new cyberhome for Sonic Arts, monz, and Tuning Dictionary

just beginning to upload everything ... bookmark
this, because this is where we are now.

http://sonic-arts.org

it will probably take a week or so to get all my
files uploaded.

-monz
"all roads lead to n^0"

Joe,

--- In tuning@y..., "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> just beginning to upload everything ... bookmark
> this, because this is where we are now.
>
> http://sonic-arts.org

Tell us: when the opening page states "Honoring the spirit of Harry Partch, Ivor Darreg and John S. Glasier", and then when you click on Harry Partch you get the McLaren-screed debunking of Partch, with the Monday-morning-quarterbacking hindsight of that last few decades to pad his pants, how is that "Honoring the spirit..."?

Or is that page a mistake?

Hoping never to be so 'honored',
Jon

hi Jon,

> From: "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@ADNC.COM>
> To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:12 PM
> Subject: [tuning] Re: new cyberhome for Sonic Arts, monz, and Tuning
Dictionary
>
> Joe,
>
> --- In tuning@y..., "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> > just beginning to upload everything ... bookmark
> > this, because this is where we are now.
> >
> > http://sonic-arts.org
>
> Tell us: when the opening page states "Honoring the
> spirit of Harry Partch, Ivor Darreg and John S. Glasier",
> and then when you click on Harry Partch you get the
> McLaren-screed debunking of Partch, with the
> Monday-morning-quarterbacking hindsight of that last
> few decades to pad his pants, how is that
> "Honoring the spirit..."?
>
> Or is that page a mistake?
>
> Hoping never to be so 'honored',
> Jon

well ... that stuff was added to the homepage by
Denny Genovese while i was living in Philly again
for 1999. i'm sure that the only reason he chose
to put that with Partch's picture was because it
was the only pile of material regarding Partch which
we had handy in electronic format at the time.

but i'm back in total control as the Sonic Arts
webmaster, and you can be assured that the McLaren
page will be moved to the link attached to McLaren's
name, and that other material which *really does*
honor Partch will be put with his picture.

just gimme a few days/weeks, etc. the site just got
revived, and i have a ton of stuff to put up there.

-monz
"all roads lead to n^0"

> just beginning to upload everything ... bookmark
> this, because this is where we are now.
>
> http://sonic-arts.org

Rock on, monz!! I love Sonic Arts!

-Carl

Joe,

--- In tuning@y..., "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> ... and that other material which *really does*
> honor Partch will be put with his picture.

That's what I *thought* would be the case, and this was just a fluke of the setting up of the new site. Of course, the change can't happen fast enough, but I know you'll get to it.

> just gimme a few days/weeks, etc. the site just got
> revived, and i have a ton of stuff to put up there.

I know you'll get around to it. Besides, Joe, I don't know if anyone has said this in public, but if it wasn't for you the whole Sonic Arts thing would be an antique shop and some microtonal memorabilia. With the Dictionary and all the other work you've done, it makes it seem like Sonic Arts is an entity.

And, I guess, because of you it *is*.

Is Denny G. completely out of the picture these days? And will there ever be actual activity, or is Sonic Arts going to be a 'virtual' organization?

Anyhow, kudos again for your work.

Cheers,
Jon

--- In tuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

> Hoping never to be so 'honored',
> Jon

Anyone want to put up a web page honoring McLaren? We'd need someone to write an essay on him, explaining why everything he says on some topic is always completely wrong.

--- In tuning@y..., "Gene Ward Smith" <genewardsmith@j...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
>
> > Hoping never to be so 'honored',
> > Jon
>
> Anyone want to put up a web page honoring McLaren? We'd need
>someone to write an essay on him, explaining why everything he says
>on some topic is always completely wrong.

sounds fair enough, though perhaps 'nonproliferation' would be a
better model. is mclaren a member of "sonic-arts"? if not, is there
any reason his diatribes ought to be up there?

