don't shoot the messenger".

Paul!
well you know the Greeks would do such things .Hmmm and they like to play ratios:)

Paul Erlich wrote:

>
> Apparently, this list is far too volatile to accomodate the subtlety of "don't shoot the messenger".
>

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

KG,

OK, it's me, Jon, here. Take it easy, I want to make sure that Paul
understands I'm glad he brought the topic in from Julie and I don't
want him, or anyone else, to feel the heat for someone else's opinion.

We get so tied up in words on this list, I tellya...

OK everybody, stay calm,
Jon

--- In tuning@y..., JSZANTO@A... wrote:

/tuning/topicId_24844.html#24848

> KG,
>
> OK, it's me, Jon, here. Take it easy, I want to make sure that Paul
> understands I'm glad he brought the topic in from Julie and I don't
> want him, or anyone else, to feel the heat for someone else's
opinion.
>
> We get so tied up in words on this list, I tellya...
>
> OK everybody, stay calm,
> Jon

Well... just so everybody is upset EQUALLY...since this is the
equality of an equal temperament (72-tET) I just want to put in my
dreaded 2 cents worth (or was it ONE cent) to say that I think it's
just terrific that 72-tET can do BOTH Just AND Atonal-type music...
and some people like/use it for either/both...!!

_________ _______ _____
Joseph Pehrson

I am calm and smiling as i have been this whole time. did you miss my :) from time to time?

JSZANTO@ADNC.COM wrote:

> KG,
>
> OK, it's me, Jon, here. Take it easy, I want to make sure that Paul
> understands I'm glad he brought the topic in from Julie and I don't
> want him, or anyone else, to feel the heat for someone else's opinion.
>
> We get so tied up in words on this list, I tellya...
>
> OK everybody, stay calm,
> Jon
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Joe,

--- In tuning@y..., jpehrson@r... wrote:
> it's just terrific that 72-tET can do BOTH Just AND Atonal-type
> music... and some people like/use it for either/both...!!

Maybe it can "do" Atonal, but it can only _approximate_ Just. Paul
likes scientific accuracy, and while some people can't hear the
potential +/- 3 cent error (except Johnny, who can hear < 1 cent
errors), the error is there. Can't be ignored, even if it can't be
heard. Although Robert Walker is developing a test for smallest
amount of interval ignorance, even if you can't hear what you are
ignoring...

[The previous paragraph is brought to you by the Foundation for
Restoring Humor and Lightness Before the Workweek Starts, Inc.]

Cheers,
Jon

J!
If i used an ET this would be the first one i would work with

jpehrson@rcn.com wrote:

> Well... just so everybody is upset EQUALLY...since this is the
> equality of an equal temperament (72-tET) I just want to put in my
> dreaded 2 cents worth (or was it ONE cent) to say that I think it's
> just terrific that 72-tET can do BOTH Just AND Atonal-type music...
> and some people like/use it for either/both...!!

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

--- In tuning@y..., jpehrson@r... wrote:
>
> Well... just so everybody is upset EQUALLY...since this is the
> equality of an equal temperament (72-tET) I just want to put in my
> dreaded 2 cents worth (or was it ONE cent) to say that I think it's
> just terrific that 72-tET can do BOTH Just AND Atonal-type music...
> and some people like/use it for either/both...!!

In Boston alone, you have Ezra Sims and the Dinosaur Annex doing the former and you have
Joe Maneri and the Boston Microtonal Society doing the latter.

By the way, atonal and Just are not mutually exclusive. Look at Erv Wilson's Hexany, Eikosany,
and Hebdomekontany. These are JI scales with an atonal conception. Also, JI composer Ben
Johnston used serial techniques in some of his pieces. In fact, I'd venture a guess that some of
the music you're working on in the blackjack scale uses the near-just sonorities in a context that
isn't tonal by any means . . . correct? Meanwhile, a lot of tonal music is very far from JI. I love
Blackwood's 17-tET piece, in a tuning which has much worse errors from JI than 12-tET does.
Yet it sure is tonal! And I've discussed how strict JI has "comma problems" for most
common-practice tonal music . . . so, to sum up, by no means can we equate "tonal" with "just".

--- In tuning@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_24844.html#24862

> J!
> If i used an ET this would be the first one i would work with
>

Wow... coming from *you* you don't know what you've done, Kraig!

I just tattooed a big 72 right on my chest...!

________ ________ _______
Joseph Pehrson

--- In tuning@y..., "Paul Erlich" <paul@s...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_24844.html#24863
>
> In Boston alone, you have Ezra Sims and the Dinosaur Annex doing
the former and you have Joe Maneri and the Boston Microtonal Society
doing the latter.
>

Absolutely! 72 for me and you!

> By the way, atonal and Just are not mutually exclusive. Look at Erv
Wilson's Hexany, Eikosany, and Hebdomekontany. These are JI scales
with an atonal conception.

Yes... they do appear to have that function... That's one thing that
rather appeals to me about these scales...

Also, JI composer Ben Johnston used serial techniques in some of his
pieces. In fact, I'd venture a guess that some of the music you're
working on in the blackjack scale uses the near-just sonorities in a
context that isn't tonal by any means . . . correct?

Yes, of course! Better get back to it... this was already too much
of a break....

________ _____ _______
Joseph Pehrson