to be fair

From our "favorite" microtonal composer, Karlheinz Stockhausen's
current website:

Professor Karlheinz Stockhausen
51515 Kürten
GERMANY

Message from Professor Karlheinz Stockhausen

After returning from Hamburg I find false, defamatory reports in the
press.

I am as dismayed as everyone else about the attacks in America.

At the press conference in Hamburg, I was asked if MICHAEL, EVE and
LUCIFER were historical figures of the past and I answered that they
exist now, for example Lucifer in New York.

In my work, I have defined Lucifer as the cosmic spirit of rebellion,
of anarchy. He uses his high degree of intelligence to destroy
creation. He does not know love.

After further questions about the events in America, I said that such
a plan appeared to be Lucifer's greatest work of art. Of course I
used the designation "work of art" to mean the work of destruction
personified in Lucifer. In the context of my other comments this was
unequivocal.

I cannot find a fitting name for such a "satanic composition". In my
case, it was not and is not my intention to hurt anyone. Since the
beginning of the attack onward I have felt solidarity with all of the
human beings mourning this atrocity.

Not for one moment have I thought or felt the way my words are now
being interpreted in the press.

The journalist in Hamburg completely ripped my statements out of a
context, which he had not recorded in its entirety, to use it as a
vile attack against my person and the Hamburg Music Festival.

This whole situation is regrettable and I am deeply sorry if my
remarks were misconstrued to offend the grieving families of the
brutal terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington D.C. I will
continue to keep the victims of this outrage in my prayers

Karlheinz Stockhausen
September 19, 2001

----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------

Statement by Webmaster
Stockhausen's comments during the Hamburg interview were delivered in
the context of a metaphoric line of questioning. He provided an
allegorical answer to an allegorical question.

Anyone who knows Stockhausen can tell you that he is a compassionate
and thoughtful person. The journalist who spewed forth this
unconscionable poison should immediately retract his untruthful
reporting and publish an apology to Stockhausen.

I live in the USA and we are doing our best with God's help to get
through this cowardly and hateful attack on our nation by terrorists.

I also serve as Chairman of the Board of Directors of a Fire
Protection District. I personally am acquainted with heroic fire
fighters from our area who are tirelessly laboring at Ground Zero in
NYC. As a loyal and patriotic American, I can tell you that Karlheinz
Stockhausen is not the kind of man to condone terrorism in ANY form.

On September 13 Kathinka Pasveer sent me a thoughtful fax from
Karlheinz, Suzee Stephens (who is American) and herself that said "We
all follow the tragedy in the USA and pray for you all. So terrible."

The reporter who wrote this rubbish for the sake of his own financial
and professional gain should be condemned by the public for his
sensational lies and promptly fired by his employer.

James Stonebraker, Webmaster
St. Louis, Missouri USA
September 19, 2001

Thanks, Joseph, for this perspective on the Stockhausen debacle. Even
if the guy is a total jerk, I have to believe that his words were taken
out of context.

In trying times such as these, it is tempting to find scapegoats, people
who in some strange way comfort us by representing "evil". I believe
that we must resist the temptation to jump on such bandwagons. Now,
more than ever, we need to make our judgements carefully reasoned,
and avoid if at all possible falling into the "shoot first, ask
questions later" mentality.

JdL

----- Original Message -----
From: John A. deLaubenfels <jdl@adaptune.com>

> Thanks, Joseph, for this perspective on the Stockhausen debacle. Even
> if the guy is a total jerk, I have to believe that his words were taken
> out of context.

I agree.

* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley

--- In tuning@y..., "David Beardsley" <davidbeardsley@b...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_28414.html#28416

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John A. deLaubenfels <jdl@a...>
>
> > Thanks, Joseph, for this perspective on the Stockhausen debacle.
Even
> > if the guy is a total jerk, I have to believe that his words were
taken
> > out of context.
>
> I agree.
>
> * David Beardsley
> * http://biink.com
> * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley

Another thing, possibly, to keep in mind, is that the arts are
significantly more "political" in Europe, or so I've heard... Why
are they not here?? Well, nobody really cares here.

In this case, it could have been a journalist out to destroy
Stockhausen and his participation in the Hamburg festival, as implied
by Stockhausen's website...

If so, at least regarding the Hamburg festival, he succeeded, since
the Stockhausen concerts were cancelled...

________ ________ ________
Joseph Pehrson

jpehrson@rcn.com schrieb:
> --- In tuning@y..., "David Beardsley" <davidbeardsley@b...> wrote:
>
> /tuning/topicId_28414.html#28416
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John A. deLaubenfels <jdl@a...>
> >
> > > Thanks, Joseph, for this perspective on the Stockhausen debacle.
> Even
> > > if the guy is a total jerk, I have to believe that his words were
> taken
> > > out of context.
> >
> > I agree.
> >
> > * David Beardsley
> > * http://biink.com
> > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley
>
>
> Another thing, possibly, to keep in mind, is that the arts are
> significantly more "political" in Europe, or so I've heard... Why
> are they not here?? Well, nobody really cares here.
>
> In this case, it could have been a journalist out to destroy
> Stockhausen and his participation in the Hamburg festival, as implied
> by Stockhausen's website...

