RESIST THE CORPORATE HOMOGENIZATION OF IMAGINATION

--- In tuning@y..., paul@s... wrote:

/tuning/topicId_32963.html#32963

>

Was there possibly more to this message that didn't come out, Paul,
or did your boss come in the room?? :)

JP

--- In tuning@y..., "jpehrson2" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@y..., paul@s... wrote:
>
> /tuning/topicId_32963.html#32963
>
> Was there possibly more to this message that didn't come out, Paul,
> or did your boss come in the room?? :)

Joe, I can fill it in for you. Paul's message said "Avoid the lemming-
like rush to fit your music into the 72-tET world that is being
thrust upon you from all sides!!! *Just* does it!!!!!"

[-advertisement-does-not-go-here-]

[no, Paul really didn't say that... :) I sent Paul a note off list,
hoping he'd clear this up - I actually thought someone hijacked his
email address for a moment!]

Cheers,
Jon

--- In tuning@y..., "jonszanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_32963.html#32973

> --- In tuning@y..., "jpehrson2" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> > --- In tuning@y..., paul@s... wrote:
> >
> > /tuning/topicId_32963.html#32963
> >
> > Was there possibly more to this message that didn't come out,
Paul, or did your boss come in the room?? :)
>
> Joe, I can fill it in for you. Paul's message said "Avoid the
lemming-
> like rush to fit your music into the 72-tET world that is being
> thrust upon you from all sides!!! *Just* does it!!!!!"

Jon... practically speaking 72 *is* just! Even Kraig Grady likes
it... how about *that!*

JP
>

--- In tuning@y..., "jpehrson2" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> Jon... practically speaking 72 *is* just! Even Kraig Grady likes
> it... how about *that!*

Tell me something I don't know already...

--- In tuning@y..., "jonszanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_32963.html#32978

> --- In tuning@y..., "jpehrson2" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> > Jon... practically speaking 72 *is* just! Even Kraig Grady likes
> > it... how about *that!*
>
> Tell me something I don't know already...

****I have learned, Jon, that that would be impossible...

:)

Any more on Metatuning... :)

JP

I think i said it would be the first ET i would consider. The problem is like in mean tone only
one size whole tone. In reality i want to inspire as many people as i can to NOT to use just then
i can have all the best sounding intervals ALL TO MYSELF.hehehe
kraigerfella

jpehrson2 wrote:

>
> Jon... practically speaking 72 *is* just! Even Kraig Grady likes
> it... how about *that!*

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

--- In tuning@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_32963.html#32990

> I think i said it would be the first ET i would consider. The
problem is like in mean tone only
> one size whole tone. In reality i want to inspire as many people as
i can to NOT to use just then
> i can have all the best sounding intervals ALL TO MYSELF.hehehe
> kraigerfella
>

That's a good one, Kraig...

Actually, I guess it's true I overstated your case on 72...

Well, Blackjack isn't an ET, so it's got to be *better* than the
regularity of an ET!

JP

--- In tuning@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:

> I think i said it would be the first ET i would consider. The problem is like in mean tone only
> one size whole tone.

It's not a meantone system, so 10/9 (11) and 9/8 (12) are distinct. It *is* a 225/224 system, so 16/15 and 15/14 (7) are conflated,
as are 25/24 and 28/27 (4). If you want to resist the corporate homogenization of imagination, you could try long strings of 4343 while everyone else is doing 5252. :)

genewardsmith wrote:

> --- In tuning@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
>
> > I think i said it would be the first ET i would consider. The problem is like in mean tone only
> > one size whole tone.
>
> It's not a meantone system, so 10/9 (11) and 9/8 (12) are distinct. It *is* a 225/224 system, so 16/15 and 15/14 (7) are conflated,
> as are 25/24 and 28/27 (4).

you are correct and not sure how i got that idea in my head. the other stuff is not good and it is always such things that bugs me the most especially the last pair, no
way. a 72 just system would be nice like the hebdomekontany. i did tune up this on one set of tubes but the metal was inferior. takes up alot of space.

> If you want to resist the corporate homogenization of imagination, you could try long strings of 4343 while everyone else is doing 5252. :)

this was Paul's title of a thread and unfortunately it is much too late to resist as it is long past the time when it became homogenized. it has all possibly become the
propaganda wing of the military
I do not understand the long string reference at all. but then again i have the feeling i am not supposed to

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

Joeus!
Actually a congrads on all this, i was partly pulling you leg
I would imagine that would trombones you could get just, (as long as there were enough acoustical
cues). On the other hand one could use a 72-notation as appox. to just intervals having a moveable
72 tone system. But maybe in the end that is what blackjack and or 72 would become.

jpehrson2 wrote:

> Actually, I guess it's true I overstated your case on 72...
>
> Well, Blackjack isn't an ET, so it's got to be *better* than the
> regularity of an ET!
>
> JP

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

--- In tuning@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_32963.html#33000

> Joeus!
> Actually a congrads on all this, i was partly pulling you leg
> I would imagine that would trombones you could get just, (as long
as there were enough acoustical
> cues). On the other hand one could use a 72-notation as appox. to
just intervals having a moveable
> 72 tone system. But maybe in the end that is what blackjack and or
72 would become.
>
>
> The Wandering Medicine Show
> Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

Actually, Kraig, so far things have been encouraging. It seems that
trombone players are somewhat "proud" of the idea that they can vary
their fundamentals with their slides... So, they seem to be more
interested in microtonality than I originally suspected. It's
something *they* can easily do that some other instrumentalists have
more difficulty with.

