Accidentals (font)

Since my earliest attempts on scoring with computer, I have felt and claimed
the
necessity for extended accidentals, which are used in non-12tet/ non-Western
music types. Some software programs include a limited number of extended
accidentals while some don't. For a couple of
years, I have tried several fonts which could not completely cover my needs
and, being copyrighted, restricted the distribution of my scores.

For a long period of time, I was planning to build my own font but didn't
have the time or lacked the necessary tools. However,
I've found a way to overcome those handicaps and succeeded to manifacture a
font ready for � testing.

My requests from those members of these groups who kindly accept
participating in the � testing of my font (as well as others) are:

1) Feedback, bug/malfunctionality report, suggestions on improvement;

2) Know-how. Let me explain this one; I have already included numerous
accidentals within the font. However, it's a fact that non 12tet notation
has loose standards. Every composer has -more or less- unique set of symbols
especially writing in contemporary microtonal/ji styles. I'd be glad if any
of you group members could let me know about the excluded accidentals which
are either -in any aspect- in 'common practice' or personal preference.

Those who'd like to participate in the � test will receive their fonts (17.5
K zipped) in their private mailbox. Please follow up to the groups or send
me personal email to the address encoded it my signature. (Messages sent to
@netscape.net or @yahoo.com will be ignored.)

The font is freeware, now and ever.

Ertugrul iNAN�

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Since my earliest attempts on scoring with computer, I have felt and claimed
the
necessity for extended accidentals, which are used in non-12tet/ non-Western
music types. Some software programs include a limited number of extended
accidentals while some don't. For a couple of
years, I have tried several fonts which could not completely cover my needs
and, being copyrighted, restricted the distribution of my scores.

For a long period of time, I was planning to build my own font but didn't
have the time or lacked the necessary tools. However,
I've found a way to overcome those handicaps and succeeded to manifacture a
font ready for � testing.

My requests from those members of these groups who kindly accept
participating in the � testing of my font (as well as others) are:

1) Feedback, bug/malfunctionality report, suggestions on improvement;

2) Know-how. Let me explain this one; I have already included numerous
accidentals within the font. However, it's a fact that non 12tet notation
has loose standards. Every composer has -more or less- unique set of symbols
especially writing in contemporary microtonal/ji styles. I'd be glad if any
of you group members could let me know about the excluded accidentals which
are either -in any aspect- in 'common practice' or personal preference.

Those who'd like to participate in the � test will receive their fonts (17.5
K zipped) in their private mailbox. Please follow up to the groups or send
me personal email to the address encoded it my signature. (Messages sent to
@netscape.net or @yahoo.com will be ignored.)

The font is freeware, now and ever.

Ertugrul iNAN�

--
Decode address to reply:
ertugrulinanc-at-ixir-dot-com

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<ertugrulinanc@y...> wrote:

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> Since my earliest attempts on scoring with computer, I have felt
and claimed
> the
> necessity for extended accidentals, which are used in non-12tet/
non-Western
> music types. Some software programs include a limited number of
extended
> accidentals while some don't. For a couple of
> years, I have tried several fonts which could not completely cover
my needs
> and, being copyrighted, restricted the distribution of my scores.
>
> For a long period of time, I was planning to build my own font but
didn't
> have the time or lacked the necessary tools. However,
> I've found a way to overcome those handicaps and succeeded to
manifacture a
> font ready for ß testing.
>
> My requests from those members of these groups who kindly accept
> participating in the ß testing of my font (as well as others)
are:
>
> 1) Feedback, bug/malfunctionality report, suggestions on
improvement;
>
> 2) Know-how. Let me explain this one; I have already included
numerous
> accidentals within the font. However, it's a fact that non 12tet
notation
> has loose standards. Every composer has -more or less- unique set
of symbols
> especially writing in contemporary microtonal/ji styles. I'd be
glad if any
> of you group members could let me know about the excluded
accidentals which
> are either -in any aspect- in 'common practice' or personal
preference.
>
> Those who'd like to participate in the ß test will receive their
fonts (17.5
> K zipped) in their private mailbox. Please follow up to the groups
or send
> me personal email to the address encoded it my signature. (Messages
sent to
> @netscape.net or @yahoo.com will be ignored.)
>
> The font is freeware, now and ever.
>
> Ertugrul iNANÇ
>
>
> --
> Decode address to reply:
> ertugrulinanc-at-ixir-dot-com

Hello Ertugrul!

Of course, I am very interested in this and would enjoy
participating. In fact, it might be an interesting topic for the
Sibelius users list, and I am going to post your request over there,
if you don't mind. A gentleman over there was asking for extended
fonts for non-western musics as it was, and I didn't have a resource
to give him.

By the way, what kind of font *is* this? Is it a PostScript font?

In any case, there really *are* a few "standards" for microtonal
accidentals that, I believe are starting to be recognized.

