error on Blackjack tetrad sheet??

Hi Paul,

Well, I'm still using the Blackjack tetrad sheets, but more
for "background" and not so much for composing.

Is there an error, though at the very beginning?

It says F3 C4 F4 A#4 is a 4:5:6:7 and the pitches are

Ab^:Db^:Eb^:F#v

shouldn't that be:

Ab^:C:Eb^:F#v ??

thanks!

Joseph

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> Well, I'm still using the Blackjack tetrad sheets, but more
> for "background" and not so much for composing.
>
> Is there an error, though at the very beginning?
>
> It says F3 C4 F4 A#4 is a 4:5:6:7 and the pitches are
>
> Ab^:Db^:Eb^:F#v
>
> shouldn't that be:
>
> Ab^:C:Eb^:F#v ??
>
> thanks!
>
> Joseph

hmm . . . was dave keenan the one who translated these to the
"standard" key?

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"

/tuning/topicId_44301.html#44314

<wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
> wrote:
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > Well, I'm still using the Blackjack tetrad sheets, but more
> > for "background" and not so much for composing.
> >
> > Is there an error, though at the very beginning?
> >
> > It says F3 C4 F4 A#4 is a 4:5:6:7 and the pitches are
> >
> > Ab^:Db^:Eb^:F#v
> >
> > shouldn't that be:
> >
> > Ab^:C:Eb^:F#v ??
> >
> > thanks!
> >
> > Joseph
>
> hmm . . . was dave keenan the one who translated these to the
> "standard" key?

***Yes, well, I fixed that obvious error. It doesn't look like there
are others, but you might want to take a look if you get a chance:

/tuning/files/Pehrson/

JP

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
<wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> hmm . . . was dave keenan the one who translated these to the
> "standard" key?

My humble apologies.

By the way, I notice that you and Joseph are putting the word
"standard" in scare-quotes. Could it be (surely no) that this meant to
imply that there is someone somewhere, (heaven forbid) who is _not_
using the standard key (gasp)! Just let me know who they are and I'll
send the boys around with the thumb-screws to re-educate them.

Hee hee.

Or might it instead refer to the likelihood that there are maybe only
two people in the entire universe who will ever compose in Blackjack
and so the need for a standard is somewhat debatable.

Ho ho.

-- Dave Keenan

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Keenan" <D.KEENAN@U...> wrote:

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> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
> <wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> > hmm . . . was dave keenan the one who translated these to the
> > "standard" key?
>
> My humble apologies.
>
> By the way, I notice that you and Joseph are putting the word
> "standard" in scare-quotes. Could it be (surely no) that this
meant to
> imply that there is someone somewhere, (heaven forbid) who is _not_
> using the standard key (gasp)! Just let me know who they are and
I'll
> send the boys around with the thumb-screws to re-educate them.
>
> Hee hee.
>
> Or might it instead refer to the likelihood that there are maybe
only
> two people in the entire universe who will ever compose in
Blackjack
> and so the need for a standard is somewhat debatable.
>
> Ho ho.
>
> -- Dave Keenan

***Hi Dave!

But Blackjack made it to the New Yorker! So, it is my presumption
that in a couple of years the majority of microtonalists in America
will be composing in Blackjack...

Joseph

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> ***Hi Dave!
>
> But Blackjack made it to the New Yorker!

That's wonderful!

> So, it is my presumption
> that in a couple of years the majority of microtonalists in America
> will be composing in Blackjack...
>
> Joseph

Of course.

I must say, it is very exciting listening to what you do with this
tuning. I can hardly wait for the next outing.

One thing I'm keen to hear (and probably many others are too) is just
what you talked about with Paul recently on the list; melodic entities
or melodic gestalts. More about that in followup to those messages.

-- Dave Keenan

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Keenan" <D.KEENAN@U...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_44301.html#45025

>
> I must say, it is very exciting listening to what you do with this
> tuning. I can hardly wait for the next outing.

***I hope to post Dan Barrett's great performance of _Blacklight_ to
the Internet soon, as soon as I get rid of so-called "C3" errors in
the CD before ripping... :(

>
> One thing I'm keen to hear (and probably many others are too) is
just what you talked about with Paul recently on the list; melodic
entities or melodic gestalts. More about that in followup to those
messages.
>

***Yes, I'm finding the "every other note" Blackjack scale to sound
too much like 12-equal to be interesting in *my* concept of
the "Blackjack idea..." Similarly the "every three note" of the
Mohajira, which sounds too much like the diatonic scale. Dullsville.

And Paul is right that just progressing linearly with the scale can
be less than enthralling.

So, the "melodic gestalts" are *slowly* emerging as possible
Blackjack paradigms... through active composing, just as the *sound*
and *use* of the lattices is becoming "freer" and more intuitive
through greater experience...

Just FYI, I plan to use Blackjack exclusively for, possibly, several
years as my "microtonal choice." I'm echoing a Kraig Grady idea
there, that one really has to be extensively immersed in a tuning
before one really begins to understand how to use it...

J. Pehrson