Yes, the idea of Blackjack is to get as close to *Just* as
possible... within 2 or 3 cents at most. That at least was the idea
when we (I say "we" but the math cats) "dreamed up" the scale...

I'm getting some *wonderful* sonorities with it. I sometimes use
dissonant chords, too, but when it finally resolves to an otonal
tetrad or such like, it's like a ray of sunshine...

I'm hoping to continue working with *only* the Blackjack scale for
some time, since I'm only just *starting* to get the "hang" of it's
possibilities!

Joeus

--- In tuning@y..., "jonszanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@y..., "jpehrson2" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> > Jon... practically speaking 72 *is* just! Even Kraig Grady likes
> > it... how about *that!*
>
> Tell me something I don't know already...

Bob W.:
So what are you complaining about, Jon?

--- In tuning@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
>
>
> genewardsmith wrote:
>
> > --- In tuning@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
> >
> > > I think i said it would be the first ET i would consider. The
problem is like in mean tone only
> > > one size whole tone.
> >
> > It's not a meantone system, so 10/9 (11) and 9/8 (12) are
distinct. It *is* a 225/224 system, so 16/15 and 15/14 (7) are
conflated,
> > as are 25/24 and 28/27 (4).
>
> you are correct and not sure how i got that idea in my head. the
other stuff is not good and it is always such things that bugs me
the most especially the last pair, no
> way. a 72 just system would be nice like the hebdomekontany. i did
tune up this on one set of tubes but the metal was inferior. takes up
alot of space.
>
> > If you want to resist the corporate homogenization of
imagination, you could try long strings of 4343 while everyone else
is doing 5252. :)
>
> this was Paul's title of a thread and unfortunately it is much too
late to resist as it is long past the time when it became
homogenized. it has all possibly become the
> propaganda wing of the military
> I do not understand the long string reference at all. but then
again i have the feeling i am not supposed to
>
> -- Kraig Grady
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
> http://www.anaphoria.com
>
> The Wandering Medicine Show
> Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

Bob W.:
Whence comes all this paranoia?!?! I, too, fail to grasp a lot of
things posted here, but I suffer no delusions concerning plots to
confuse, confound, or keep me out of an inner circle of the elite
few. Considering the helpfulness I've found whenever I asked for it,
I find these implications impossible to sympathize with.

--- In tuning@y..., "robert_wendell" <BobWendell@t...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > genewardsmith wrote:
> >
> > > --- In tuning@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think i said it would be the first ET i would consider. The
> problem is like in mean tone only
> > > > one size whole tone.
> > >
> > > It's not a meantone system, so 10/9 (11) and 9/8 (12) are
> distinct. It *is* a 225/224 system, so 16/15 and 15/14 (7) are
> conflated,
> > > as are 25/24 and 28/27 (4).
> >
> > you are correct and not sure how i got that idea in my head. the
> other stuff is not good and it is always such things that bugs me
> the most especially the last pair, no
> > way. a 72 just system would be nice like the hebdomekontany. i
did
> tune up this on one set of tubes but the metal was inferior. takes
up
> alot of space.
> >
> > > If you want to resist the corporate homogenization of
> imagination, you could try long strings of 4343 while everyone else
> is doing 5252. :)
> >
> > this was Paul's title of a thread and unfortunately it is much
too
> late to resist as it is long past the time when it became
> homogenized. it has all possibly become the
> > propaganda wing of the military
> > I do not understand the long string reference at all. but
then
> again i have the feeling i am not supposed to
> >
> > -- Kraig Grady
> > North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
> > http://www.anaphoria.com
> >
> > The Wandering Medicine Show
> > Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm
>
> Bob W.:
> Whence comes all this paranoia?!?! I, too, fail to grasp a lot of
> things posted here, but I suffer no delusions concerning plots to
> confuse, confound, or keep me out of an inner circle of the elite
> few. Considering the helpfulness I've found whenever I asked for
it,
> I find these implications impossible to sympathize with.

(Sometimes I wonder whether some of us are consuming too much weed.
That tends to engender such paranoia.)

--- In tuning@y..., "robert_wendell" <BobWendell@t...> wrote:
> Bob W.:
> So what are you complaining about, Jon?