--- In tuning@y..., "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_39962.html#39962

>
>
> just beginning to upload everything ... bookmark
> this, because this is where we are now.
>
> http://sonic-arts.org
>
>
> it will probably take a week or so to get all my
> files uploaded.
>
>
>
> -monz
> "all roads lead to n^0"

***Well, it's great that this valuable stuff is back up on the Web.
Long live this website, and long live somebody's ability to pay for
it...

J. Pehrson

--- In tuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_39962.html#39975

> Joe,
>
> --- In tuning@y..., "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> > just beginning to upload everything ... bookmark
> > this, because this is where we are now.
> >
> > http://sonic-arts.org
>
> Tell us: when the opening page states "Honoring the spirit of Harry
Partch, Ivor Darreg and John S. Glasier", and then when you click on
Harry Partch you get the McLaren-screed debunking of Partch, with the
Monday-morning-quarterbacking hindsight of that last few decades to
pad his pants, how is that "Honoring the spirit..."?
>
> Or is that page a mistake?
>
> Hoping never to be so 'honored',
> Jon

***Yes, I saw that, too... Sorry to snicker (I be bad at the
moment....)

JP

--- In tuning@y..., "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_39962.html#40015

> --- In tuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
>
> /tuning/topicId_39962.html#39975
>
> > Joe,
> >
> > --- In tuning@y..., "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> > > just beginning to upload everything ... bookmark
> > > this, because this is where we are now.
> > >
> > > http://sonic-arts.org
> >
> > Tell us: when the opening page states "Honoring the spirit of
Harry
> Partch, Ivor Darreg and John S. Glasier", and then when you click
on
> Harry Partch you get the McLaren-screed debunking of Partch, with
the
> Monday-morning-quarterbacking hindsight of that last few decades to
> pad his pants, how is that "Honoring the spirit..."?
> >
> > Or is that page a mistake?
> >
> > Hoping never to be so 'honored',
> > Jon
>
>
> ***Yes, I saw that, too... Sorry to snicker (I be bad at the
> moment....)
>
> JP

***Oppsie! That page suddenly and mysteriously disappeared...

JP

--- In tuning@y..., "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...>
wrote:

> is mclaren a member of "sonic-arts"?

i see now that he is an "advisor". maybe i should steer clear of this
organization, then -- we don't want the whole thing to explode in a
giant matter/anti-matter collision! :)

--- In tuning@y..., "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_39962.html#39976

> hi Jon,
>
>
> > From: "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...>
> > To: <tuning@y...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:12 PM
> > Subject: [tuning] Re: new cyberhome for Sonic Arts, monz, and
Tuning
> Dictionary
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > --- In tuning@y..., "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> > > just beginning to upload everything ... bookmark
> > > this, because this is where we are now.
> > >
> > > http://sonic-arts.org
> >
> > Tell us: when the opening page states "Honoring the
> > spirit of Harry Partch, Ivor Darreg and John S. Glasier",
> > and then when you click on Harry Partch you get the
> > McLaren-screed debunking of Partch, with the
> > Monday-morning-quarterbacking hindsight of that last
> > few decades to pad his pants, how is that
> > "Honoring the spirit..."?
> >
> > Or is that page a mistake?
> >
> > Hoping never to be so 'honored',
> > Jon
>
>
> well ... that stuff was added to the homepage by
> Denny Genovese while i was living in Philly again
> for 1999. i'm sure that the only reason he chose
> to put that with Partch's picture was because it
> was the only pile of material regarding Partch which
> we had handy in electronic format at the time.
>
>
> but i'm back in total control as the Sonic Arts
> webmaster, and you can be assured that the McLaren
> page will be moved to the link attached to McLaren's
> name, and that other material which *really does*
> honor Partch will be put with his picture.
>
> just gimme a few days/weeks, etc. the site just got
> revived, and i have a ton of stuff to put up there.
>
>
> -monz
> "all roads lead to n^0"

***Yes, that does seem a *tad* more appropriate. Sorry for
my "humor" when I clicked on the Partch "honoring" photo... (I'll
apologize to Jon S. doubly later...) Wouldn't it have been something
if Partch had actually seen that himself?? Whoaboy!

