for the record

Although I was studying computer science, at Bloomington,
all students are able to take classes at the world-class
conservatory there -- it's why I chose IU. But I didn't
study any free-pitched instruments. I took a semester of
composition and two semesters each of jazz piano and music
theory. No mention was made of tuning that I remember.

-Carl

Very good Carl!
IU is a very good University!

I studied at Chicago Musical College.
I had 7 semesters of composition,
8 semesters of theory, and studied
8 semesters of classical guitar.
I have a Bachelors's Degree in music.
There was NEVER any mention of tunings,
temperament and composers of
microtonalism!! All I ever studied
was in the 12 tone system and
serialism in the standard 12 tone
system!! Kind of strange.....since
Harry Partch was writing microtonal
in the 1930's....and other composers
had also written in different
temperaments!! I found out
about microtonalism from this
group, I have purchased books
from The Just Intonation catalog
(David Doty) and went to the
library on the subject!!
It's a bloody shame universitys
and colleges of music are not
teaching this material!!
I wish I had known about this
some years ago when I was first
composing. I'm starting to write
my compositions in different
temperaments now (19 tone)!!

Thanks to EVERYONE IN THIS GROUP!!
You ALL have alot of information
and I really appreciate everyone
for sharing their knowledge of
different tunings and temperament!!

Thanks!
Joel

--- Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org> wrote:
> Although I was studying computer science, at
> Bloomington,
> all students are able to take classes at the
> world-class
> conservatory there -- it's why I chose IU. But I
> didn't
> study any free-pitched instruments. I took a
> semester of
> composition and two semesters each of jazz piano and
> music
> theory. No mention was made of tuning that I
> remember.
>
> -Carl
>
>

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--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Joel Hickman <joelhickman_1999@y...> wrote:
> Kind of strange.....since
> Harry Partch was writing microtonal
> in the 1930's....and other composers
> had also written in different
> temperaments!!

And imagine: he/they didn't even have the Internet, or tuning forums, to get them going.

Pioneers.

Cheers,
Jon

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Joel Hickman <joelhickman_1999@y...> wrote:
> Very good Carl!
> IU is a very good University!

Hey, I studied at IU too. Alas, it was in the philosophy and
philosophy of science departments.

> I wish I had known about this
> some years ago when I was first
> composing. I'm starting to write
> my compositions in different
> temperaments now (19 tone)!!

How are you using 19 tones?

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Joel Hickman <joelhickman_1999@y...>

/tuning/topicId_44510.html#44528

wrote:
> Very good Carl!
> IU is a very good University!
>
> I studied at Chicago Musical College.
> I had 7 semesters of composition,
> 8 semesters of theory, and studied
> 8 semesters of classical guitar.
> I have a Bachelors's Degree in music.
> There was NEVER any mention of tunings,
> temperament and composers of
> microtonalism!! All I ever studied
> was in the 12 tone system and
> serialism in the standard 12 tone
> system!! Kind of strange.....since
> Harry Partch was writing microtonal
> in the 1930's....and other composers
> had also written in different
> temperaments!! I found out
> about microtonalism from this
> group, I have purchased books
> from The Just Intonation catalog
> (David Doty) and went to the
> library on the subject!!
> It's a bloody shame universitys
> and colleges of music are not
> teaching this material!!
> I wish I had known about this
> some years ago when I was first
> composing. I'm starting to write
> my compositions in different
> temperaments now (19 tone)!!
>
> Thanks to EVERYONE IN THIS GROUP!!
> You ALL have alot of information
> and I really appreciate everyone
> for sharing their knowledge of
> different tunings and temperament!!
>
> Thanks!
> Joel
>
> --- Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:
> > Although I was studying computer science, at
> > Bloomington,
> > all students are able to take classes at the
> > world-class
> > conservatory there -- it's why I chose IU. But I
> > didn't
> > study any free-pitched instruments. I took a
> > semester of
> > composition and two semesters each of jazz piano and
> > music
> > theory. No mention was made of tuning that I
> > remember.
> >
> > -Carl
> >

***I have to admit of *one* experience at Michigan, Leslie Bassett's
composition seminar. By the way, this was one of the most *fun*
classes I ever had at school. It wasn't just Bassett, the Michigan
composition department always had these seminars on Fridays, the last
thing, maybe from about 3PM to 6PM. Everybody was in a semi-serious
mood, but there was also the Weekend coming up, and it seemed to add
to an underlying *party* subliminal chord. That and the fact that
composition was so strong both at that school and in the entire city
of Ann Arbor, among some "anti-academic" composers who just hung
around to make "trouble..." (That's, of course where the ONCE group
was started, Gordon Mumma, Bob Ashley, of course, Lucier....)

Annnnyway, one fellow who had studied at University of Illinois
brough in Partch's _Genesis of a Music_. Since I was only in my 20's
at the time, I knew little about Partch and my first impression was
that he was some kind of "wacko..." (apologies to all...) However,
we went through the book some at the seminar and I remember being
quite impressed (naturally) by it, and started taking Partch
seriously.

So, I guess there really *was* something about Tuning at Michigan at
that time... at least in this seminar...

J. Pehrson

> composing. I'm starting to write
> my compositions in different
> temperaments now (19 tone)!!

What instrument are you using as a basis for composing in it? If you
were to refret a classical guitar, it's a very good vehicle for
composing in 19-tet... /Ö

At the moment, I'm trying to
retune my piano to 19 equal tone.
I want to buy a used classical
guitar to experiment on for
different tunings.
I have been composing in 19
equal tone for cello and other
fretless instruments.
Joel

--- Mats �ljare <oljare@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > composing. I'm starting to write
> > my compositions in different
> > temperaments now (19 tone)!!
>
> What instrument are you using as a basis for
> composing in it? If you
> were to refret a classical guitar, it's a very good
> vehicle for
> composing in 19-tet... /�
>
>

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--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Joel Hickman <joelhickman_1999@y...> wrote:
> At the moment, I'm trying to
> retune my piano to 19 equal tone.

You might consider cauldron as an alternative; it's ciculating.