Hi Bob - most of these people know me pretty well, esp Joe P., so he
knows I can see all the ramifications of 72 and the related
notations. It isn't that I'm complaining, except (and if only) for
the small corner that - once again - I don't believe everyone should
fit into one way of doing things, I don't think one way (or some
limited subset of ways) works for everyone. I like choice, and I like
choices for people who want them.

That's all, nothing more than that.

Cheers,
Jon

--- In tuning@y..., "robert_wendell" <BobWendell@t...> wrote:
> > Bob W.:
> > Whence comes all this paranoia?!?!
> > I find these implications impossible to sympathize with.
> (Sometimes I wonder whether some of us are consuming too much weed.
> That tends to engender such paranoia.)

a. You haven't seen the whole history of the tuning list(s); others
have endured more than what you've seen in a few months
b. Kraig can plant his tongue pretty firmly in cheek
c. It's not normally nice to accuse people of drug abuse when they
proffer strong, if strange, opinions.

Cheers,
Jon

Well then robert you explain it to me if you think it so helpful.

robert_wendell wrote:

>
>
> Bob W.:
> Whence comes all this paranoia?!?! I, too, fail to grasp a lot of
> things posted here, but I suffer no delusions concerning plots to
> confuse, confound, or keep me out of an inner circle of the elite
> few. Considering the helpfulness I've found whenever I asked for it,
> I find these implications impossible to sympathize with.
>
>

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

You are really really an ASSHOLE to imply such a thing , What grounds do you have to say it.
. Listen i don't smoke or drink and if i have pay attention to stuff here so what.
maybe coffee

robert_wendell wrote:

>
>
> (Sometimes I wonder whether some of us are consuming too much weed.
> That tends to engender such paranoia.)
>
> /

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

LISTEN I MAKE IT SIMPLE . I REFUSE TO BE ON THE SAME LIST WITH SUCH MORONIC METHODS OF CENSORSHIP
AND AM UNSUBSCRIBING ANDF WILL NOT RETURN UNTIL ROBERT IS OFF

jonszanto wrote:

> --- In tuning@y..., "robert_wendell" <BobWendell@t...> wrote:
> > > Bob W.:
> > > Whence comes all this paranoia?!?!
> > > I find these implications impossible to sympathize with.
> > (Sometimes I wonder whether some of us are consuming too much weed.
> > That tends to engender such paranoia.)
>
> a. You haven't seen the whole history of the tuning list(s); others
> have endured more than what you've seen in a few months
> b. Kraig can plant his tongue pretty firmly in cheek
> c. It's not normally nice to accuse people of drug abuse when they
> proffer strong, if strange, opinions.
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
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http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

--- In tuning@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:

> I do not understand the long string reference at all. but then again i have the feeling i am not supposed to

It seems it may be too late to help straighten this mess out, but we were talking about the 72 et, and I mentioned 4 and 7 72-et steps. The reference is to Blackjack, which has strings of 5252 in it, and I was mentioning one of the alternatives in a feeble effort at humor. Sorry for the unintended consequences. :(

--- In tuning@y..., "jonszanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@y..., "robert_wendell" <BobWendell@t...> wrote:
> > > Bob W.:
> > > Whence comes all this paranoia?!?!
> > > I find these implications impossible to sympathize with.
> > (Sometimes I wonder whether some of us are consuming too much
weed.
> > That tends to engender such paranoia.)
>
> a. You haven't seen the whole history of the tuning list(s); others
> have endured more than what you've seen in a few months
> b. Kraig can plant his tongue pretty firmly in cheek
> c. It's not normally nice to accuse people of drug abuse when they
> proffer strong, if strange, opinions.
>
> Cheers,
> Jon

Bob:
OK, Jon. Point well taken. Not intending to accuse any particualr
person. Just an idle, poorly-thought-out conjecture.

--- In tuning@y..., "robert_wendell" <rwendell@c...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@y..., "jonszanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> > --- In tuning@y..., "robert_wendell" <BobWendell@t...> wrote:
> > > > Bob W.:
> > > > Whence comes all this paranoia?!?!
> > > > I find these implications impossible to sympathize with.
> > > (Sometimes I wonder whether some of us are consuming too much
> weed.
> > > That tends to engender such paranoia.)
> >
> > a. You haven't seen the whole history of the tuning list(s);
others
> > have endured more than what you've seen in a few months
> > b. Kraig can plant his tongue pretty firmly in cheek
> > c. It's not normally nice to accuse people of drug abuse when
they
> > proffer strong, if strange, opinions.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jon
>
> Bob:
> OK, Jon. Point well taken. Not intending to accuse any particualr
> person. Just an idle, poorly-thought-out conjecture.

Bob contined:
I DO think that, however tongue in cheek they may purport to be, some
of the implications I've seen about Paul Erlich's and some few
others' manner and motives seem rather harsh and not "normally nice".
Maybe the senders of such posts should consider how "nice" some of
those things would feel if the direction were reversed.