J. Pehrson

--- In tuning@y..., "Gene Ward Smith" <genewardsmith@j...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_39962.html#39988

> --- In tuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
>
> > Hoping never to be so 'honored',
> > Jon
>
> Anyone want to put up a web page honoring McLaren? We'd need
someone to write an essay on him, explaining why everything he says
on some topic is always completely wrong.

***You don't even have to work that hard. Just put up some of his
*own* essays where he rants and raves like a maniac and he shoots
himself in the foot every time...

JP

hi Jon,

> From: "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@ADNC.COM>
> To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:12 PM
> Subject: [tuning] Re: new cyberhome for Sonic Arts, monz, and Tuning
Dictionary
>

> Joe,
>
> --- In tuning@y..., "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> > just beginning to upload everything ... bookmark
> > this, because this is where we are now.
> >
> > http://sonic-arts.org
>
> Tell us: when the opening page states "Honoring the
> spirit of Harry Partch, Ivor Darreg and John S. Glasier",
> and then when you click on Harry Partch you get the
> McLaren-screed debunking of Partch, with the
> Monday-morning-quarterbacking hindsight of that last
> few decades to pad his pants, how is that
> "Honoring the spirit..."?
>
> Or is that page a mistake?
>
> Hoping never to be so 'honored',

go to the Sonic Arts homepage now and click on Partch's picture.
i think you'll be much happier.

i've broken up McLaren's "screed" into the 5 individual webpages
that they should be anyway, and now the Partch photo links to an
index page listing my and McLaren's writings on Partch.

thanks for complaining ... this is something i should have
taken care of a long time ago.

-monz
"all roads lead to n^0"

--- In tuning@y..., "Gene Ward Smith" <genewardsmith@j...> wrote:
> Anyone want to put up a web page honoring McLaren? We'd need someone to write an essay on him, explaining why everything he says on some topic is always completely wrong.

No, I think that would be a clear case of "two wrongs don't make a right". I'd like to see that page removed from connection to "honoring" Partch, and let it reside in a McLaren area. There is no need to attack him for those views (in this particular instance), and I didn't mean my comments to come off vindictive. I simply think it is an inappropriate placement of his... essay.

Cheers,
Jon

Replying to myself: clear indication I need a life!

--- In tuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> I'd like to see that page removed from connection to "honoring"
> Partch, and let it reside in a McLaren area.

Well, apparantly Monz has already made changes, so end of story. Thanks, Monz, and no apologies necessary...

Cheers,
Jon

--- In tuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

> No, I think that would be a clear case of "two wrongs don't make a right". I'd like to see that page removed from connection to "honoring" Partch, and let it reside in a McLaren area. There is no need to attack him for those views (in this particular instance), and I didn't mean my comments to come off vindictive. I simply think it is an inappropriate placement of his... essay.

I didn't mean my comments to come off vindictive either. I *did* mean for them to come off funny. Anyone know a good rewrite man?

--- In tuning@y..., "Gene Ward Smith" <genewardsmith@j...> wrote:
> I didn't mean my comments to come off vindictive either. I *did* mean for them to come off funny.

Honestly, Gene, I *did* take them as an example of your Martini wit (you saw the post on tuning-math?) - it was more the fact that I didn't want to see anyone with less sense go out and do just what you were suggesting!

> Anyone know a good rewrite man?

