Mills College CD

Well, I was absolutely unaware of the Mills College Tuning List CD of
1998 until John Loffink sent me a copy. What a great CD!

Several of the pieces I had heard on the Tuning Punks, but there were
several I had not heard.

This must have taken place about a year before I joined the Tuning
List in 1999, maybe actually 2 years before since it took time to put
it together. Neil Haverstick really did a tremendous job and was
obviously a great proponent of the lists back then.

This CD rather belies the sometime criticism that no "real" music
comes out of this microtonal community...

I was wondering, though, about some of the people on the CD and
whether they had actually taken part on Tuning List discussions back
in the "olden days..."

How about Stephen James Taylor?

Warren Burt? I know him, but was he really on the Tuning List??

Richard Sanford??

Denny Genovese (are you sure he isn't "Microtonal Mafia...?") Was he
actually a Tuning List participant? (Brilliant piece, by the way...)

Carter Schloz? I've actually heard of him in the "big composer
world" I believe. Great piece. Was he actually a list participant??

The others I know.

I guess I want to know if these people were "offshoots" of the
community, or if they actually took part in discussions. I guess it
really doesn't matter, but I'm rather curious if that was part of the
criterion for inclusion by Haverstick on the CD.

Well, certainly Haverstick knows how to make something out of thin
air!

J. Pehrson

Joe,

--- In tuning@y..., "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> Well, I was absolutely unaware of the Mills College Tuning List
> CD of 1998 until John Loffink sent me a copy. What a great CD!

Yup, pretty good.

> How about Stephen James Taylor?

A few posts, IIRC.

> Warren Burt? I know him, but was he really on the Tuning List??

Sure, from time to time. He's also been at MicroFests as well.

> Richard Sanford??

Not sure.

> Denny Genovese. Was he actually a Tuning List participant?
> (Brilliant piece, by the way...)

To a certain extent, I think when he was at the SEJI Center. His piece may have been submitted by someone on his behalf.

> Carter Schloz? I've actually heard of him in the "big composer
> world" I believe. Great piece. Was he actually a list
> participant??

Occasionally.

> I guess I want to know if these people were "offshoots" of the
> community, or if they actually took part in discussions.

There were certainly discussions, but in the earlier days a lot of the list stuff, hmmm, how to put this. There was discussion, yes, but it seemed like more of the participants were active composers/performers. The list was smaller, mind you, but while there was talk, there seemed to be some musical activity at a higher occurance as well. Times change.

Not to say there weren't flame-fests, too! Also, so it doesn't seem so skewed, that compilation came about over a moderately long length of time. Gary Morrison was quite active in compilation as well.

Ah, the good old days... :)

> Well, certainly Haverstick knows how to make something out of thin
> air!

It wasn't as thin as it may have seemed (or seems now).

Cheers,
Jon

Joe,

I didn't want the previous reply to give the impression that the amount of music being created back then was greater. One reason a tape and/or CD exists is that it was not feasible to post music the way people are now, either through a semi-commercial site like mp3.com (the Tuning Punks site) or through posting occasional mp3's to one of the Yahoo tuning lists. Thus, a couple of compilations from that era.

But it's easier now. Why, just tonight, Prent Rodgers reared his head again...

Cheers,
Jon

--- In tuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> Joe,
>
> --- In tuning@y..., "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> > Well, I was absolutely unaware of the Mills College Tuning List
> > CD of 1998 until John Loffink sent me a copy. What a great CD!
>
> Yup, pretty good.

But can it be obtained?

--- In tuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_41348.html#41349

>
> There were certainly discussions, but in the earlier days a lot of
the list stuff, hmmm, how to put this. There was discussion, yes, but
it seemed like more of the participants were active
composers/performers. The list was smaller, mind you, but while there
was talk, there seemed to be some musical activity at a higher
occurance as well. Times change.
>
> Not to say there weren't flame-fests, too! Also, so it doesn't seem
so skewed, that compilation came about over a moderately long length
of time. Gary Morrison was quite active in compilation as well.
>
> Ah, the good old days... :)
>
> > Well, certainly Haverstick knows how to make something out of
thin
> > air!
>
> It wasn't as thin as it may have seemed (or seems now).
>
> Cheers,
> Jon

***Hi Jon,

Thanks for the history... I guess I meant in the last line that he
did a "creatio ex nihilo," no aspersions on the list or participants
intended...

JP

--- In tuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_41348.html#41351

> Joe,
>
> I didn't want the previous reply to give the impression that the
amount of music being created back then was greater. One reason a
tape and/or CD exists is that it was not feasible to post music the
way people are now, either through a semi-commercial site like
mp3.com (the Tuning Punks site) or through posting occasional mp3's
to one of the Yahoo tuning lists. Thus, a couple of compilations from
that era.
>
> But it's easier now. Why, just tonight, Prent Rodgers reared his
head again...
>
> Cheers,
> Jon

***Hi Jon,

I guess we have to keep in mind that there are more lists, too...
like your "practical" MMM list, etc., etc...