Sibelius uses the "Tartini" quartertones, which are the commonly
recognized ones such as the "backwards" flat (either filled or open)
and the SINGLE vertical line for a sharp with just ONE slanted line
through it. These are *very* common quartertone symbols and I was
interested in finding out that these are the ones being implemented
in Sibelius.

For my *own* purposes, I like using the 72-tET symbols developed by
Ezra Sims and used and taught by Joe Maneri at the New England
Conservatory of Music.

There is *already* a PostScript font for these symbols developed by
cellist Ted Mook, and you might be interested in taking a look at it:

https://www.mindeartheart.org/micro.html

I will write to you offlist regarding your kind offer.

Thanks!

Joseph Pehrson

Thank you very much, Joseph, for your encouragement and information.
Thanks also for the link. In my case, an already present font for a
set of accidentals means helpful documentation since my purpose is to
cover as many symbols as possible.

My font is a "Symbol" one speaking in Windows terms. Since I don't
use Sibelius, I cannot know what's supported and what's not. That's
why, it will be great if you forward my query and let me access the
users of that product.

The reverse flat and single vertical line sharp are my daily toys :)
There are more symbols standardised in Turkish, Arabic and Persian
music writing systems, indeed. As I mentioned earlier, I will be
grateful if you kind people feed me back with either standard or
personal practices.

Taking a step further, I'm uploading the font (packed with a readme
text and a NWC file for example) to the files section for the groups
benefit.

Please feedback.

Regards,
Ertugrul

--- In tuning@y..., "ertugrulInanc" <ertugrulinanc@y...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_36195.html#36259

> Thank you very much, Joseph, for your encouragement and
information.
> Thanks also for the link. In my case, an already present font for a
> set of accidentals means helpful documentation since my purpose is
to
> cover as many symbols as possible.
>
> My font is a "Symbol" one speaking in Windows terms. Since I don't
> use Sibelius, I cannot know what's supported and what's not. That's
> why, it will be great if you forward my query and let me access the
> users of that product.
>
> The reverse flat and single vertical line sharp are my daily
toys :)
> There are more symbols standardised in Turkish, Arabic and Persian
> music writing systems, indeed. As I mentioned earlier, I will be
> grateful if you kind people feed me back with either standard or
> personal practices.
>
> Taking a step further, I'm uploading the font (packed with a readme
> text and a NWC file for example) to the files section for the
groups
> benefit.
>
> Please feedback.
>
> Regards,
> Ertugrul

****Thanks so much, Ertugrul, for sending your font, which I
appreciate. There is no problem getting this to work in Sibelius,
since it is a simple TrueType font, which works very easily.

However, aside from a few symbols in there, many of the spaces seemed
to contain only your initials "EI" unless I have to have *other*
Persian or Arabian fonts installed to read them. I am not certain.

I wasn't quite sure what kind of file your Test2.NWC file was.

What program should I open that in??

Anyway, I thought I should post the contents of your "readme" file to
the list for general interest:

______

"This package contains the ßeta Test release of Accidentals v.1.00
True Type font.

Accidentals is designed to use various accidental symbols implemented
in Turkish, Arabic and Persian music traditions, as well as in
contemporary Western art music, within a music scoring program,
especially Noteworthy Composer (TM).

This release includes those accidentals found in three common Turkish
music theory schools: Rauf Yektâ Bey (R.Yektâ), H.S.Arel-S.Ezgi
(Arel-
Ezgi) and Ekrem Karadeniz (Karadeniz); plus a couple of special
symbols: Koron and Sori, used in Persian Music.

Some symbols of the named systems are also used in Arabic music and
international (Western oriented) contemporary music.

The project is incomplete since several other microtonal/ji
accidentals are planned to be included at the next release.

Those who have used "Pergolesi" (or own files using it) on behalf of
the authors recommendation/suggestion can replace it with Accidentals
safely. Alt + 0135 and Alt + 0137 characters are preserved with just
the same precise settings with those in Pergolesi. This is planned to
be continuous.

Please have a look at the "Test 02.NWC" file and feed the author back
with suggestions, improvements, bug reports et cetera.

The font is provided as is, with no warranty. It is freeware and
shall remain so. A few glyphs are imposted from Pergolesi, which will
have been replaced with originals at the next release.

Copyright © 2002 by Ertugrul iNANÇ, All Rights Reserved. Free
for
personal and test purpose usage. DO NOT CIRCULATE without permission
from the author.

ertugrulinanc-at-ixir-dot-com

Noteworthy Composer (TM) is a registered trademark of Noteworthy
Software Inc.

Hi,

The "Eİ"s a re my initials, to hold place reserved for future
additions. For the moment, only a few (25) symbols are included.

Test2.NWC is a Noteworthy Composer
<http://www.noteworthysoftware.com> score which represents the
positioning of the symbols with notes on a staffline or a space.
(However, alignements are NOT optimised because of some future plans.)