I believe that would be "rewrite person" these days... :)

Cheers,
Jon

> From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@yahoo.com>
> To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:30 AM
> Subject: [tuning] Re: new cyberhome for Sonic Arts, monz, and Tuning
Dictionary
>
>
> --- In tuning@y..., "Gene Ward Smith" <genewardsmith@j...> wrote:
> > --- In tuning@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hoping never to be so 'honored',
> > > Jon
> >
> > Anyone want to put up a web page honoring McLaren? We'd need
> > someone to write an essay on him, explaining why everything he says
> > on some topic is always completely wrong.
>
> sounds fair enough, though perhaps 'nonproliferation' would be a
> better model. is mclaren a member of "sonic-arts"? if not, is there
> any reason his diatribes ought to be up there?

when i first came to San Diego in 1998, McLaren was indeed
in pretty close contact with Jonathan Glasier and Bill Wesley,
and over the last few years he's been dropping into town for
lengthly visits about twice a year. lately he's been
keeping a low profile, but his strong devotion to Darreg's
work (both writings and compositions) will keep him associated
with Sonic Arts.

-monz
"all roads lead to n^0"

hi Joe,

> From: "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@rcn.com>
> To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:36 AM
> Subject: [tuning] Re: new cyberhome for Sonic Arts, monz, and Tuning
Dictionary
>
>
> --- In tuning@y..., "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
>
> /tuning/topicId_39962.html#39962
>
> >
> >
> > just beginning to upload everything ... bookmark
> > this, because this is where we are now.
> >
> > http://sonic-arts.org
> >
> >
> > it will probably take a week or so to get all my
> > files uploaded.
> >
> >
> >
> > -monz
> > "all roads lead to n^0"
>
> ***Well, it's great that this valuable stuff is back up on the Web.
> Long live this website, and long live somebody's ability to pay for
> it...
>
> J. Pehrson

thanks for the encouragement. that "somebody" is Jonathan Glasier.
i do all the work and Jonathan pays the bills.

to answer Jon Szanto's question: yes, Denny is pretty much out of
the scene these days. he moved to the east coast about a year ago,
and is now somewhere in New England, on the road again. i assume
he'll be a strong part of Sonic Arts if he comes back to San Diego,
but i don't know if he has any plans to return...

as for the others:

- i just posted something about McLaren;

- Dave Hill is now in Borrego Springs which, while not really
too far from San Diego, is far enough to preclude regular
visits;

- Bill Wesley has been putting all his time and effort
into getting patents for his unique "array" instruments;

- John Chalmers is still close by, but because i've been
really busy with "regular work", we haven't had much time
to hang out as in the past -- but hopefully we'll begin
getting together again regularly at UCSD concerts;

- Brink McGoogy (AKA John McBryde) is still based in Los Angeles,
but he's been spending more and more time in San Diego lately
and will possibly be relocating here -- he's more active with
Jonathan than anyone else right now, making recordings regularly.

Bill is also in on some of these, and i intend to be if i can
set aside the time.

-monz

> From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@yahoo.com>
> To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:56 AM
> Subject: [tuning] Re: new cyberhome for Sonic Arts, monz, and Tuning
Dictionary
>
>
> --- In tuning@y..., "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...>
> wrote:
>
> > is mclaren a member of "sonic-arts"?
>
> i see now that he is an "advisor". maybe i should steer clear of this
> organization, then -- we don't want the whole thing to explode in a
> giant matter/anti-matter collision! :)

i hope that you only posted that for the sake of the
joke! of course, your contributions to so many things
on the Sonic Arts site have been extremely valuable,
and we want to keep you involved. maybe i should list
you as an "advisor" as well?

-monz

--- In tuning@y..., "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_39962.html#40046

> > From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...>
> > To: <tuning@y...>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:56 AM
> > Subject: [tuning] Re: new cyberhome for Sonic Arts, monz, and
Tuning
> Dictionary
> >
> >
> > --- In tuning@y..., "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > is mclaren a member of "sonic-arts"?
> >
> > i see now that he is an "advisor". maybe i should steer clear of
this
> > organization, then -- we don't want the whole thing to explode in
a
> > giant matter/anti-matter collision! :)
>
>
>
> i hope that you only posted that for the sake of the
> joke! of course, your contributions to so many things
> on the Sonic Arts site have been extremely valuable,
> and we want to keep you involved. maybe i should list
> you as an "advisor" as well?
>
>
>
>
> -monz