JP

--- In tuning@y..., "Gene Ward Smith" <genewardsmith@j...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_41348.html#41354

> --- In tuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> > Joe,
> >
> > --- In tuning@y..., "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> > > Well, I was absolutely unaware of the Mills College Tuning List
> > > CD of 1998 until John Loffink sent me a copy. What a great CD!
> >
> > Yup, pretty good.
>
> But can it be obtained?

***Well, John Loffink gave me a copy, but he has a nice piece on the
CD, so that may be why he had a few extras.

I suppose Neil Haverstick would be the person to ask...

Of course, somebody could easily *duplicate* it as well... I don't
believe it was a "fully commercial" release...

I think a little more than half of the pieces are on the Tuning
Punks, but there must have been 5 or 6 that I hadn't heard. Nice
ones, too.

Why is it that "alternately tuned" music holds my attention like
this?? I put the first tune on and had to listen to the entire CD,
and I was "supposed" to be composing.... :)

JP

--- In tuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_41348.html#41351

>>
> But it's easier now. Why, just tonight, Prent Rodgers reared his
head again...
>

***His piece, with links from MMM is absolutely astonishing...

J. Pehrson

The CD is generally available from anyone who contributed. I have
copies for sale. Here's a link:
http://www.microtonalsynthesis.com/tuningcd.html.

There's no need to duplicate it. Many copies still exist. Some people
use this as a musical "business card," so copies have been distributed
throughout the microtonal community.

John Loffink
jloffink@austin.rr.com

> > > --- In tuning@y..., "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> > > > Well, I was absolutely unaware of the Mills College Tuning List
> > > > CD of 1998 until John Loffink sent me a copy. What a great CD!
> > >
> > > Yup, pretty good.
> >
> > But can it be obtained?
>
>
> ***Well, John Loffink gave me a copy, but he has a nice piece on the
> CD, so that may be why he had a few extras.
>
> I suppose Neil Haverstick would be the person to ask...
>
> Of course, somebody could easily *duplicate* it as well... I don't
> believe it was a "fully commercial" release...
>
> I think a little more than half of the pieces are on the Tuning
> Punks, but there must have been 5 or 6 that I hadn't heard. Nice
> ones, too.
>
> Why is it that "alternately tuned" music holds my attention like
> this?? I put the first tune on and had to listen to the entire CD,
> and I was "supposed" to be composing.... :)
>
> JP
>

Most or all of these people were on the Mills tuning list, but may not
have been the most vocal or prolific.

John Loffink
jloffink@austin.rr.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Szanto [mailto:JSZANTO@ADNC.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:55 PM
> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tuning] Re: Mills College CD
>
> Joe,
>
> --- In tuning@y..., "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> > Well, I was absolutely unaware of the Mills College Tuning List
> > CD of 1998 until John Loffink sent me a copy. What a great CD!
>
> Yup, pretty good.
>
> > How about Stephen James Taylor?
>
> A few posts, IIRC.
>
> > Warren Burt? I know him, but was he really on the Tuning List??
>
> Sure, from time to time. He's also been at MicroFests as well.
>
> > Richard Sanford??
>
> Not sure.
>
> > Denny Genovese. Was he actually a Tuning List participant?
> > (Brilliant piece, by the way...)
>
> To a certain extent, I think when he was at the SEJI Center. His piece
may
> have been submitted by someone on his behalf.
>
> > Carter Schloz? I've actually heard of him in the "big composer
> > world" I believe. Great piece. Was he actually a list
> > participant??
>
> Occasionally.
>
> > I guess I want to know if these people were "offshoots" of the
> > community, or if they actually took part in discussions.
>
> There were certainly discussions, but in the earlier days a lot of the
> list stuff, hmmm, how to put this. There was discussion, yes, but it
> seemed like more of the participants were active composers/performers.
The
> list was smaller, mind you, but while there was talk, there seemed to
be
> some musical activity at a higher occurance as well. Times change.
>
> Not to say there weren't flame-fests, too! Also, so it doesn't seem so
> skewed, that compilation came about over a moderately long length of
time.
> Gary Morrison was quite active in compilation as well.
>
> Ah, the good old days... :)
>
> > Well, certainly Haverstick knows how to make something out of thin
> > air!
>
> It wasn't as thin as it may have seemed (or seems now).
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>

John,

--- In tuning@y..., "John Loffink" <jloffink@a...> wrote:
> Most or all of these people were on the Mills tuning list, but
> may not have been the most vocal or prolific.

Thanks for not only confirming my recollection but being able to say it in one sentence instead of my rambling! :)

Cheers,
Jon

--- In tuning@y..., "John Loffink" <jloffink@a...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_41348.html#41373

> The CD is generally available from anyone who contributed. I have
> copies for sale. Here's a link:

> http://www.microtonalsynthesis.com/tuningcd.html
>

***Thanks, John, for posting this info., and now people know to get
it from you. (Only $10)

However, your link posted above had an extra period at the end, so
wasn't "clickable..."

It should be OK now above.

Joe Pehrson