Blackjack for real guitar and bass

Well, it has taken longer than I thought to get to this point, but I
am ready to build a Blackjack guitar and bass. I have the instruments,
they are now fretless and I am ready to begin slotting for frets, but
I am unsure which variation to use. I would love to be able to tune
the strings in fourths. Is this reasonable? Also, I haven't been
monitoring the list at all for a while, so I am sure I missed out on
quite a bit. Is there some agreement on how a guitar should be laid
out?

John Starrett

--- In tuning@y..., "John Starrett" <jstarret@c...> wrote:
> Well, it has taken longer than I thought to get to this point, but I
> am ready to build a Blackjack guitar and bass. I have the
instruments,
> they are now fretless and I am ready to begin slotting for frets,
but
> I am unsure which variation to use. I would love to be able to tune
> the strings in fourths. Is this reasonable? Also, I haven't been
> monitoring the list at all for a while, so I am sure I missed out on
> quite a bit. Is there some agreement on how a guitar should be laid
> out?

Hi John,

See:
Guitar fingerboard for MIRACLE scale
/tuning/topicId_12590.html#28841

Re: Blackjack Guitar
/tuning/topicId_29428.html#29443
/tuning/topicId_29428.html#29454
/tuning/topicId_29428.html#29455
/tuning/topicId_29428.html#29464
/tuning/topicId_29428.html#29466
/tuning/topicId_29428.html#29544

The tuned-by-thirds fingerboard
http://dkeenan.com/Music/Miracle/BlackjackGuitar.gif

Regards,

--- In tuning@y..., "Dave Keenan" <D.KEENAN@U...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@y..., "John Starrett" <jstarret@c...> wrote:
> > Well, it has taken longer than I thought to get to this point, but
I
> > am ready to build a Blackjack guitar and bass.
<snip>
>
> Hi John,
>
> See:
> Guitar fingerboard for MIRACLE scale
> /tuning/topicId_12590.html#28841
>
> Re: Blackjack Guitar
> /tuning/topicId_29428.html#29443
> /tuning/topicId_29428.html#29454
> /tuning/topicId_29428.html#29455
> /tuning/topicId_29428.html#29464
> /tuning/topicId_29428.html#29466
> /tuning/topicId_29428.html#29544
>
> The tuned-by-thirds fingerboard
> http://dkeenan.com/Music/Miracle/BlackjackGuitar.gif
<snip>

Thanks, Dave. Does that mean I will actually have to read and think?

JS

--- In tuning@y..., "John Starrett" <jstarret@c...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@y..., "Dave Keenan" <D.KEENAN@U...> wrote:
> > --- In tuning@y..., "John Starrett" <jstarret@c...> wrote:
> > > Well, it has taken longer than I thought to get to this point,
but
> I
> > > am ready to build a Blackjack guitar and bass.
> <snip>
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > See:
> > Guitar fingerboard for MIRACLE scale
> > /tuning/topicId_12590.html#28841
> >
> > Re: Blackjack Guitar
> > /tuning/topicId_29428.html#29443
> > /tuning/topicId_29428.html#29454
> > /tuning/topicId_29428.html#29455
> > /tuning/topicId_29428.html#29464
> > /tuning/topicId_29428.html#29466
> > /tuning/topicId_29428.html#29544
> >
> > The tuned-by-thirds fingerboard
> > http://dkeenan.com/Music/Miracle/BlackjackGuitar.gif
> <snip>
>
> Thanks, Dave. Does that mean I will actually have to read and think?
>
> JS

The first one is the one that's tuned in standard 12-tET guitar
tuning (just use the bottom four strings for bass), so I think it's
the one you want. It gives you a full Canasta scale, which includes
11 different transpositions of the Blackjack scale. However, given
that we seem to be adopting a Blackjack standard that isn't one of
these 11 transpositions, and given that I'll be away from my MATLAB
until next week, I'll have to ask Dave Keenan to modify this so that
it's compatible with our new standard (or you can wait for me to do
it next week).

--- In tuning@y..., "Paul Erlich" <paul@s...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_30428.html#30453

>
> The first one is the one that's tuned in standard 12-tET guitar
> tuning (just use the bottom four strings for bass), so I think it's
> the one you want. It gives you a full Canasta scale, which includes
> 11 different transpositions of the Blackjack scale. However, given
> that we seem to be adopting a Blackjack standard that isn't one of
> these 11 transpositions, and given that I'll be away from my MATLAB
> until next week, I'll have to ask Dave Keenan to modify this so
that
> it's compatible with our new standard (or you can wait for me to do
> it next week).

To my knowledge, after reading the most recent posts, the "new
standard" hasn't really been decided upon yet... Correct, Paul?

JP

--- In tuning@y..., jpehrson@r... wrote:
> --- In tuning@y..., "Paul Erlich" <paul@s...> wrote:
>
> /tuning/topicId_30428.html#30453
>
> >
> > The first one is the one that's tuned in standard 12-tET guitar
> > tuning (just use the bottom four strings for bass), so I think
it's
> > the one you want. It gives you a full Canasta scale, which
includes
> > 11 different transpositions of the Blackjack scale. However,
given
> > that we seem to be adopting a Blackjack standard that isn't one
of
> > these 11 transpositions, and given that I'll be away from my
MATLAB
> > until next week, I'll have to ask Dave Keenan to modify this so
> that
> > it's compatible with our new standard (or you can wait for me to
do
> > it next week).
>
>
> To my knowledge, after reading the most recent posts, the "new
> standard" hasn't really been decided upon yet... Correct, Paul?
>
> JP

Right. I think a bass player would be happiest with the unique
transposition of Blackjack that contains the 12-tET E, A, D, and
G . . .