***It doesn't seem to me necessary that all the "advisors" have to be
necessarily friends of one another. It reminds me of concerts where
some performer doesn't want to play on it because they don't "like"
another performer on the concert.... (slightly OT)

JP

--- In tuning@y..., "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> > From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...>
> > To: <tuning@y...>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:56 AM
> > Subject: [tuning] Re: new cyberhome for Sonic Arts, monz, and
Tuning
> Dictionary
> >
> >
> > --- In tuning@y..., "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > is mclaren a member of "sonic-arts"?
> >
> > i see now that he is an "advisor". maybe i should steer clear of
this
> > organization, then -- we don't want the whole thing to explode in
a
> > giant matter/anti-matter collision! :)
>
>
>
> i hope that you only posted that for the sake of the
> joke! of course, your contributions to so many things
> on the Sonic Arts site have been extremely valuable,
> and we want to keep you involved. maybe i should list
> you as an "advisor" as well?
>
>
>
>
> -monz

i humbly accept . . . but look out for the site's violent self-
destruction, as the polar opposites meet, in the near future!

:) :) :)

--- In tuning@y..., "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...>

/tuning/topicId_39962.html#40051

wrote:
> --- In tuning@y..., "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> > > From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...>
> > > To: <tuning@y...>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:56 AM
> > > Subject: [tuning] Re: new cyberhome for Sonic Arts, monz, and
> Tuning
> > Dictionary
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In tuning@y..., "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > is mclaren a member of "sonic-arts"?
> > >
> > > i see now that he is an "advisor". maybe i should steer clear
of
> this
> > > organization, then -- we don't want the whole thing to explode
in
> a
> > > giant matter/anti-matter collision! :)
> >
> >
> >
> > i hope that you only posted that for the sake of the
> > joke! of course, your contributions to so many things
> > on the Sonic Arts site have been extremely valuable,
> > and we want to keep you involved. maybe i should list
> > you as an "advisor" as well?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -monz
>
> i humbly accept . . . but look out for the site's violent self-
> destruction, as the polar opposites meet, in the near future!
>
> :) :) :)

***Personally, I think that may be intriguing. I'll take tickets...

JP

>i see now that he is an "advisor". maybe i should steer clear of
>this organization, then -- we don't want the whole thing to
>explode in a giant matter/anti-matter collision! :)

Look, just because someone has a social problem doesn't mean this
kind of treatment is appropriate. Only a bit of humor? I think
not. Make yourself feel better about Brian on your own time. He
can't hear you, and if he could, it wouldn't help anything. And
what claim do you people have to the content of Sonic Arts? I
think we all agree the Partch link was just a bad link. The rest
is the business of the folks, like Brian, who put their heart's
work into Sonic Arts. Without Brian, we wouldn't have an archive
of the music of Sonic Arts, and the amount of music in it would be
cut in half. Jon, drop the 'I own Partch' bit. Not everyone sees
Partch as you do, and you do not have a monopoly on the artistic
truth of Partch. What the hell is a "virtual" organization? Paul/
Joe, if you have a problem with monz' notation, make your own
website! You contributed to the tuning dictionary? Thank Sonic
Arts for hosting it!

-Carl

--- In tuning@y..., "Carl Lumma" <clumma@y...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_39962.html#40082

Paul/
> Joe, if you have a problem with monz' notation, make your own
> website! You contributed to the tuning dictionary? Thank Sonic
> Arts for hosting it!
>
> -Carl

***Hi Carl...

It wouldn't make a lot of sense to make a whole website with only one
page about Blackjack! :)

We're just asking that possibly Monz can included the *standard
ascii* 72-tET notation that we thrashed out on this very list over a
period of months.

He's done that before, actually... It doesn't mean he can't include
his *own* version as well...

J. Pehrson

Carl,

--- In tuning@y..., "Carl Lumma" <clumma@y...> wrote:
> And what claim do you people have to the content of Sonic Arts? I
> think we all agree the Partch link was just a bad link.

That was my only disagreement.

