Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning Help!

--- In tuning@y..., BobWendell@t... wrote:
> Help, John Starret and all others! I'm not being recognized as a
> member half the time now when I try to log on to this group! I just
> lost a long reply to you that Yahoo blew away because it didn't
> recognize me even after I had logged on!
>
> Sad Bob

Bob,

Rather oddly, immediately after reading your post (above) about your
experiencing intermittent problems with the Yahoo groups server
recognizing you, (and/or) continuing to recognize you as a member of
a group(s),...it immediately happened to me, as well. I had to then
log back in two times in a row to to be recognized - all after I was
allready logged in.

Once is intermittent, twice is suspicious, and (if one more person
reports a similar experience with the Yahoo server on or around
today's time)I would say "three times is the charm", and we could
reliably suspect that it is Yahoo, and not our own systems, to blame.

Cheers, J Gill

🔗Jon Szanto <JSZANTO@ADNC.COM>

🔗John Starrett <jstarret@carbon.cudenver.edu>

🔗jpehrson@rcn.com

🔗Katie English <lightbox42@hotmail.com>

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org>

>Hi there everyone,
>I am currently researching towards an essay on the future of
>the non electronic keyboard and with the recent developments
>of composers such as Geoff Smith, I was wondering if anyone
>can help me find some info on developments in acoustic keyboard
>tunings etc. Any web site addresses etc would be of great help.
>Thanks in advance, Katie English.

Hi Katie!

Can you tell us a little more about the kind of thing you're
interested in? I'm not familiar with Geoff Smith, and googling
only returned some vague references to dulcimers.

I'm a keyboardist, and I'm interested in both electronic and
acoustic "generalized" keyboards after Janko, Bosanquet, Fokker,
Wilson, et al. Here are some links...

Electronic 12-tone (the 'duplicate' keys are physically joined)
generalized keyboard from Japan. Appears to be the greatest
commercial success in generalized keyboards so far...

http://www.chromatic-keyboard.com/

John Allen has a nice site, and has interest in acoustic
instruments...

http://www.bikexprt.com/music/

One of Wilson's designs has been realized in electronic form
by Starr Labs in San Diego...

http://catalog.com/starrlab/

Paul Vandervoort is getting ready to bring an electronic Janko
keyboard to market. He's also built very impressive Janko piano
converter keyboards (one of which, I have), and he owns one of
the original Decker Bros. Janko uprights (the only other one I
know of belongs to the Smithsonian)...

http://www.daskin.com/

The Monolith is a prototype electronic generalized keyboard,
(note that when I sent for the recordings mentioned on this
site, my mail was returned)...

http://www.electronic-mall.com/heavenbound/

The Groven piano uses a Halberstadt keyboard, some computer
trickery, and three Yamaha Disklavier uprights to render
music in near-just intonation...

http://www.wmich.edu/~mus-theo/groven/

Anyway, most approaches of late have been electronic, because it
is so much less expensive. However, I know a few people who have
built, or are building, microtonal acoustic keyboard instruments.
You can contact me off-list for contact info.

-Carl

🔗gdsecor <gdsecor@yahoo.com>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Katie English" <lightbox42@h...>
wrote:
> Hi there everyone,
> I am currently researching towards an essay on the future of the
non
> electronic keyboard and with the recent developments of composers
such as
> Geoff Smith, I was wondering if anyone can help me find some info
on
> developments in acoustic keyboard tunings etc. Any web site
addresses etc
> would be of great help. Thanks in advance, Katie English.

Katie,

There is considerable interest here in *both* alternative keyboards
*and* tunings, so you've come to the right place.

In the 1970s I participated in the employment of Bosanquet's
generalized keyboard geometry to the Motorola Scalatron (an
electronic instrument with programmable tuning). This is what the
keyboard looked like (the keys are labeled for the 31-tone equal
temperament):

/tuning-
math/files/secor/kbds/KbScal31.gif

An important characteristic of this keyboard geometry is its ability
to accommodate multiple tunings, with homogeneous fingering patterns
within each tuning.

Some years ago I tackled the problem of determining what sort of
alternative tuning might be most valuable on an acoustic keyboard
instrument (such as the accordion) on which it is not practical to
have more than a single tuning. You may read about what I arrived at
in this message:

/tuning/topicId_38076.html#38287

A portion of the 19+3 temperament that I describe is very similar to
the 2/7-comma meantone temperament that has been a topic of
discussion for the past couple of weeks. My 19+3 temperament has the
advantage of being a "well-temperament" of 19 tones, with a closed
circle of 19 fifths. With three extra tones included, it will do
even more, making it a triple-purpose tuning.

