Re: [tuning] Hey Joe

Neil!
I have been playing with Hey Joe in my head be cause if you reverse the words you get
something close to Oh Jay=O.J.
Where you goin with that knife in your hand
............
you know i am goin to kill that lady
you know i catch her messin around with another man
I going down in my bronco to mexico land..................
Johnny Cocran gonna make sure there ain't no hangin rope put around me

sorry couldn't resist but the coincidence i find interesting.

Always hated the words to the original and never really understood why it was so popular in the
mid 60's with version after version.

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

--- In tuning@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
> Neil!
> I have been playing with Hey Joe in my head be cause if you
reverse the words you get
> something close to Oh Jay=O.J.
> Where you goin with that knife in your hand
> ............
> you know i am goin to kill that lady
> you know i catch her messin around with another man
> I going down in my bronco to mexico land..................
> Johnny Cocran gonna make sure there ain't no hangin rope put around
me
>
> sorry couldn't resist but the coincidence i find interesting.
>
> Always hated the words to the original and never really understood
why it was so popular in the
> mid 60's with version after version.
>
> -- Kraig Grady

Neil!

As you can see, Kraig is quite serious about his Xenharmonity...

Last time, I thought he was carrying a knife around, but I later
discovered it was only a razor...

___________ _______ _____
Joseph Pehrson

> North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
> http://www.anaphoria.com
>
> The Wandering Medicine Show
> Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

Bruce writes:
<< Years ago in the 70's I worked for Austin Organ Company and then a few
years with a builder who restored old tracker organs in New England--I got very
involved in tuning and did extensive research in the proliferation of tuning
systems around the time of Bach and Silbermann(famous organ builder during
Bach's time)--Bach couldn't have done what he did without 12TET. <<

Umm, wait a second. I will completely disagree with that last sentence, but
first I must ask, are you considering any non-restrictive temperament to be
"equal"?? I think Bach did very well with a Werckmeister (or Kellner),
temperament and I don't consider either of those to be "equal".
Will wait for some clarification.......

Ed Foote RPT
http://www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/index.html
www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/well_tempered_piano.html
<A HREF="http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/399/six_degrees_of_tonality.html">
MP3.com: Six Degrees of Tonality</A>

If I write a piece for an et which isn't on your list of equal
temperaments, does that mean you have to add it?:)

hi Gene,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:

> If I write a piece for an et which isn't on your list of
> equal temperaments, does that mean you have to add it?:)

sure! my list is intended to represent anyone who has
used or advocated a temperament ... however, please note
the catch-all paragraph at the bottom of the list, which
acknowledges that Brian McLaren, Ivor Darreg, Dan Stearns,
and Marc Jones have composed pieces in tunings i do not
mention.

i assume your subject-line is directed at me, since i
don't know of any other Joes who have a list of equal-temperaments
... but it does make things easier for me if everyone
refers to me as "monz".

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:

> > If I write a piece for an et which isn't on your list of
> > equal temperaments, does that mean you have to add it?:)
>
>
> sure! my list is intended to represent anyone who has
> used or advocated a temperament ... however, please note
> the catch-all paragraph at the bottom of the list, which
> acknowledges that Brian McLaren, Ivor Darreg, Dan Stearns,
> and Marc Jones have composed pieces in tunings i do not
> mention.

So have I.

> i assume your subject-line is directed at me, since i
> don't know of any other Joes who have a list of equal-temperaments
> ... but it does make things easier for me if everyone
> refers to me as "monz".

I'll keep that in mind--it keeps you from getting confused with Dimaggio.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...>
wrote:
>
> > > If I write a piece for an et which isn't on your list of
> > > equal temperaments, does that mean you have to add it?:)
> >
> >
> > sure! my list is intended to represent anyone who has
> > used or advocated a temperament ... however, please note
> > the catch-all paragraph at the bottom of the list, which
> > acknowledges that Brian McLaren, Ivor Darreg, Dan Stearns,
> > and Marc Jones have composed pieces in tunings i do not
> > mention.
>
> So have I.

well, ok then. i've added you to the catch-all statement.

http://tonalsoft.com/enc/eqtemp.htm

> > i assume your subject-line is directed at me, since i
> > don't know of any other Joes who have a list of
> > equal-temperaments ... but it does make things easier
> > for me if everyone refers to me as "monz".
>
> I'll keep that in mind--it keeps you from getting confused
> with Dimaggio.