> Jon, drop the 'I own Partch' bit. Not everyone sees
> Partch as you do, and you do not have a monopoly on the artistic
> truth of Partch.

I'll respond about this to you, privately, off-list, in my own time. Just the other night you apologized for a kind of work-induced stress. I'll allow for that at the moment.

> What the hell is a "virtual" organization?

One that doesn't exist, to any noticeable extent, in the "real" world.

> You contributed to the tuning dictionary? Thank Sonic
> Arts for hosting it!

That's rather small of you, as I believe both Joe and Paul have repeatedly praised the work of Joe Monzo to put the dictionary online. Hosting it is a minimal issue, as Joe could host it virtually anywhere; the thanks are due to Monz' tireless efforts to have a one-stop shopping experience for the jargon of tuning, most of which has been cobbled in these hallowed premises.

Try and relax, Carl. After all, the Giants are cleaning up tonight...

Cheers,
Jon

>He's done that before, actually...

Well, okay. Then it wasn't necessary to call him out for
not doing it for hidden motives.

>Try and relax, Carl.

Ok, so I over-reacted. The constant mclaren bashing and
anti-enthusiasm for a dedicated sonic-arts domain just
lit my burner. That, and my new job is absolutely,
positively, driving me to an early grave. That's it, I'm
moving to the country! =8^)

>After all, the Giants are cleaning up tonight...

Are they? Man, one of the few times I wish I had a TV.
Too bad my downstairs neighbors dislike ball.

-Carl

to all,

> From: "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@rcn.com>
> To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:11 PM
> Subject: [tuning] Re: mclaren issues
>
>
> --- In tuning@y..., "Carl Lumma" <clumma@y...> wrote:
>
> /tuning/topicId_39962.html#40082
>
> Paul/
> > Joe, if you have a problem with monz' notation, make your own
> > website! You contributed to the tuning dictionary? Thank Sonic
> > Arts for hosting it!
> >
> > -Carl
>
> ***Hi Carl...
>
> It wouldn't make a lot of sense to make a whole website with only one
> page about Blackjack! :)
>
> We're just asking that possibly Monz can included the *standard
> ascii* 72-tET notation that we thrashed out on this very list over a
> period of months.
>
> He's done that before, actually... It doesn't mean he can't include
> his *own* version as well...

honestly, guys, i appreciate all the suggestions you make for
improvements and additions to the Sonic Arts website. but jeez,
the only money i make off this site is the occasional purchase
of my book, and for the amount of time, effort, and work that
i put into these webpages, that ain't much. so without any
other means of income, i have to work too, like most people.

if you all really want me to devote my time to my tuning work
that badly, then please create some kind of fund so that i
can get paid to do it.

i could set up the website in such a way that viewers would
have to pay to get more than samples of my work, and that might
eventually happen, especially if Jonathan takes a greater
interest in it again as he seems to want to do, because he
has a lot of music (of his own, his father's, and of various
Sonic Arts improv sessions) that he's interested in selling.

but in the meantime, it's all a labor of love, and as it is
i'm ruining my health by spending time working on webpages
when i should be sleeping. please be patient.

-monz

Switching threads, he wrote...

--- In tuning@y..., "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> honestly, guys, i appreciate all the suggestions you make for
> improvements and additions to the Sonic Arts website. ...
> but in the meantime, it's all a labor of love, and as it is
> i'm ruining my health by spending time working on webpages
> when i should be sleeping. please be patient.

Laude Amen. I sit here and watch all the "you should do this" and "you should add this" and "could you correct this", and it's pretty much 99% from people who have never had to build and maintain even a modest web site.

I hardly use it, but I sure am glad Monz has the dictionary online, and I *certainly* admire and value the hard work he has put into it. I had a thought: next time someone has a killer addition for the dictionary

- get a web page tool (I can recommend free ones)
- take a sample of one of Monz' pages
- use your tool (or a text editor) to craft the HTML
- add any graphics you'd like on the page
- include links or audio if necessary
- zip it all up and submit it to Joe.