*************************************************************
I wonder hosw likely it would be that a supposedly intelligent
person falls into such a trap.

Herbert Anton Kellner
*************************************************************

>
> If so, at least regarding the Hamburg festival, he succeeded, since
> the Stockhausen concerts were cancelled...
>
> ________ ________ ________
> Joseph Pehrson
>
>
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--- In tuning@y..., ha.kellner@t... wrote:

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>
> *************************************************************
> I wonder hosw likely it would be that a supposedly intelligent
> person falls into such a trap.
>
> Herbert Anton Kellner
> *************************************************************
>

Hello Herbert...

Well, this is an interesting comment...

According to some researchers, IIRC, there are *seven* different
kinds of intelligence. Perhaps Stockhausen is missing about *six* of
them??

_________ ________ ________ _____
Joseph Pehrson

jpehrson@rcn.com schrieb:
> >From our "favorite" microtonal composer, Karlheinz Stockhausen's
> current website:
>
> Professor Karlheinz Stockhausen
> 51515 K�rten
> GERMANY
>
> Message from Professor Karlheinz Stockhausen
>
> After returning from Hamburg I find false, defamatory reports in the
> press.
>
> I am as dismayed as everyone else about the attacks in America.
>
> At the press conference in Hamburg, I was asked if MICHAEL, EVE and
> LUCIFER were historical figures of the past and I answered that they
> exist now, for example Lucifer in New York.
>
> In my work, I have defined Lucifer as the cosmic spirit of rebellion,
> of anarchy. He uses his high degree of intelligence to destroy
> creation. He does not know love.
>
> After further questions about the events in America, I said that such
> a plan appeared to be Lucifer's greatest work of art. Of course I
> used the designation "work of art" to mean the work of destruction
> personified in Lucifer. In the context of my other comments this was
> unequivocal.
>
> I cannot find a fitting name for such a "satanic composition". In my
> case, it was not and is not my intention to hurt anyone. Since the
> beginning of the attack onward I have felt solidarity with all of the
> human beings mourning this atrocity.
>
> Not for one moment have I thought or felt the way my words are now
> being interpreted in the press.

******************************************************************
As regards the words uttered after what happened, the words should
have been formulated such a way that they would NOT admit any
"interpretation"; such as "I am terribly shocked and profoundly
saddened".

It is remarkable that those words did not express ANY human
compassion for cynically destroyed human beings, families
disrupted forever. Or do they?

There cannot exist any relation or link between that tragic event
a composer's work, be Lucifer involved.

Herbert Anton Kellner
******************************************************************

>
> The journalist in Hamburg completely ripped my statements out of a
> context, which he had not recorded in its entirety, to use it as a
> vile attack against my person and the Hamburg Music Festival.
>
> This whole situation is regrettable and I am deeply sorry if my
> remarks were misconstrued to offend the grieving families of the
> brutal terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington D.C. I will
> continue to keep the victims of this outrage in my prayers
>
> Karlheinz Stockhausen
> September 19, 2001
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
>
> Statement by Webmaster
> Stockhausen's comments during the Hamburg interview were delivered in
> the context of a metaphoric line of questioning. He provided an
> allegorical answer to an allegorical question.
>
> Anyone who knows Stockhausen can tell you that he is a compassionate
> and thoughtful person. The journalist who spewed forth this
> unconscionable poison should immediately retract his untruthful
> reporting and publish an apology to Stockhausen.
>
> I live in the USA and we are doing our best with God's help to get
> through this cowardly and hateful attack on our nation by terrorists.
>
> I also serve as Chairman of the Board of Directors of a Fire
> Protection District. I personally am acquainted with heroic fire
> fighters from our area who are tirelessly laboring at Ground Zero in
> NYC. As a loyal and patriotic American, I can tell you that Karlheinz
> Stockhausen is not the kind of man to condone terrorism in ANY form.
>
> On September 13 Kathinka Pasveer sent me a thoughtful fax from
> Karlheinz, Suzee Stephens (who is American) and herself that said "We
> all follow the tragedy in the USA and pray for you all. So terrible."
>
> The reporter who wrote this rubbish for the sake of his own financial
> and professional gain should be condemned by the public for his
> sensational lies and promptly fired by his employer.
>
> James Stonebraker, Webmaster
> St. Louis, Missouri USA
> September 19, 2001
>
>
>
>
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--- In tuning@y..., "D.Stearns" <STEARNS@C...> wrote:

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> I'm completely with Herbert Anton Kellner on this.
>
> While I can understand a freethinker such as Stockhausen speaking of
> this in this way, I oppose it and I can't swallow it--especially in
> light of how recent and potentially far-ranging this all is.
>
> Art is better than this, people are better than this... I don't buy
> the mindset and I certainly don't buy the idea that this is all a
> media created "out of context" uproar either--the context is clear,
> it's the content that stinks.
>
> --Dan Stearns
>
>

Please don't cast me as a "Stockhausen apologist" because I'm not.

After my first critical post, I thought it was only fair to include
what was written on the Stockhausen website...

That's all...

_________ ________ ________
Joseph Pehrson