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I was contemplating the line "All roads lead to n^0"
that I coined for my signature, and my thoughts turned
mystical...

I've been so interested in the millenia-old connections
posited between musical harmonic lattice diagrams and
cosmic geometry, that it suddenly struck me as highly
interesting that this phrase points to the nothingness
that lies at the center of so many cosmologies and religions.

Get it?... "lies at the center"?...

Hmmm...

----

PS - Just something to make y'all jealous...

I'm down at Starr Labs every day now,
working on MicroZones...

-monz
http://www.monz.org
"All roads lead to n^0"

--- In tuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:
>
> I was contemplating the line "All roads lead to n^0"
> that I coined for my signature, and my thoughts turned
> mystical...
>
> I've been so interested in the millenia-old connections
> posited between musical harmonic lattice diagrams and
> cosmic geometry, that it suddenly struck me as highly
> interesting that this phrase points to the nothingness
> that lies at the center of so many cosmologies and religions.

It might be a good idea to elaborate for those who aren't
familiar with my theories that the actual literal meaning
of the nothingness at the center of my phrase "All roads
lead to n^0" is the *absence of prime-factors*.

n^0 means that all of the prime-factors have an exponent
of zero, which produces the product of 1, which by definition
is *not* a prime number.

So all the rest of the lattice, in every dimension, is
populated with prime-factors raised to their various exponents,
but the very center only contains 1, the only non-prime
on the lattice.

This structure is amazingly similar to the latest models of
galaxies, which posit a black hole at the center with the
enormous mass needed to hold the galaxy together.

I've brought this up before, but it's stunning to me how
these musical lattice diagrams *do* reflect our beliefs
about the structure of the universe. And if Siemen Terpsra
and I are correct about the Sumerians knowing all this stuff,
it's one of the oldest ideas around.

-monz
http://www.monz.org
"All roads lead to n^0"

--- In tuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_22228.html#22230

> I've brought this up before, but it's stunning to me how
> these musical lattice diagrams *do* reflect our beliefs
> about the structure of the universe. And if Siemen Terpsra
> and I are correct about the Sumerians knowing all this stuff,
> it's one of the oldest ideas around.

Sorry, a typo... that's Siemen Terpstra.

-monz
http://www.monz.org
"All roads lead to n^0"

--- In tuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:

> So all the rest of the lattice, in every dimension, is
> populated with prime-factors raised to their various exponents,
> but the very center only contains 1, the only non-prime
> on the lattice.

How about 15? That's not a prime.

--- In tuning@y..., paul@s... wrote:

/tuning/topicId_22228.html#22263

> --- In tuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:
>
> > So all the rest of the lattice, in every dimension, is
> > populated with prime-factors raised to their various exponents,
> > but the very center only contains 1, the only non-prime
> > on the lattice.
>
> How about 15? That's not a prime.

OK - my bad. Not a good way to word the thought I was trying
to express. This is better:

"... but the very center only contains 1, the only point
on the lattice which does not contain any prime-factors."

I wanted to convey a connection between the role of n^0
on my (or any [Partchian] Monophonic) lattices, and the
singularities that exist in the cosmos.

-monz
http://www.monz.org
"All roads lead to n^0"

On Mon, 07 May 2001 05:06:32 -0000 "monz" <joemonz@yahoo.com> writes:
> --- In tuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I was contemplating the line "All roads lead to n^0"
> > that I coined for my signature, and my thoughts turned
> > mystical...
> This structure is amazingly similar to the latest models of
> galaxies, which posit a black hole at the center with the
> enormous mass needed to hold the galaxy together.

One of the things I find most fascinating about the "scale tree" (I just
downloaded the PDF file by this name from Kraig's Wilson Archives, but I
have been investigating these patterns for a couple of years now) is how
ratios within the lattice can describe the patterns seen in the rows of
trees in fruit orchards, or more profoundly, the patterns seen in x-ray
chrystalography or wave diffraction.

Another mystical formula that I like to stare at as though it were a
mandala is Euler's famous 0 = e^(ip) + 1.

Also, I've been meaning to ask whether anyone else here has read the
book, "Music, Mysticism, and Magic". I don't recall the editor's name,
but it's a very interesting anthology of primary sources from ancient
Greek, Persian, Kaballistic, Alchemical, Rennaisance, and more modern
texts, including Schoenberg (it's been a while since I read it),
concerned mostly with the "music of the spheres". It was in this book
that I found the story of Schumann's last days, as he descended into
madness (or ascended, depending on your point of view), hearing tones in
his mind that he couldn't convey through his music (it has long been
believed that a person would leave the physical plane if they directly
percieved the cosmic order). Anyway, there's a text attributed to
Plutarch called the "Legend of Ur" (or something to that effect) which
describes a conception of the afterlife in which there are different
levels corresponding to intersecting harmonic and subharmonic series,
which converge at the unison. Judging from the mysticism of the
Anaphoria Island website, I wouldn't be suprised if Kraig Cady has read
this book!

Happy navel gazing,
Kurt

Kurt!
Have not read this one but will attempt to hunt it down. thanks for the suggestion.
As tuning owes its origin to reflecting divine order as an attempt to (re)create something
that pleases the gods and goddesses, to know how others incorporated their knowledge of cosmology,
serves as a guide to how we can represent ours. With a tread head like nothing at the center, is
it not the eikosany that emerges from the mist?
BTW Erv has showed me the tree row thing

Kurt S Nelson wrote:

> Also, I've been meaning to ask whether anyone else here has read the
> book, "Music, Mysticism, and Magic".