Then he can look at it, make any tweaks, and upload. You get the additions you want, he gets something resembling a life. You learn a valuable new skill in this age, Joe gets to spend some time composing. Someday maybe he'll implement the frames version I sent him... :)

Attaboys from a fellow webmonkey,
Jon

--- In tuning@y..., "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_39962.html#40095

>
> to all,
>
>
> > From: "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
> > To: <tuning@y...>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:11 PM
> > Subject: [tuning] Re: mclaren issues
> >
> >
> > --- In tuning@y..., "Carl Lumma" <clumma@y...> wrote:
> >
> > /tuning/topicId_39962.html#40082
> >
> > Paul/
> > > Joe, if you have a problem with monz' notation, make your own
> > > website! You contributed to the tuning dictionary? Thank Sonic
> > > Arts for hosting it!
> > >
> > > -Carl
> >
> > ***Hi Carl...
> >
> > It wouldn't make a lot of sense to make a whole website with only
one
> > page about Blackjack! :)
> >
> > We're just asking that possibly Monz can included the *standard
> > ascii* 72-tET notation that we thrashed out on this very list
over a
> > period of months.
> >
> > He's done that before, actually... It doesn't mean he can't
include
> > his *own* version as well...
>
>
>
> honestly, guys, i appreciate all the suggestions you make for
> improvements and additions to the Sonic Arts website. but jeez,
> the only money i make off this site is the occasional purchase
> of my book, and for the amount of time, effort, and work that
> i put into these webpages, that ain't much. so without any
> other means of income, i have to work too, like most people.
>
> if you all really want me to devote my time to my tuning work
> that badly, then please create some kind of fund so that i
> can get paid to do it.
>
> i could set up the website in such a way that viewers would
> have to pay to get more than samples of my work, and that might
> eventually happen, especially if Jonathan takes a greater
> interest in it again as he seems to want to do, because he
> has a lot of music (of his own, his father's, and of various
> Sonic Arts improv sessions) that he's interested in selling.
>
> but in the meantime, it's all a labor of love, and as it is
> i'm ruining my health by spending time working on webpages
> when i should be sleeping. please be patient.
>
>
>
> -monz

***Sorry, Monz...

No problem. I guess I was just presuming that you wanted comments on
the Blackjack page after you updated it, and that's why you posted it
to the list....

JP

hi Joe,

of course, i always welcome comments. but there's a limit
to how much of this i can do in a day, week, etc.

-monz

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@rcn.com>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 7:44 AM
Subject: [tuning] Re: mclaren issues

>
> ***Sorry, Monz...
>
> No problem. I guess I was just presuming that you wanted comments on
> the Blackjack page after you updated it, and that's why you posted it
> to the list....

--- In tuning@y..., "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_39962.html#40110

Hi Monz!

Why, of course! That's never been a question. I think most of us
greatly appreciate what you've been doing, and we're happy to see
that all your pages have a new home.

Now they need to be *indexed* from your home page, and... [just
joking...]

JP

> hi Joe,
>
> of course, i always welcome comments. but there's a limit
> to how much of this i can do in a day, week, etc.
>
>
> -monz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
> To: <tuning@y...>
> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 7:44 AM
> Subject: [tuning] Re: mclaren issues
>
>
> >
> > ***Sorry, Monz...
> >
> > No problem. I guess I was just presuming that you wanted
comments on
> > the Blackjack page after you updated it, and that's why you
posted it
> > to the list....

--- In tuning@y..., "Carl Lumma" <clumma@y...> wrote:

> >i see now that he is an "advisor". maybe i should steer clear of
> >this organization, then -- we don't want the whole thing to
> >explode in a giant matter/anti-matter collision! :)
>
> Look, just because someone has a social problem doesn't mean this
> kind of treatment is appropriate. Only a bit of humor? I think
> not.

wha . . . ?

> Make yourself feel better about Brian on your own time.

oof!

> He
> can't hear you, and if he could, it wouldn't help anything.

ugh!

does anyone know what ":)" means around here?