:)

the Joe i'm more concerned about being confused with
around here is Pehrson ... especially since he is usually
a rather active poster.

the other thing is that at those (rare) times when i'm
not very active on the tuning list -- as lately, for example
-- i look for messages directed at me by searching for "monz".

-monz

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:

> well, ok then. i've added you to the catch-all statement.
>
> http://tonalsoft.com/enc/eqtemp.htm

That's probably easier than adding 175-et and 6079-et. Probably the
most surprising omission is 99-et, but if it was up to me I'd add a
bunch more.

> the Joe i'm more concerned about being confused with
> around here is Pehrson ... especially since he is usually
> a rather active poster.

We had a discussion a while back on this list where it was decided
that you'd be Joe and he'd be Joseph, but Monz certainly works better
at disambiguation.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...>
wrote:
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...>
> wrote:
> >
> > > > If I write a piece for an et which isn't on your list of
> > > > equal temperaments, does that mean you have to add it?:)
> > >
> > >
> > > sure! my list is intended to represent anyone who has
> > > used or advocated a temperament ...

Hi Monz!

In that case, it would be a *crime* not to include Aaron Johnson
under 19-equal, since his "The Juggler" was perhaps the best-received
piece of music here last year.

> well, ok then. i've added you to the catch-all statement.
>
> http://tonalsoft.com/enc/eqtemp.htm

Good news!

-P

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
>
> > well, ok then. i've added you to the catch-all statement.
> >
> > http://tonalsoft.com/enc/eqtemp.htm
>
> That's probably easier than adding 175-et and 6079-et. Probably the
> most surprising omission is 99-et, but if it was up to me I'd add a
> bunch more.

actually, Gene, i'd be happy to add an entry for each ET
you've used or advocated, if you'd be kind enough to provide
a dated list.

i like to make things specific ... and just simply never
took a closer look at Darreg, nor asked McLaren or Stearns
to give a list.

i recall Marc Jones actually sending me a list, and
i'm sure it's still hiding somewhere on my hard-drive
... if i can find the time to add all those ETs to my
page. in fact, there might already be a page somewhere
at the Sonic Arts site which gives Marc's list.

> > the Joe i'm more concerned about being confused with
> > around here is Pehrson ... especially since he is usually
> > a rather active poster.
>
> We had a discussion a while back on this list where
> it was decided that you'd be Joe and he'd be Joseph,
> but Monz certainly works better at disambiguation.

hmm ... i missed that discussion.

i've hung out a bit with Joseph Pehrson and have always
called him "Joe" ... and i did notice a long time ago
that paul always calls him "Joseph".

i like "monz".

... and i enjoyed being part of the Hendrix allusion in
the subject heading ...

:)

-monz

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_22905.html#52918

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...>
wrote:
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> >
> > > well, ok then. i've added you to the catch-all statement.
> > >
> > > http://tonalsoft.com/enc/eqtemp.htm
> >
> > That's probably easier than adding 175-et and 6079-et. Probably
the
> > most surprising omission is 99-et, but if it was up to me I'd add
a
> > bunch more.
>
>
> actually, Gene, i'd be happy to add an entry for each ET
> you've used or advocated, if you'd be kind enough to provide
> a dated list.
>
> i like to make things specific ... and just simply never
> took a closer look at Darreg, nor asked McLaren or Stearns
> to give a list.
>
> i recall Marc Jones actually sending me a list, and
> i'm sure it's still hiding somewhere on my hard-drive
> ... if i can find the time to add all those ETs to my
> page. in fact, there might already be a page somewhere
> at the Sonic Arts site which gives Marc's list.
>
>
>
> > > the Joe i'm more concerned about being confused with
> > > around here is Pehrson ... especially since he is usually
> > > a rather active poster.
> >
> > We had a discussion a while back on this list where
> > it was decided that you'd be Joe and he'd be Joseph,
> > but Monz certainly works better at disambiguation.
>
>
> hmm ... i missed that discussion.
>
> i've hung out a bit with Joseph Pehrson and have always
> called him "Joe" ... and i did notice a long time ago
> that paul always calls him "Joseph".
>
> i like "monz".
>

***I really have no preference and even call myself both Joseph and
Joe... So, "Monz" is a better distinguisher in this case...

