent composer.
I've been wanting to present one of his works someday...

>
> reference to HEWM:
> http://sonic-arts.org/dict/hewm.htm
>
>
>
***You realize, Monz, of course, that this is real heresy to the
Partch crowd, even to Johnny Reinhard... who deplores the similar
attempt at 72-tET Partch that Ted Mook did... (that's just a couple
of list-weeks back...)

Joe P.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "alternativetuning"
<alternativetuning@y...> wrote:

> Daniel Wolf said that both he and Adam Silverman have made
> translations of Daphne of the Dunes but never had any answer
> from Danlee Mitchell, so they cant release them, very
> frustrating. (I have seen Daniel's translations -- all by
> hand, very beautiful). I think that Daphne of the Sunes is
> not so interesting for JI analysis because it is full
> of "irrational" effects, like playing strings on the wrong
> side of the bridge. And the cloud chamber bowls are not
> clear about pitch from the score.
>
> Gabor

i only chose _Daphne_ because a translation of it into
Johnston notation is already readily available in Hackbarth's
dissertation. translating any other Partch score (other than
the Li-Po lyrics) would entail deciphering Partch's tablatures
first.

so it's still up to Danlee, eh? i'll have to discuss this
with him. i see him fairly regularly, since he keeps his
instruments in the garage right under my apartment.

-monz

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
>
> /tuning/topicId_47546.html#47546
>
> > i have a proposal for a college student looking for a project:
> >
> > a re-notation of the score to Partch's _Daphne of the Dunes_
> > into HEWM-JI notation.
> >
> >
> >
> > Partch's original score is in his tablature-like notations.
> >
> >
> > A version of the score was translated into Ben Johnston's
> > JI notation by Glenn Hackbarth, and is in his dissertation:
> >
> > Hackbarth, G. A. 1979.
> > "An Analysis of Harry Partch's "Daphine on the Dunes."
> > Ph. D diss. U of Michigan, Ann Arbor.
> >
>
> ***Just incidentally... Glenn Harkbarth is an excellent composer.
> I've been wanting to present one of his works someday...
>
>
> >
> > reference to HEWM:
> > http://sonic-arts.org/dict/hewm.htm
> >
> >
> >
> ***You realize, Monz, of course, that this is real heresy to the
> Partch crowd, even to Johnny Reinhard... who deplores the similar
> attempt at 72-tET Partch that Ted Mook did... (that's just a
> couple of list-weeks back...)

oops ... i just made a reference to the Li-Po songs as
transcribed into Johnston notation ... make that Sims-72edo.

anyway, no, Joe, you've got me wrong here. i'm not suggesting
transcribing _Daphne_ into 72edo-HEWM (which is the simplified
version of HEWM), but rather, into the full JI-HEWM notation.

there should be no reason for the Partch crowd to object to
this, as it scrupulously preserves every aspect of Partch's
tuning except the dang ratios themselves. i just think that
JI-HEWM is *far* preferable to Johnston JI notation.

that's the whole reason for the request for this project
... i hope to convince Schott how much better HEWM is for
Partch's scores before they actually do go ahead and publish
them all in Johnston transcriptions, which is the plan so far.

-monz

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> that's the whole reason for the request for this project
> ... i hope to convince Schott how much better HEWM is for
> Partch's scores before they actually do go ahead and publish
> them all in Johnston transcriptions, which is the plan so far.

I have no idea where you got this information, but as of today I don't believe it to be correct. The intention of the Schott scores were that they would be facsimile scores, preserving Partch's scores in the original notation. If they have changed and are either adding another 'notation' or removing Partch's original in favor of something else, they may very well be in breach of contract.

But what do I know? I've just lived with the stuff for 30 years...

Cheers,
Jon

hi Jon,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> > that's the whole reason for the request for this project
> > ... i hope to convince Schott how much better HEWM is for
> > Partch's scores before they actually do go ahead and publish
> > them all in Johnston transcriptions, which is the plan so far.
>
> I have no idea where you got this information, but as of
> today I don't believe it to be correct. The intention of
> the Schott scores were that they would be facsimile scores,
> preserving Partch's scores in the original notation. If they
> have changed and are either adding another 'notation' or
> removing Partch's original in favor of something else, they
> may very well be in breach of contract.
>
> But what do I know? I've just lived with the stuff for 30 years...

oops ... i should have added an "AFAIK" at the end of my post.

i'm sure you're more well-informed about this than i am.
sorry. i'm not sure where i got the idea that Schott intended
to use Johnston notation. i wrote to them when i first found
out about their plans to publish the Partch scores, but their
response was very brief and pretty vague, and there's been
no correspondence since then.

