New Scala uploaded

I have added a bit of MIDI sound to Scala now, download
http://www.xs4all.nl/~huygensf/software/Scala_Setup.exe
The concerning dialogs are
Edit->Sound settings
Edit->Edit scale and
Analyse->Tonality diamond

I made a virtual keyboard of the tonality diamond, you can
click on the squares to play them. Use the shift key or
left mouse button to hold the tones to form chords.
First you need to load a scale to make a diamond for.
If you don't want gaps you need to get a Partch-type scale
made with SQUARE or RECTANGLE, but any just scale will
do. Then select Analyse->Tonality diamond. This dialog can
be resized too. It would be nice if computers had two mice!
I planned to add more 2-D virtual keyboards later.
In the edit dialog you can hear the pitches too when you
select them. The selection can be moved with the arrow keys.

The help dialog has been improved too. You can double click
on a keyword to get the help for it.

Manuel

--- In tuning@y..., <manuel.op.de.coul@e...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_31649.html#31649

> I have added a bit of MIDI sound to Scala now, download
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~huygensf/software/Scala_Setup.exe
> The concerning dialogs are
> Edit->Sound settings
> Edit->Edit scale and
> Analyse->Tonality diamond
>
> I made a virtual keyboard of the tonality diamond, you can
> click on the squares to play them. Use the shift key or
> left mouse button to hold the tones to form chords.
> First you need to load a scale to make a diamond for.
> If you don't want gaps you need to get a Partch-type scale
> made with SQUARE or RECTANGLE, but any just scale will
> do. Then select Analyse->Tonality diamond. This dialog can
> be resized too. It would be nice if computers had two mice!
> I planned to add more 2-D virtual keyboards later.
> In the edit dialog you can hear the pitches too when you
> select them. The selection can be moved with the arrow keys.
>
> The help dialog has been improved too. You can double click
> on a keyword to get the help for it.
>
> Manuel

Well... this is pretty neat, Manuel. Thank you.

It took me a while to figure out what you meant by:

"Analyse->Tonality diamond"

I was trying to type that in for a while...I'm so used to typing
things in Scala...

Until I realized it was the *drop down* graphic menu you were
referring to!

.....

Joseph

> I have added a bit of MIDI sound to Scala now, download
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~huygensf/software/Scala_Setup.exe
> The concerning dialogs are
> Edit->Sound settings
> Edit->Edit scale and
> Analyse->Tonality diamond

You have no idea how much that Play Selected Pitch function helps me out.
Good work!

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Danny wrote:
>You have no idea how much that Play Selected Pitch function helps me out.
>Good work!

Thanks. Quite a bit of new code went in there to make a
multiple selection playable and work in combination with
the key and button actions.

Note that one can also use it now to measure the scale of
an instrument. Just take a big ET like 600 or 1200-tET and
adjust the pitch with the arrow keys until the beating
vanishes.

Manuel

> I made a virtual keyboard of the tonality diamond, you can
> click on the squares to play them.

Awesome! I guess I can no longer resist the Scala gui...
If only the mouse cursor would point from the right -- very
annoying!

> It would be nice if computers had two mice!

Indeed. Have you considered overlay shapes, like:

| ------- |
| |
| +----
|

etc.?

> I planned to add more 2-D virtual keyboards later.

Good. Consider my 9-limit tiling (488.jpg in the "carl"
folder in the files section)?

> The help dialog has been improved too. You can double click
> on a keyword to get the help for it.

None of the html stuff seems to open from the help menu,
such as F1/Browse Help File. I get a command window, which
immediately disappears, and that's it. Probably some
weirdness on my system with opening a browser? I can type
a path to a .html file in a command window and get it in
my browser. This is Win2K.

-Carl

From: <manuel.op.de.coul@eon-benelux.com>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [tuning] New Scala uploaded

> Note that one can also use it now to measure the scale of
> an instrument. Just take a big ET like 600 or 1200-tET and
> adjust the pitch with the arrow keys until the beating
> vanishes.

But Scala only lets me create scales of up to 500 tones! When do I get to
work out my 665-tone equal/just/Pythagorean scales?

