sad state of tuning today

Hey all.

Listened to the 1st 30 seconds of Jacky's BlackJacky 2
song. Ug. Horrible. Please don't call it microtonality.

Is this blackjack scale really supposed to be
microtonal? What then do we mean by microtonal? I
suppose 12tET synth pop and 12tET pitch quantized
robovocals are microtonal too...

Tuned into MTV the other night and saw a video
by Eminem. Wow! Now that guy is creative. A real
artist. Great stuff. A mind like Shakespeare.

Tuned into the Country video station. What is this
stuff? What did they do with the country music? Seems
that station is a propaganda path to lure country folk
over to more of the usual cr*p.

Poppe in a CD of a band I briefly once used to enjoy -
Orbital. Ug. Drove me nuts. I absolutely can not stand
this 12tET pure synth music any more. It really really
grates on my nerves. And I was -trying- *hard* to like
it but I just couldn't.

Feh.

- J

--- In tuning@y..., "X. J. Scott" <xjscott@e...> wrote:

> Is this blackjack scale really supposed to be
> microtonal?

It has 21 notes to the octave, so it's microtonal.

What then do we mean by microtonal?

Something with microtones. Quarter-tones qualify.

> Tuned into MTV the other night and saw a video
> by Eminem. Wow! Now that guy is creative. A real
> artist. Great stuff. A mind like Shakespeare.

Not a chance. Shakespeare was genuinely brilliant as well as
creative. Also, his poetry scanned.

Hey Gene,

Thanks for your response.

> It has 21 notes to the octave, so it's microtonal.

Hm.

>> What then do we mean by microtonal?

> Something with microtones. Quarter-tones qualify.

Er, don't think blackjack is quartertonal, or are
you using it in the imprecise sense, like when people
say Arabic music has quartertones when it doesn't
really.

>> Tuned into MTV the other night and saw a video
>> by Eminem. Wow! Now that guy is creative. A real
>> artist. Great stuff. A mind like Shakespeare.
>
> Not a chance. Shakespeare was genuinely brilliant as well as
> creative. Also, his poetry scanned.

Are you kidding me?

Just had the incredible fortune to wake up with
insomnia and see the Stan video for the second time.
Eminem is obviously one of the greatest artists living
today. And one of the only ones who has the audacity
to try to express anything real. Almost all the art
I see and hear these days is so d*mn phoney it makes
be sick. Or without any relevance and meaning. Eminem
sends chills down my spine and wakes me up, brings
me to a greater awareness of the reality of our
lives here and the interconnectedness of all things.
His offering 'Stan' chills me to the bone and affects
me like no art I have encountered before.

The bard is pretty and interesting and yes is still
relevant but he does not connect with me in such a deep
emotional way. I have to say that Eminem is more
brilliant. His poetry is not analytical and
mathematical, but spiritual and intense in a way that
Shakespare was never able to achieve.

- Jeff

on 9/3/01 9:32 AM, tuning@yahoogroups.com at tuning@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 02:51:49 -0400
> From: "X. J. Scott" <xjscott@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Re: sad state of tuning today

>>> What then do we mean by microtonal?
>
>> Something with microtones. Quarter-tones qualify.

> Eminem is obviously one of the greatest artists living
> today. And one of the only ones who has the audacity
> to try to express anything real. Almost all the art
> I see and hear these days is so d*mn phoney it makes
> be sick. Or without any relevance and meaning. Eminem
> sends chills down my spine and wakes me up, brings
> me to a greater awareness of the reality of our
> lives here and the interconnectedness of all things.

Good morning Jeff,

Am I missing something here? Is Eminem microtonal then? If he is not, then
why are we discussing his work?

To my way of thinking, expression of rampant homophobia isn't microtonal.
Every week, somewhere in the US someone is gay-bashed, usually to a horrible
and violent death. That sends chills up and down my spine. If Eminem is
actually contributing something towards the end of homophobia instead of
encouraging it, please let me know. I don't see it.

