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Blackjack variations on 12-tET, bad or good??

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@rcn.com>

6/28/2003 10:00:18 PM

Well, another thing is coming up now in Blackjack composition. In
using more a "listening" method rather than a slavish lattice plot,
I'm coming upon chord progressions that I know from 12-tET, and I'm
using them anyway, even though the relationships are more remote (say
11-limit maybe) and certainly not just, or not really endemic to
Blackjack.

Any opinions as to whether this practice is a good or bad one?? It
seems somewhat inevitable considering my years of experience
listening to 12-equal...

J. Pehrson

🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@yahoo.com>

6/30/2003 11:26:54 AM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> Well, another thing is coming up now in Blackjack composition. In
> using more a "listening" method rather than a slavish lattice plot,
> I'm coming upon chord progressions that I know from 12-tET, and I'm
> using them anyway, even though the relationships are more remote
(say
> 11-limit maybe) and certainly not just, or not really endemic to
> Blackjack.
>
> Any opinions as to whether this practice is a good or bad one?? It
> seems somewhat inevitable considering my years of experience
> listening to 12-equal...
>
> J. Pehrson

i don't get how progressions that you know from 12-equal are "11-
limit maybe" . . . can you give some examples?

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@rcn.com>

6/30/2003 6:47:20 PM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"

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> i don't get how progressions that you know from 12-equal are "11-
> limit maybe" . . . can you give some examples?

***He, he... I *knew* you were going to ask for examples, Paul! :)

Well, probably they're not 11-limit relationships, but other
relationship in Blackjack "substituting" for 12-equal.

Soon, I'm going to be in the process of translating my new Blackjack
woodwind quintet into 72-tET notation, and when I do that, I will
give you some examples of what I consider "faux" 12-tET.

Generally speaking, I try to "sprechen sie Blackjack" as it were, but
sometimes I enjoy using a "faux 12" chord, 'cause I hear it...

Essentially, as you can guess, I mean chords that have some semblance
of functional 12-equal harmony but which are "faux" or "substitutes"
for that system and are only approximated in Blackjack. But they
have a weird charm.

More specific examples will come soon. That will be fun. Maybe I
don't know what I'm talking about, which might not be so much fun,
but it *will* be fun straightening it all out... :)

Thanks!

Joseph

🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@yahoo.com>

6/30/2003 10:48:55 PM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:

> More specific examples will come soon. That will be fun.

looking forward to it . . .