Darreg's "moods"

Reading Ivor Darreg's essay on the "moods" of different ETs and
tuning systems in general, and finding it "delightful."

Now here is an entirely *free* approach to the question of tuning...
just considering the *mood* of the tuning independent of its
emulation of this or that just interval.

He's a great fan of 17-tET for its "brilliance" and cites 19-tET for
it's peculiar type of "aggressiveness." *That* I will *have* to
agree on, based upon my own experiences.

It was particularly interesting to me how his viewpoints align almost
exactly with Brian McLarens in that:

1) He advocates, in fact *insists* that people not restrain
themselves to just a few tunings

2) He advocates the "mood" of *each* tuning for compositional
purposes, irregardless of any theoretical underpinnings.

3) He feels the difference between *lower* ETs is much greater
in "mood" than that of higher ones...

These were all points that McLaren, apparently, arrived at on his
own... (unless he had been reading Darreg! :)

J. Pehrson

--- In tuning@y..., "jpehrson2" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:

> 3) He feels the difference between *lower* ETs is much greater
> in "mood" than that of higher ones...

well, as a generality, that's pretty obvious, since as the notes get
closer and closer together, it's harder and harder to tell which
tuning system they come from!

> These were all points that McLaren, apparently, arrived at on his
> own... (unless he had been reading Darreg! :)

rest assured he was.

--- In tuning@y..., "emotionaljourney22" <paul@s...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@y..., "jpehrson2" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> > These were all points that McLaren, apparently, arrived at on his
> > own... (unless he had been reading Darreg! :)
>
> rest assured he was.

Paul is correct: all part of the San Diego area. Darreg lived here all the end of his life (I don't know for how many years) and was befriended by Jonathan Glasier. It was within this circle that McLaren also took part in microtonal music making/etc., and they all knew one another quite well. It is my understanding that McLaren has produced a new or restored recording of Darreg's work (or more than one recording).

At least this is my understanding, and Joe Monzo would know for sure.

Cheers,
Jon

--- In tuning@y..., "emotionaljourney22" <paul@s...> wrote:

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> --- In tuning@y..., "jpehrson2" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
>
> > 3) He feels the difference between *lower* ETs is much greater
> > in "mood" than that of higher ones...
>
> well, as a generality, that's pretty obvious, since as the notes
get
> closer and closer together, it's harder and harder to tell which
> tuning system they come from!
>

***Oh sure... Looking at it from more the "math" end, it's really
obvious on a pitch line... Hmmm. McLaren makes a big "deal" of
this, though, on his CD...

JP

--- In tuning@y..., "jonszanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

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> --- In tuning@y..., "emotionaljourney22" <paul@s...> wrote:
> > --- In tuning@y..., "jpehrson2" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> > > These were all points that McLaren, apparently, arrived at on
his
> > > own... (unless he had been reading Darreg! :)
> >
> > rest assured he was.
>
> Paul is correct: all part of the San Diego area. Darreg lived here
all the end of his life (I don't know for how many years) and was
befriended by Jonathan Glasier. It was within this circle that
McLaren also took part in microtonal music making/etc., and they all
knew one another quite well. It is my understanding that McLaren has
produced a new or restored recording of Darreg's work (or more than
one recording).
>
> At least this is my understanding, and Joe Monzo would know for
sure.
>
> Cheers,
> Jon

***Hmmm. I forgot momentarily, that McLaren had put all of Darreg's
work up on the Web. No wonder many of the ideas seem similar!!!

JP

>> These were all points that McLaren, apparently, arrived at on his
>> own... (unless he had been reading Darreg! :)
>
>rest assured he was.

I suspect so, but note that Brain claims he independently came to
these conclusions.

Yes, Jon, he produced, with the help of Gary Morrison, Detwelvulate,
an album no respectible microtonalist can be without.

-Carl

> From: "Carl Lumma" <carl@lumma.org>
> To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 11:23 PM
> Subject: [tuning] Re: Darreg's "moods"
>
>
> >> These were all points that McLaren, apparently, arrived at
> >> on his own... (unless he had been reading Darreg! :)
> >
> > rest assured he was.
>
> I suspect so, but note that Brain claims he independently
> came to these conclusions.
>
> Yes, Jon, he produced, with the help of Gary Morrison,
> Detwelvulate, an album no respectible microtonalist can be
> without.

McLaren has had much more involvement with Ivor Darreg
than just co-producing _Detwelvulate_ ... if anyone can
be said to be Brian's mentor, it's Darreg.

Brian has also spent an enormous amount of time and energy
working on the still-to-be-fully-revealved Darreg website;
here's the main meaty stuff (part of our Sonic Arts site):

_The Complete Musical Writings of Ivor Darreg_
http://www.ixpres.com/interval/darreg/contents.htm

-monz

--- In tuning@y..., "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> McLaren has had much more involvement with Ivor Darreg
> than just co-producing _Detwelvulate_ ... if anyone can
> be said to be Brian's mentor, it's Darreg.

That is what I had thought, but I'll be damned if *I'm* going to misattribute anything and risk the consequences! (and you know what I mean!!) Thanks for adding that, Joe, good to have you on back-up.

> Brian has also spent an enormous amount of time and energy
> working on the still-to-be-fully-revealved Darreg website;
> here's the main meaty stuff (part of our Sonic Arts site):
>
> _The Complete Musical Writings of Ivor Darreg_
> http://www.ixpres.com/interval/darreg/contents.htm

I haven't looked recently, but unless it's gone through a 'redesign', I'll just add this: all the info in the world isn't worth a damn if the way it is delivered is a mess. Those pages were reeeeeeeally hard to read, with gratuitous large graphics slowing down stuff.

Besides, releasing a website can be done one page at a time. Unless someone fancies themselves as being the web version of Stephen Wolfram...

Cheers,
Jon