I'd certainly agree with you that much of what passes for art these days
isn't art, it is "product", designed merely to market to a demographic
population of potential consumers with money in their wallets. I believe
there are real artists out there who are expressing real truths. But don't
try to find them in the Time-Warner-AOL media conglomerate.

Seth

--
Seth Austen

http://www.sethausten.com
emails: seth@sethausten.com
klezmusic@earthlink.net

--- In tuning@y..., "X. J. Scott" <xjscott@e...> wrote:

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>
> The bard is pretty and interesting and yes is still
> relevant but he does not connect with me in such a deep
> emotional way. I have to say that Eminem is more
> brilliant. His poetry is not analytical and
> mathematical, but spiritual and intense in a way that
> Shakespare was never able to achieve.
>
> - Jeff

Hmmm... I didn't realize that Eminem was our contemporary Shakespare.

I'll have to listen to some of his stuff...

_______ ______ _______
Joseph Pehrson

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jpehrson@rcn.com [mailto:jpehrson@rcn.com]

> Hmmm... I didn't realize that Eminem was our contemporary Shakespare.

he's not. whoever wrote that must have been smoking some adulterated crack
at the time.

D

Hello Mr Scott

NTet12 is one of 12tET's,ok :)
Can you try to listen my uploaded file(folder
Dimitrov)
I would to know what do you think about
(the file is in L3 format, but you can use the codecs
plugin also in my folder)

Thank you

Dimitrov

--- "X. J. Scott" <xjscott@earthlink.net> a �crit�: >
Hey all.
>
> Listened to the 1st 30 seconds of Jacky's BlackJacky
> 2
> song. Ug. Horrible. Please don't call it
> microtonality.
>
> Is this blackjack scale really supposed to be
> microtonal? What then do we mean by microtonal? I
> suppose 12tET synth pop and 12tET pitch quantized
> robovocals are microtonal too...
>
> Tuned into MTV the other night and saw a video
> by Eminem. Wow! Now that guy is creative. A real
> artist. Great stuff. A mind like Shakespeare.
>
> Tuned into the Country video station. What is this
> stuff? What did they do with the country music?
> Seems
> that station is a propaganda path to lure country
> folk
> over to more of the usual cr*p.
>
> Poppe in a CD of a band I briefly once used to enjoy
> -
> Orbital. Ug. Drove me nuts. I absolutely can not
> stand
> this 12tET pure synth music any more. It really
> really
> grates on my nerves. And I was -trying- *hard* to
> like
> it but I just couldn't.
>
> Feh.
>
> - J
>
>
>

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--- In tuning@y..., "X. J. Scott" <xjscott@e...> wrote:
> Hey all.
>
> Listened to the 1st 30 seconds of Jacky's BlackJacky 2
> song. Ug. Horrible. Please don't call it microtonality.

I told Jacky that he must have made a mistake implementing the tuning. That opening segment was supposed to be based
on the Mohajira scale, but clearly it didn't come out that way.

> Is this blackjack scale really supposed to be
> microtonal?

Of course! It doesn't even have a recognizable major scale in it. Have _you_ played with it?

--- In tuning@y..., "X. J. Scott" <xjscott@e...> wrote:
> Hey Gene,
>
> Thanks for your response.
>
> > It has 21 notes to the octave, so it's microtonal.
>
> Hm.
>
> >> What then do we mean by microtonal?
>
> > Something with microtones. Quarter-tones qualify.
>
> Er, don't think blackjack is quartertonal, or are
> you using it in the imprecise sense, like when people
> say Arabic music has quartertones when it doesn't
> really.

Blackjack alternates steps of 83 cents with steps of 33 cents. That's not microtonal?

Arabic music has lots of 3/4-tones . . . in order to play all the modes, you need to make 1/4-tone distinctions . . . I'd call that
a microtonal tuning system.