JP

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:

> actually, Gene, i'd be happy to add an entry for each ET
> you've used or advocated, if you'd be kind enough to provide
> a dated list.

Here are some comments; if it says "1969" this refers to the studies I
made of equal temperaments in that year (or maybe 1968, not totally sure.)

27: 1969; used by me in 2002
29: On another page you discuss Margo Schulter using this, not by mistake
46: 1969; used by me in 2002
50: Aside from its considerable meantone talents, a 19-limit system
53: Lots of people have used this as a 5-limit system, but I used it
for orwell (2002.)
65: Barbour mentions it for 5-limit
84: Barbour mentions it for 5-limit, and the 19/84 generator gives
orwell its name
99: This is an important 7-limit et and should be on your list. I
can't believe I was the first to notice it; but it was one of many
from ~1969
111: Another from ~1969; I noticed it is pretty strong for 13-21 limits
118: A very strong 5-limit system, but also worthy of note as an
11-limit system
130: 1969. Fairly good in 7, 13, 15 limits; twice 65
140: 1969. Fair 7-limit system. In "The Theory of the Riemann Zeta
Function" by E. C. Titmarsh (published in 1951) he mentions a high
value of the zeta function which corresponds to the 140-et, though of
course without any knowledge of the connection
171: Used by me in 2002
175: Used twice by me in 2002 as a tuning for miracle
270: Used by me in 2003 in music I didn't upload
311: This amazing et I noticed in 1969 and it really has to go on your
list
342: 342=2*171 and excellent for 11-limit, another 1969
441: Another from 1969, used by me in 2004. Strong 7-limit system, and
a perfect square
494: Another 1969, good in 11, 13, 15

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
>
> > actually, Gene, i'd be happy to add an entry for each ET
> > you've used or advocated, if you'd be kind enough to provide
> > a dated list.

I forgot 41; I used that in 2002 also. In 2003 there's 6079-equal,
which really was just a matter of making the 13-limit easier to deal
with; I didn't use its tempering properties, such as they are.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:

> I forgot 41;

I also forgot 36, from 2001, and my 53/orwell is 2001 also, not 2002.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
>
> /tuning/topicId_22905.html#52918
>
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...>
> wrote:
> > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > well, ok then. i've added you to the catch-all statement.
> > > >
> > > > http://tonalsoft.com/enc/eqtemp.htm
> > >
> > > That's probably easier than adding 175-et and 6079-et. Probably
> the
> > > most surprising omission is 99-et, but if it was up to me I'd
add
> a
> > > bunch more.
> >
> >
> > actually, Gene, i'd be happy to add an entry for each ET
> > you've used or advocated, if you'd be kind enough to provide
> > a dated list.
> >
> > i like to make things specific ... and just simply never
> > took a closer look at Darreg, nor asked McLaren or Stearns
> > to give a list.
> >
> > i recall Marc Jones actually sending me a list, and
> > i'm sure it's still hiding somewhere on my hard-drive
> > ... if i can find the time to add all those ETs to my
> > page. in fact, there might already be a page somewhere
> > at the Sonic Arts site which gives Marc's list.
> >
> >
> >
> > > > the Joe i'm more concerned about being confused with
> > > > around here is Pehrson ... especially since he is usually
> > > > a rather active poster.
> > >
> > > We had a discussion a while back on this list where
> > > it was decided that you'd be Joe and he'd be Joseph,
> > > but Monz certainly works better at disambiguation.
> >
> >
> > hmm ... i missed that discussion.
> >
> > i've hung out a bit with Joseph Pehrson and have always
> > called him "Joe" ... and i did notice a long time ago
> > that paul always calls him "Joseph".
> >
> > i like "monz".
> >
>
> ***I really have no preference and even call myself both Joseph and
> Joe... So, "Monz" is a better distinguisher in this case...
>
> JP

but "monz" all in lower case is fine as far as i'm concerned.
i really dislike formality, and to me capitalization implies that.
if you or others want to use the capital M, ok.

-monz

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_22905.html#52931

>
> but "monz" all in lower case is fine as far as i'm concerned.
> i really dislike formality, and to me capitalization implies that.
> if you or others want to use the capital M, ok.
>
>
> -monz

***hi monz!

i'm not sure that "formality" has much to do with it... i think the
current vogue for lowercase has more to do with the ease of text
messaging, on portable phones or whatever.... any more on
metatuning...

joe