New tunings often require new keyboard designs. Here are diagrams of
how I recently adapted the Bosanquet keyboard geometry for treble and
bass accordion keyboards for this tuning (these references are also
given in the above message):

/tuning-
math/files/secor/kbds/KbAc19p3.gif
/tuning-
math/files/secor/kbds/AcLH19p3.gif
/tuning-
math/files/secor/kbds/BassComp.gif

Except for the Motorola Scalatron application, none of these
keyboards have gotten past the design stage.

Perhaps this is a bit more elaborate than what you had in mind, but
it does serve as an example of a comprehensive solution to the
problem of designing an acoustic keyboard instrument having an
alternative tuning, yet which is both practical and portable. I hope
that this will be of some help to you.

--George Secor

🔗Pete McRae <ambassadorbob@yahoo.com>

Hello, Katie and Carl!
Of great interest to me were the [two?] nineteen-tone clavichords built by Scott Hackleman after Erv Wilson's Bosanquet mappings. They were something I'm still startled to observe have failed to capture the imaginations of 'Early Music' specialists...What _wouldn't_ I give to have such a thing to practice on?!
I'm sorry I can't offer links, but you can probably find out more at,
http://www.anaphoria.com
off-list, even.
Cheers,
Pete
Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org> wrote:>Hi there everyone,
>I am currently researching towards an essay on the future of
>the non electronic keyboard and with the recent developments
>of composers such as Geoff Smith, I was wondering if anyone
>can help me find some info on developments in acoustic keyboard
>tunings etc. Any web site addresses etc would be of great help.
>Thanks in advance, Katie English.

Hi Katie!

Can you tell us a little more about the kind of thing you're
interested in? I'm not familiar with Geoff Smith, and googling
only returned some vague references to dulcimers.

I'm a keyboardist, and I'm interested in both electronic and
acoustic "generalized" keyboards after Janko, Bosanquet, Fokker,
Wilson, et al. Here are some links...

Electronic 12-tone (the 'duplicate' keys are physically joined)
generalized keyboard from Japan. Appears to be the greatest
commercial success in generalized keyboards so far...

http://www.chromatic-keyboard.com/

John Allen has a nice site, and has interest in acoustic
instruments...

http://www.bikexprt.com/music/

One of Wilson's designs has been realized in electronic form
by Starr Labs in San Diego...

http://catalog.com/starrlab/

http://www.daskin.com/

The Monolith is a prototype electronic generalized keyboard,
(note that when I sent for the recordings mentioned on this
site, my mail was returned)...

http://www.electronic-mall.com/heavenbound/

The Groven piano uses a Halberstadt keyboard, some computer
trickery, and three Yamaha Disklavier uprights to render
music in near-just intonation...

http://www.wmich.edu/~mus-theo/groven/

-Carl

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🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

I tried to upgrade to scala 2.34e and now NO version of scala and GTK+
will work :-(

I know others ran into this problem.... now scala acts as if GTK is
not installed at all.

it says it can't enter zlib1.dll!deflateSetHeader

C:\Users\Chris>path
PATH=%CommonProgramFiles%\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live;C:\Windows\system32;C:\W
indows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\hp\bin\Python;c:\Program Files (x86)\ATI Tech
nologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static;C:\Csound\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\I
ntuit\QBPOSSDKRuntime;C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\ProgramData
\East West\playgui;C:\Program Files (x86)\QuickTime\QTSystem\;C:\Program Files (
x86)\GTK2-Runtime\bin

C:\Users\Chris>

🔗clamengh <clamengh@...>

Hi Chris... I wasn't going to upgrade...
According to Scala download page, you could try to update GTK first :

"If you get an error message about a missing entry point of libglib-2.0-0.dll, or other error messages about dlls, your Gtk+ version is probably too old, or there is another Gtk+ version installed in another location or the PATH (environment variable) does not contain the GTK2-Runtime\bin location. In case it does, try moving the GTK2-Runtime\bin location more to the left in the PATH variable (Go to Control Panel, System, Advanced, Environment Variables). Also look for Gtk things in other locations on the computer, especially the system area \windows\system32 where they don't belong."

http://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/downloads.html

Hope this helps.

