What is this?

Strange phenomenon?
-------------------

I have noticed the following a sufficiently large number of times,
and thought I shold invite the learned Tuning members' attention:-

Once in a while, I accompany myself on the standard keyboard, when
singing. When I am singing a raga [like Bihag, Yaman etc.] with
strong and sustained Ga (E, with C as the Sa, the reference note), I
find Ga intolerably and disturbingly high. Since I cannot change the
pitch of any single note on my keyboard, I lower the pitch of Ga(E)
to my need, thereby lowering all the notes on the keyboard, INCLUDING
my Sa. My Sa (C) remains the same, only it sounds lower. Thus, Ga is
the only note with correct pitch -- all other notes are too low now.

My questions are: (1) I should find the sound of all the lowered notes
(except Ga) very jarring and intolerable; but I do NOT. Is it, that
in such cases,I prefer the the 5/4 tuning to the tuning of 1/1?
This, of course, results in beat generation, but the accompanying
drone would be in the correct Sa, making beats sound like "coarse"
only.
(2) Has anyone experienced/observed such a phenomenon?

Thanking in advance, and regards,
Haresh.

--- In tuning@y..., "Haresh BAKSHI" <hareshbakshi@h...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_27716.html#27716

> Strange phenomenon?
> -------------------
>
> I have noticed the following a sufficiently large number of times,
> and thought I shold invite the learned Tuning members' attention:-
>
> Once in a while, I accompany myself on the standard keyboard, when
> singing. When I am singing a raga [like Bihag, Yaman etc.] with
> strong and sustained Ga (E, with C as the Sa, the reference note),
I
> find Ga intolerably and disturbingly high. Since I cannot change
the
> pitch of any single note on my keyboard, I lower the pitch of Ga(E)
> to my need, thereby lowering all the notes on the keyboard,
INCLUDING
> my Sa. My Sa (C) remains the same, only it sounds lower. Thus, Ga
is
> the only note with correct pitch -- all other notes are too low
now.
>
> My questions are: (1) I should find the sound of all the lowered
notes
> (except Ga) very jarring and intolerable; but I do NOT. Is it, that
> in such cases,I prefer the the 5/4 tuning to the tuning of 1/1?
> This, of course, results in beat generation, but the accompanying
> drone would be in the correct Sa, making beats sound like "coarse"
> only.
> (2) Has anyone experienced/observed such a phenomenon?
>
> Thanking in advance, and regards,
> Haresh.

There has been quite a bit of psychoacoustic literature, and Brian
McLaren has reprinted some of it, that speaks of the phenominon of a
major third being perceived as "wide..."

We also had a huge discussion on this list about a "high third" that
was perceived high in choral singing.

Maybe Paul can tell if this has anything to do with your
perception....

_______ _______ ______ _____
Joseph Pehrson

Hi there :)

If I can permit to me...

The JI is one true jungle!!!
Why ? Because we have never learn correctly this !
The explanation could be very good if my english...ok
:))
When we sing no one law of tuning is up !
If your keyboard have one division tuning modern
conception you are not a "math-robot" :)
But remember one thing!
No all of natural tendences in intonation is good!
It's little like the life himself :)
If you can listen my upload in Dimitrov folder-say me
if UT12 is near to your conception of just
intonation:)
Try to sing with the sequence file...
You will be never surprised !!!
UT12 work nice :)

Soon ?
Dimitrov

--- jpehrson@rcn.com a �crit�: > --- In tuning@y...,
"Haresh BAKSHI"
> <hareshbakshi@h...> wrote:
>
> /tuning/topicId_27716.html#27716
>
>
> > Strange phenomenon?
> > -------------------
> >
> > I have noticed the following a sufficiently large
> number of times,
> > and thought I shold invite the learned Tuning
> members' attention:-
> >
> > Once in a while, I accompany myself on the
> standard keyboard, when
> > singing. When I am singing a raga [like Bihag,
> Yaman etc.] with
> > strong and sustained Ga (E, with C as the Sa, the
> reference note),
> I
> > find Ga intolerably and disturbingly high. Since
> I cannot change
> the
> > pitch of any single note on my keyboard, I lower
> the pitch of Ga(E)
> > to my need, thereby lowering all the notes on the
> keyboard,
> INCLUDING
> > my Sa. My Sa (C) remains the same, only it sounds
> lower. Thus, Ga
> is
> > the only note with correct pitch -- all other
> notes are too low
> now.
> >
> > My questions are: (1) I should find the sound of
> all the lowered
> notes
> > (except Ga) very jarring and intolerable; but I do
> NOT. Is it, that
> > in such cases,I prefer the the 5/4 tuning to the
> tuning of 1/1?
> > This, of course, results in beat generation, but
> the accompanying
> > drone would be in the correct Sa, making beats
> sound like "coarse"
> > only.
> > (2) Has anyone experienced/observed such a
> phenomenon?
> >
> > Thanking in advance, and regards,
> > Haresh.
>
> There has been quite a bit of psychoacoustic
> literature, and Brian
> McLaren has reprinted some of it, that speaks of the
> phenominon of a
> major third being perceived as "wide..."
>
> We also had a huge discussion on this list about a
> "high third" that
> was perceived high in choral singing.
>
> Maybe Paul can tell if this has anything to do with
> your
> perception....
>
> _______ _______ ______ _____
> Joseph Pehrson
>
>
>

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--- In tuning@y..., jpehrson@r... wrote:
> --- In tuning@y..., "Haresh BAKSHI" <hareshbakshi@h...> wrote:
>
> /tuning/topicId_27716.html#27716
>
>
> > Strange phenomenon?
> > -------------------
> >
> > I have noticed the following a sufficiently large number of times,
> > and thought I shold invite the learned Tuning members' attention:-
> >
> > Once in a while, I accompany myself on the standard keyboard, when
> > singing. When I am singing a raga [like Bihag, Yaman etc.] with
> > strong and sustained Ga (E, with C as the Sa, the reference note),
> I
> > find Ga intolerably and disturbingly high. Since I cannot change
> the
> > pitch of any single note on my keyboard, I lower the pitch of Ga(E)
> > to my need, thereby lowering all the notes on the keyboard,
> INCLUDING
> > my Sa. My Sa (C) remains the same, only it sounds lower. Thus, Ga
> is
> > the only note with correct pitch -- all other notes are too low
> now.
> >
> > My questions are: (1) I should find the sound of all the lowered
> notes
> > (except Ga) very jarring and intolerable; but I do NOT. Is it, that
> > in such cases,I prefer the the 5/4 tuning to the tuning of 1/1?
> > This, of course, results in beat generation, but the accompanying
> > drone would be in the correct Sa, making beats sound like "coarse"
> > only.
> > (2) Has anyone experienced/observed such a phenomenon?
> >
> > Thanking in advance, and regards,
> > Haresh.
>
> There has been quite a bit of psychoacoustic literature, and Brian
> McLaren has reprinted some of it, that speaks of the phenominon of a
> major third being perceived as "wide..."
>
> We also had a huge discussion on this list about a "high third" that
> was perceived high in choral singing.
>
> Maybe Paul can tell if this has anything to do with your
> perception....

On the contrary, Haresh is saying he prefers the major third _pure_, and doesn't mind the unison
and octave _flat_!