~DaW~

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Carl wrote:
>If only the mouse cursor would point from the right -- very
>annoying!

Doesn't it point from the right??

>Indeed. Have you considered overlay shapes, like:

>| ------- |
>| |
>| +----
>|

Could you explain this in more detail?

>Good. Consider my 9-limit tiling (488.jpg in the "carl"
>folder in the files section)?

I'll have a look.

>None of the html stuff seems to open from the help menu,
>such as F1/Browse Help File. I get a command window, which
>immediately disappears, and that's it.

Then you need to adapt the browse.cmd file to Win2K. Please send it
to me when it works.

Manuel

Danny, simply edit params.par to increase the
scale size to whichever amount of memory you can
spare.

Manuel

>>If only the mouse cursor would point from the right -- very
>>annoying!
>
> Doesn't it point from the right??

The Gtk cursor points from the lower-left to the upper-right.
The Windows cursor points from the lower-right to the upper-left.

>>Indeed. Have you considered overlay shapes, like:
>>
>> | ------- |
>> | |
>> | +----
>> |
>
> Could you explain this in more detail?

The user can select new shapes for his cursor from a menu,
which activate all virtual keys they cover. So the shape
on the far left, above, would be a utonal chord in the case
of a large, un-tilted diamond. You could even make shapes
like -_____-, where the underscores are empty, to get
parallel harmony at, say, a sixth. Not quite as nice as
having two mice, but for mortal men it should suffice.

>>None of the html stuff seems to open from the help menu,
>>such as F1/Browse Help File. I get a command window, which
>>immediately disappears, and that's it.
>
>Then you need to adapt the browse.cmd file to Win2K. Please send it
>to me when it works.

You're using an absolute path to explorer.exe, which is not a
good idea. NT versions up to Windows XP default WINDIR to
C:\WINNT, and of course the user can choose any name he likes
on install, in any version of windows. Fortunately, explorer.exe
is practically guaranteed to be in the path, so you can just cut
the "C:\Windows\" out of your file and it should work everywhere.

-Carl

Hi Carl,

--- In tuning@y..., "clumma" <carl@l...> wrote:
> The Gtk cursor points from the lower-left to the upper-right.

OK, I'll bite: is this an operating system I don't know about? What
is "Gtk"?

Curious,
Jon

> OK, I'll bite: is this an operating system I don't know about? What
> is "Gtk"?

That's the GIMP toolkit. gtk.org.

-C.

--- In tuning@y..., "clumma" <carl@l...> wrote:
> That's the GIMP toolkit. gtk.org.

Thanks Carl. Now that I see the "Gimp" part of it I remember some of
their tools when I was programming more frequently.

However, I would say that someone like Manuel would want to be
working on the program, development-wise, from the most-used platform
down to the least-used; only in this way does he target the most
users the best. If it takes a while, it will trickle down to the *nix
platforms, perhaps.

Ah, the multiplicity of supporting a program on so many op sys and
hardware. I'm glad I'm not pulling my hair out over those problems
anymore. These days the worst I have to worry about is cross-browser
compatibility! :)

Cheers,
Jon

> However, I would say that someone like Manuel would want to be
> working on the program, development-wise, from the most-used
> platform down to the least-used; only in this way does he target
> the most users the best. If it takes a while, it will trickle
> down to the *nix platforms, perhaps.

Just in case there's any confusion, I'm running Windows 2000
(Gtk+ has a Windows port).

-Carl

Carl wrote:

>The Gtk cursor points from the lower-left to the upper-right.

It does so when pointing to a menu, but in dialogs, it points
from the lower-right to the upper-left, also under Win2K on my pc.

>The user can select new shapes for his cursor from a menu,
>which activate all virtual keys they cover.

I get it, nice idea, will think about it.

Manuel

I've added another virtual keyboard gizmo to Scala.
It's "Triad player" in the Analyse menu. The pitch resolution
depends on the size of the dialog window and the screen
resolution, so it's higher if you increase both. It can
also be used to try simple scale chords. If you want a
larger pitch range, then extend the scale to include more
octaves.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~huygensf/software/Scala_Setup.exe

A merry end of the year everyone.

Manuel