Otherwise, try to restore your system to its state before you tried to install the new version of Scala.
Bests...
Claudi

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> I tried to upgrade to scala 2.34e and now NO version of scala and GTK+
> will work :-(
>
> I know others ran into this problem.... now scala acts as if GTK is
> not installed at all.
>
> it says it can't enter zlib1.dll!deflateSetHeader
>
> Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6002]
> Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
>
> C:\Users\Chris>path
> PATH=%CommonProgramFiles%\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live;C:\Windows\system32;C:\W
> indows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\hp\bin\Python;c:\Program Files (x86)\ATI Tech
> nologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static;C:\Csound\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\I
> ntuit\QBPOSSDKRuntime;C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\ProgramData
> \East West\playgui;C:\Program Files (x86)\QuickTime\QTSystem\;C:\Program Files (
> x86)\GTK2-Runtime\bin
>
> C:\Users\Chris>
>

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

I did update GTK and also uninstalled and tried to install the older
versions which were working before I tried the upgrade to no avail.

On Thursday, March 14, 2013, clamengh wrote:

> **
>
>
>
>
> Hi Chris... I wasn't going to upgrade...
> According to Scala download page, you could try to update GTK first :
>
> "If you get an error message about a missing entry point of
> libglib-2.0-0.dll, or other error messages about dlls, your Gtk+ version is
> probably too old, or there is another Gtk+ version installed in another
> location or the PATH (environment variable) does not contain the
> GTK2-Runtime\bin location. In case it does, try moving the GTK2-Runtime\bin
> location more to the left in the PATH variable (Go to Control Panel,
> System, Advanced, Environment Variables). Also look for Gtk things in other
> locations on the computer, especially the system area \windows\system32
> where they don't belong."
>
> http://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/downloads.html
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Otherwise, try to restore your system to its state before you tried to
> install the new version of Scala.
> Bests...
> Claudi
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'tuning%40yahoogroups.com');>, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> >
> > I tried to upgrade to scala 2.34e and now NO version of scala and GTK+
> > will work :-(
> >
> > I know others ran into this problem.... now scala acts as if GTK is
> > not installed at all.
> >
> > it says it can't enter zlib1.dll!deflateSetHeader
> >
> > Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6002]
> > Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
> >
> > C:\Users\Chris>path
> > PATH=%CommonProgramFiles%\Microsoft Shared\Windows
> Live;C:\Windows\system32;C:\W
> > indows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\hp\bin\Python;c:\Program Files
> (x86)\ATI Tech
> > nologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static;C:\Csound\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\Common
> Files\I
> >
> ntuit\QBPOSSDKRuntime;C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\ProgramData
> > \East West\playgui;C:\Program Files (x86)\QuickTime\QTSystem\;C:\Program
> Files (
> > x86)\GTK2-Runtime\bin
> >
> > C:\Users\Chris>
> >
>
>
>

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

I am ecstatic to say I fixed my scala problem. Here is what I did...

1. I installed the latest GTK+ runtime - but since I have Vista 64 I
purposefully installed it into c:\Program Files\ and NOT into the (x86)
folder
(the reason for this is because this mimicked a working install on a 32-bit
XP machine.)
2. Installed the latest scala
3 As suggested in the scala readme I put the GTK+ path in the front of my
path statement.
4. What I think may be key is that in the old GTK+ library path there still
was a few nested folders with this file still in the nl/LC_MESSAGES folder
"scala.mo"
5. I moved scala.mo into the .../nl/LC_MESSAGES/ folder

At that point scala would boot! I'm assuming its fully functional. I
intend to find out immediately !! :-)

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@gmail.com>wrote:

> I did update GTK and also uninstalled and tried to install the older
> versions which were working before I tried the upgrade to no avail.
>
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2013, clamengh wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Chris... I wasn't going to upgrade...
>> According to Scala download page, you could try to update GTK first :
>>
>> "If you get an error message about a missing entry point of
>> libglib-2.0-0.dll, or other error messages about dlls, your Gtk+ version is
>> probably too old, or there is another Gtk+ version installed in another
>> location or the PATH (environment variable) does not contain the
>> GTK2-Runtime\bin location. In case it does, try moving the GTK2-Runtime\bin
>> location more to the left in the PATH variable (Go to Control Panel,
>> System, Advanced, Environment Variables). Also look for Gtk things in other
>> locations on the computer, especially the system area \windows\system32
>> where they don't belong."
>>
>> http://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/downloads.html
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Otherwise, try to restore your system to its state before you tried to
>> install the new version of Scala.
>> Bests...
>> Claudi
>>
>> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > I tried to upgrade to scala 2.34e and now NO version of scala and GTK+
>> > will work :-(
>> >
>> > I know others ran into this problem.... now scala acts as if GTK is
>> > not installed at all.
>> >
>> > it says it can't enter zlib1.dll!deflateSetHeader
>> >
>> > Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6002]
>> > Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
>> >
>> > C:\Users\Chris>path
>> > PATH=%CommonProgramFiles%\Microsoft Shared\Windows
>> Live;C:\Windows\system32;C:\W
>> > indows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\hp\bin\Python;c:\Program Files
>> (x86)\ATI Tech
>> > nologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static;C:\Csound\bin;C:\Program Files
>> (x86)\Common Files\I
>> >
>> ntuit\QBPOSSDKRuntime;C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\ProgramData
>> > \East West\playgui;C:\Program Files
>> (x86)\QuickTime\QTSystem\;C:\Program Files (
>> > x86)\GTK2-Runtime\bin
>> >
>> > C:\Users\Chris>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>