-monz

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_47546.html#47584

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
wrote:
>
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> >
> > /tuning/topicId_47546.html#47546
> >
> > > i have a proposal for a college student looking for a project:
> > >
> > > a re-notation of the score to Partch's _Daphne of the Dunes_
> > > into HEWM-JI notation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Partch's original score is in his tablature-like notations.
> > >
> > >
> > > A version of the score was translated into Ben Johnston's
> > > JI notation by Glenn Hackbarth, and is in his dissertation:
> > >
> > > Hackbarth, G. A. 1979.
> > > "An Analysis of Harry Partch's "Daphine on the Dunes."
> > > Ph. D diss. U of Michigan, Ann Arbor.
> > >
> >
> > ***Just incidentally... Glenn Harkbarth is an excellent
composer.
> > I've been wanting to present one of his works someday...
> >
> >
> > >
> > > reference to HEWM:
> > > http://sonic-arts.org/dict/hewm.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ***You realize, Monz, of course, that this is real heresy to the
> > Partch crowd, even to Johnny Reinhard... who deplores the similar
> > attempt at 72-tET Partch that Ted Mook did... (that's just a
> > couple of list-weeks back...)
>
>
> oops ... i just made a reference to the Li-Po songs as
> transcribed into Johnston notation ... make that Sims-72edo.
>
>
> anyway, no, Joe, you've got me wrong here. i'm not suggesting
> transcribing _Daphne_ into 72edo-HEWM (which is the simplified
> version of HEWM), but rather, into the full JI-HEWM notation.
>

***Got it, Monz... I wasn't entirely clear on that.

Joe P.

That Schott has taken so long on publishing these scores is ridiculous.
the man has been dead 30 years and how long does it take to put out
copies of the manuscript. As far as other notations, Johnson is no
better, in fact worse than Wilsons which is far more consistant.
Considering his butchering of Harry work for string quartet is enough
grounds from keeping his name as far as way as possible. The latter in
turn would rightfully reject the idea of the scores coming out in his
notation and for good reason. Thewy should exist in the form he put them
possibly with footnotes for correction by those who know of his mistakes

If the scores are not out in three years i will quite seriously consider
putting them out for free. i already have a copy of Castor and Pollux .
10 minutes and it could be up. a 20 minute drive and i will grab the
rest and put them up, one page a day. I ask some one to forward that to
the publishers.

One could bring up the question if Partch is in better shape now
than say 20 years ago. his message has been castrated ( well he didn't
really mean that) , his compositions homogenized into the "mainstream",
and his instruments have been decorporealized (virtualized).

If it wasn't for the copies of his original productions, he would be
totally destroyed.
what exist second hand and available to the masses has made him
incomprehensible.
For the most part, they have furthered their own status at the expense
of his.
More people have been turned off of Partch, maybe for good, by such
activities.
This i know from personal experience, and i know others who have
expressed the same

possibly they could make some prints of Rothko and brighten up the
colors to expose all those who don't know his work

And please spare me from the notion that it will expose more people to
his work. go into the store and you can get them.
I have been hearing now for 30 years how this and that compromised
music or pop band is going to expand ears of the masses. Well 30 years
of this justification and the masses taste are more trite than it has
ever been.

Kurt Weill is in far better shape. you are not allowed to so much as
change the key to a song, or do different arrangements of his work
without jumping through a hoop. Just try and you will be notified
immediately by the estate.

I understand this has been circumvented by legal loopholes with Partch's
work by using previous versions. (disclaimer: one such ensemble does
this until they can get the other instruments made, so in this way it
more closely resembles the way that Partch had to perform them, they
work toward the later versions at great sacrifice and to themselves))
Imagine if i performed a Doors tune/poem based on an early draft in
order to avoid the copywright 30 years from now and give it a britney to
sing. Some how the practice of doing this to Partch's work is acceptable
.
Wekll guess what, it is not

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