Since Joseph kindly reported that the font works fine with Sibelius,
I think I shall update the readme file. If Joseph or any other
Sibelius user could make a .sib version of the test score, I'll
include that file with the package and credit the supplier.

Regards,
Ertugrul

--- In tuning@y..., "ertugrulInanc" <ertugrulinanc@y...> wrote:

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> Hi,
>
> The "EÝ"s a re my initials, to hold place reserved for future
> additions. For the moment, only a few (25) symbols are included.
>

***Thanks, Ertugral!

I have now successfully imported *all* of your symbols in Sibelius
as Sibelius "symbols." There was no problem with that, since the
font was a simple TrueType font, which Sibelius handles readily.

I have posted to the files area of this group [one of the *great*
features of Yahoo, believe it or not] the Sibelius file with the
symbols imported. Sibelius only works on a *per score* basis -- in
other words, I would have to copy *this* file if I were to keep the
symbols. For a totally *new* file, Sibelus would revert back to
its "defaults." (Not a problem, though, obviously).

/tuning/files/Pehrson/

Ertugral, I will also send you the file via e-mail.

You can get a *free* version of the Sibelius demo on the Sibelius
site, so you will be able to see the file and symbols:

http://www.sibelius.com/

I'm also going to post your "readme" description with your e-mail
address again on the Sibelius users list. (A private list,
unfortunately only for Sibelius purchasers). Perhaps more people
will contact you.

In fact, there was one fellow there who, specifically, wanted to know
how to notate Arabic music with Sibelius, so I believe he will be
*particularly* interested in this.

Now the problem I have is that I have *no idea* what the symbols
mean!! aside from the obvious ones with quartertones.

Is there any way you could create a graphic file with the symbols and
what they mean in *text* so we could understand them, Ertugral??

Sibelius could easily do this, but I don't know if "Noteworthy
Composer" can handle it.

Otherwise, I'm pretty much *lost* here... my understanding of Persian
and Arabic music is not great, at this point.

> Test2.NWC is a Noteworthy Composer
> <http://www.noteworthysoftware.com> score which represents the
> positioning of the symbols with notes on a staffline or a space.
> (However, alignements are NOT optimised because of some future
plans.)
>

****Unfortunately, Ertugral, Sibelius does not import and
convert "Noteworthy Composer" files, and, frankly, I'm not too
interested at this moment in taking the time to try to figure out
something with that program, since I'm very involved with Sibelius.

> Since Joseph kindly reported that the font works fine with
Sibelius,
> I think I shall update the readme file. If Joseph or any other
> Sibelius user could make a .sib version of the test score, I'll
> include that file with the package and credit the supplier.
>

****So basically, Ertugral, the file I am sending you and posting on
this Forum is a Sibelius file that has all the symbols included in it.

In order to make this work, though, it would seem that a person would
have to have your "Accidentals" font installed on their computer.

That's not difficult to do, however. All that's necessary is to move
the font into the Fonts directory under Windows, obviously. One
doesn't even have to run Adobe Type Manager, like you have to for
PostScript fonts, such as Ezra Sims.

Let me know Ertugral, if you get the Sibelius demo up and can use or
see your fonts with it!

best,

Joe Pehrson

--- In tuning@y..., "jpehrson2" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> Ertugral, I will also send you the file via e-mail.

Thanks Joe. I received the file and successfully opened it with Sib.
demo. It includes only two of the present 24 symbols but that doesn't
matter for a ßeta release.

> Now the problem I have is that I have *no idea* what the symbols
> mean!! aside from the obvious ones with quartertones.

They have ambigious meanings since several 'schools' use them for
similar or different functions. The NWC file lists some of them.
However, a guide will be included with the final release.

> Is there any way you could create a graphic file with the symbols
and
> what they mean in *text* so we could understand them, Ertugral??

Sure. But I want to add more symbols before then.

> Sibelius could easily do this, but I don't know if "Noteworthy
> Composer" can handle it.

It can do almost everything Sibelius does </satified customer mode>.
It's much more flexible and practical than most of its competants.
However, it still lacks some features (n-tuplets but triplets, stems
in opposite directions beamed together etc.)

> ****Unfortunately, Ertugral, Sibelius does not import and
> convert "Noteworthy Composer" files, and, frankly, I'm not too
> interested at this moment in taking the time to try to figure out
> something with that program, since I'm very involved with Sibelius.

Noteworthy Software offer a free player
<http://www.noteworthysoftware.com/player> and a free browser plugin
<http://www.noteworthysoftware.com/composer/plugin.htm> which is very
much like Scorch except that you cannot transpose of change tempo,
but print the file (even to file). When you have time, I recommend
you trying the software itself. It is worth it (considering it's
$39!).

Finally, I have added your .sib score to the package and updated the
readme file. The new version now lies in the files section:

</tuning/files/Accidentals>

Best regards,
Ertugrul

PS: I still need information to enrich the font. I'd be grateful if
those other than Joe also could write me about the project, send
images or score snippets including accidentals they use etc.