Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning Microtonal guitar/synth questions...

I have seen many messages talking about 17-limit guitars or
synthesizers. My questions is what instrumentation do you use to
accomplish this? As far as I have found out, there are no
synthesizer companies which currently produce any keyboards capable
of Just Intonation ratios. With guitars, there are only MIDI
controller varieties which would have to connect to a synth in order
to work. What software are you and others using to achieve these
microtonal capabilities? That is what I am wondering. I am
searching for specific software which must be created if it has not
been created already. So far, most of you have been basically
ignoring all of my messages and ramble on about all of this technical
jargon. What good are symbols written on paper if you are unable to
hear what you are describing?
I would appreciate some real help on this one since I have not
found any here before. There are only 3 types of computer software
for PC which I have found any substantial merit in. They are the
Midicode Synthesizer, the Phi Music Generator, and the Justonic Pitch
Palette. All three of these have serious drawbacks. I am looking
for software which allows full keyboard custom tuning in Hz of each
individual key with any scale length possible. This software would
also allow for automatic modulation with in the scale when it is
shifted to other keys. I would also like to know of synth guitars
which have the possibility to be connected to the synth for full
tuning range.
Midicode Synthesizer has a 64 note scale length limit and has
dynamic retuning. Dynamic retuning is pathetic because YOU HAVE TO
SET THE KEY NOTE BEFORE YOU PLAY IN THE NEW KEY. This is ridiculous;
it is not automatic modulation. The Phi Music Generator has full
keyboard scales of any Hz tuning, but as far as I know, it does not
have automatic modulation or modulation ability to any degree.
Justonic Tuning only has a 12 note scale length limit, but it does
have automatic modulation within certain limitations. I just
purchased the software, so it will be a while before I can test it.
I talked to the owner, and he said that there are some instances
where the computer cannot recognize what chord/scale is being
played. This is a setback, but the software seems like the best
alternative out there.
FINDING THE IDEAL SOFTWARE IS PARAMOUNT TO ME AND SHOULD BE
PARAMOUNT TO ALL OF YOU. I cannot see why finding software which
truly has infinite possibilities is not of vast importance to you.
Modulation is of prime concern when it comes to pure ratio scale
systems. You should know this. Please contact me at
PageWizard17@aol.com if you have any truly useful information
regarding this.

Thank you,
PageWizard

🔗shreeswifty <ppagano@bellsouth.net>

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@lumma.org>

>As far as I have found out, there are no synthesizer companies
>which currently produce any keyboards capable of Just Intonation
>ratios.

Not sure what you mean here. There are many synths on the market
that can play in user-defined tunings. As far as I know, there is
only one keyboard in production that isn't of the 7-white, 5-black
type:

http://catalog.com/starrlab/keyboards.html

>So far, most of you have been basically ignoring all of my
>messages and ramble on about all of this technical jargon.

Sorry, PageWizard! I haven't seen any of your posts before.
I guess I don't follow the list as closely as I should.

>What good are symbols written on paper if you are unable to
>hear what you are describing?

Most of us here have setups at home that allow us to hear what
we write about. Try:

http://home.att.net/~microtonal/

http://www.xs4all.nl/~huygensf/scala/
http://www.tunesmithy.connectfree.co.uk/
http://www.cix.co.uk/~gbreed/software.htm
http://www.justonic.com/

>I am looking for software which allows full keyboard custom tuning
>in Hz of each individual key with any scale length possible. This
>software would also allow for automatic modulation with in the
>scale when it is shifted to other keys.

John deLaubenfels had an alpha release of an automatic intonation
program, but I don't know its current status. More rececntly,
John has focused on "leisure" automatic retuning... of existing
midi files, as opposed to real time performance. John is on
this list, and has a web site at http://www.adaptune.com/.

Dave Keenan has done work on real-time key guessing, and is on
the list.

Recently, Stephen Malinowski showed me software that has a very
advanced key guessing algorithm based on harmonic entropy...

> Midicode Synthesizer has a 64 note scale length limit and has
>dynamic retuning. Dynamic retuning is pathetic because YOU HAVE TO
>SET THE KEY NOTE BEFORE YOU PLAY IN THE NEW KEY. This is
>ridiculous; it is not automatic modulation.

Believe it or not some of us want this functionality. While
automatic modulation may be a great way to improve the consonance
of one's music, it doesn't really give you any more control over
the tuning... some of us are into microtonal tunings because we
_want_ more stuff to do while we play and compose...

>Justonic Tuning only has a 12 note scale length limit, but it does
>have automatic modulation within certain limitations.

Very serious limitations... a pre-doped chord lookup table.

> FINDING THE IDEAL SOFTWARE IS PARAMOUNT TO ME AND SHOULD BE
>PARAMOUNT TO ALL OF YOU. I cannot see why finding software which
>truly has infinite possibilities is not of vast importance to you.

It is of vast importance to many of us. But you and I, for example,
disagree on what the ideal is.

>Modulation is of prime concern when it comes to pure ratio scale
>systems. You should know this. Please contact me at
>PageWizard17@a... if you have any truly useful information
>regarding this.

I cc'd you, if you're at aol.com (remember that yahoo truncates
e-mail addresses).

I hope you will find this message useful, and please remember, you
can catch more flies with honey...

-Carl

🔗jpehrson@rcn.com

--- In tuning@y..., "PageWizard, Magician of the Caverns"

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<PageWizard17@a...> wrote:
>
> I have seen many messages talking about 17-limit guitars or
> synthesizers. My questions is what instrumentation do you use to
> accomplish this? As far as I have found out, there are no
> synthesizer companies which currently produce any keyboards capable
> of Just Intonation ratios. With guitars, there are only MIDI
> controller varieties which would have to connect to a synth in
order
> to work. What software are you and others using to achieve these
> microtonal capabilities? That is what I am wondering. I am
> searching for specific software which must be created if it has not
> been created already. So far, most of you have been basically
> ignoring all of my messages and ramble on about all of this
technical jargon. What good are symbols written on paper if you are
unable to hear what you are describing?

Hi PageWizard... (are you a relative of PageMaker??)

If you have an IBM, several of us use the software called SCALA...

It can tune most tunable synths, and the creator Manuel op de Coul
(cool guy) is right on this very list!

http://www.xs4all.nl/~huygensf/scala/

____________ __________ _________
Joseph Pehrson

Microtonal guitar/synth questions...

🔗PageWizard, Magician of the Caverns <PageWizard17@aol.com>

🔗shreeswifty <ppagano@bellsouth.net>

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@lumma.org>

🔗jpehrson@rcn.com

🔗Alison Monteith <alison.monteith3@which.net>