🔗clamengh <clamengh@...>

Happy to hear this from you, Chris.
Also, I am saving your message and keeping it carefully. One never knows... ;) (I have a 32 bit computer, however...)
I'll probably try to update Scala after the deadline of untwelve competition, March 25th.
I admit I have never understood the matter of the PATH variable, unless it is analogous to the homonimous DOS variable.
Moreover, I'll possibly start working on a Linux machine... it really seems a different world. I'll see what concretely means installing Scala there.
Bests,
Claudi

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> I am ecstatic to say I fixed my scala problem. Here is what I did...
>
> 1. I installed the latest GTK+ runtime - but since I have Vista 64 I
> purposefully installed it into c:\Program Files\ and NOT into the (x86)
> folder
> (the reason for this is because this mimicked a working install on a 32-bit
> XP machine.)
> 2. Installed the latest scala
> 3 As suggested in the scala readme I put the GTK+ path in the front of my
> path statement.
> 4. What I think may be key is that in the old GTK+ library path there still
> was a few nested folders with this file still in the nl/LC_MESSAGES folder
> "scala.mo"
> 5. I moved scala.mo into the .../nl/LC_MESSAGES/ folder
>
> At that point scala would boot! I'm assuming its fully functional. I
> intend to find out immediately !! :-)
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>wrote:
>
> > I did update GTK and also uninstalled and tried to install the older
> > versions which were working before I tried the upgrade to no avail.
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, March 14, 2013, clamengh wrote:
> >
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Chris... I wasn't going to upgrade...
> >> According to Scala download page, you could try to update GTK first :
> >>
> >> "If you get an error message about a missing entry point of
> >> libglib-2.0-0.dll, or other error messages about dlls, your Gtk+ version is
> >> probably too old, or there is another Gtk+ version installed in another
> >> location or the PATH (environment variable) does not contain the
> >> GTK2-Runtime\bin location. In case it does, try moving the GTK2-Runtime\bin
> >> location more to the left in the PATH variable (Go to Control Panel,
> >> System, Advanced, Environment Variables). Also look for Gtk things in other
> >> locations on the computer, especially the system area \windows\system32
> >> where they don't belong."
> >>
> >> http://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/downloads.html
> >>
> >> Hope this helps.
> >>
> >> Otherwise, try to restore your system to its state before you tried to
> >> install the new version of Scala.
> >> Bests...
> >> Claudi
> >>
> >> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I tried to upgrade to scala 2.34e and now NO version of scala and GTK+
> >> > will work :-(
> >> >
> >> > I know others ran into this problem.... now scala acts as if GTK is
> >> > not installed at all.
> >> >
> >> > it says it can't enter zlib1.dll!deflateSetHeader
> >> >
> >> > Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6002]
> >> > Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
> >> >
> >> > C:\Users\Chris>path
> >> > PATH=%CommonProgramFiles%\Microsoft Shared\Windows
> >> Live;C:\Windows\system32;C:\W
> >> > indows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\hp\bin\Python;c:\Program Files
> >> (x86)\ATI Tech
> >> > nologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static;C:\Csound\bin;C:\Program Files
> >> (x86)\Common Files\I
> >> >
> >> ntuit\QBPOSSDKRuntime;C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\ProgramData
> >> > \East West\playgui;C:\Program Files
> >> (x86)\QuickTime\QTSystem\;C:\Program Files (
> >> > x86)\GTK2-Runtime\bin
> >> >
> >> > C:\Users\Chris>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Help!

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🔗J Gill <JGill99@imajis.com>

🔗Jon Szanto <JSZANTO@ADNC.COM>

🔗John Starrett <jstarret@carbon.cudenver.edu>

🔗jpehrson@rcn.com

🔗Katie English <lightbox42@hotmail.com>

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org>

🔗gdsecor <gdsecor@yahoo.com>

🔗Pete McRae <ambassadorbob@yahoo.com>

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

🔗clamengh <clamengh@...>

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

🔗clamengh <clamengh@...>