> Judging from the mysticism of the
> Anaphoria Island website, I wouldn't be suprised if Kraig Grady has read
> this book!

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

--- In tuning@y..., Kurt S Nelson <kurtnelson2@j...> wrote:

> Also, I've been meaning to ask whether anyone else here has
> read the book, "Music, Mysticism, and Magic". I don't recall
> the editor's name, but it's a very interesting anthology of
> primary sources from ancient Greek, Persian, Kaballistic,
> Alchemical, Rennaisance, and more modern texts, including
> Schoenberg (it's been a while since I read it), concerned mostly
> with the "music of the spheres". <snip> ... there's a text
> attributed to Plutarch called the "Legend of Ur" (or something
> to that effect) which describes a conception of the afterlife
> in which there are different levels corresponding to
> intersecting harmonic and subharmonic series, which converge
> at the unison.

Haven't seen this one, Kurt... thanks.

In case you don't know about them, there's a great series of
books and articles by Ernest McClain tracing the musical
meanings that lie behind (and have long been unknown to
general scholarship) many ancient texts, culminating in
what McClain sees as Plato's effort to preserve this mystical
knowledge before it disappeared entirely, but preserved
in such a mumbo-jumbo way that it's like a code that has
to be deciphered.

I recommend:

McClain, Ernest. 1976.
_The Myth of Invariance_
Nicolas-Hays, Inc.; York Beach, Maine.
ISBN 0-89254-012-5
LOC# ML3800.M15

McClain, Ernest. 1978.
_The Pythagorean Plato_
Nicolas-Hays, Inc.; York Beach, Maine.
ISBN 0-89254-010-9

And there used to be an article by McClain on the web, but
I can't find it now. This paper is what spurred my interest
in Babylonian and eventually Sumerian musical and tuning stuff.

Well, I did find this webpage that looks interesting:
http://www.users.qwest.net/~rlohmeyer/insights.htm

(Haven't read it yet, but I'm sure someone here will have comments,
based on the glance I took of what Lohmeyer says about 7 and 12
as they pertain to music.)

-monz
http://www.monz.org
"All roads lead to n^0"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: monz [mailto:joemonz@yahoo.com]
> In case you don't know about them, there's a great series of
> books and articles by Ernest McClain tracing the musical
> meanings that lie behind (and have long been unknown to
> general scholarship) many ancient texts, culminating in
> what McClain sees as Plato's effort to preserve this mystical
> knowledge before it disappeared entirely, but preserved
> in such a mumbo-jumbo way that it's like a code that has
> to be deciphered.

McClain is an interesting case- I have his books and they look so
interesting with plenty of pretty diagrams etc. but when I try to read them
it doesn't seem like he's really saying anything. So I'd be interested if
others have found his books valuable, and maybe I'm just too dumb to
understand what he's talking about.

Dante

In the end he argues for ET or at least he says Plato does. I was never convinced he actually
listened to any on this for any extended period. Rosselini made a great biography on Socrates. By
the end you are glad they gave him hemlock. I can't think of Hemlock anymore without thinking
of..........

Jim Jones Kool-Aid
Hemlock Tea
The end of this world
Means nothin' to me
Jimmy Smack- Electric bagpipe player

Rosati wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: monz [mailto:joemonz@yahoo.com]
> > In case you don't know about them, there's a great series of
> > books and articles by Ernest McClain tracing the musical
> > meanings that lie behind (and have long been unknown to
> > general scholarship) many ancient texts, culminating in
> > what McClain sees as Plato's effort to preserve this mystical
> > knowledge before it disappeared entirely, but preserved
> > in such a mumbo-jumbo way that it's like a code that has
> > to be deciphered.
>
> McClain is an interesting case- I have his books and they look so
> interesting with plenty of pretty diagrams etc. but when I try to read them
> it doesn't seem like he's really saying anything. So I'd be interested if
> others have found his books valuable, and maybe I'm just too dumb to
> understand what he's talking about.
>
> Dante

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

I "mapped" an entire album using McClain.
I had great fun with the Basic underlying concepts
ET=democracy..each sacrificing for the "state" Republic
JI=true justice...each claiming their own "worth" Atlantis

Gotta love dem Canals

Pat Pagano, Director
South East Just Intonation Society
http://indians.australians.com/meherbaba/
http://www.screwmusicforever.com/SHREESWIFT/
----- Original Message -----
From: Kraig Grady
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: nothing at the center

In the end he argues for ET or at least he says Plato does. I was never convinced he actually listened to any on this for any extended period. Rosselini made a great biography on Socrates. By the end you are glad they gave him hemlock. I can't think of Hemlock anymore without thinking of..........
Jim Jones Kool-Aid
Hemlock Tea
The end of this world
Means nothin' to me
Jimmy Smack- Electric bagpipe player

Rosati wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: monz [mailto:joemonz@yahoo.com]
> In case you don't know about them, there's a great series of
> books and articles by Ernest McClain tracing the musical
> meanings that lie behind (and have long been unknown to
> general scholarship) many ancient texts, culminating in
> what McClain sees as Plato's effort to preserve this mystical
> knowledge before it disappeared entirely, but preserved
> in such a mumbo-jumbo way that it's like a code that has
> to be deciphered.
McClain is an interesting case- I have his books and they look so
interesting with plenty of pretty diagrams etc. but when I try to read them
it doesn't seem like he's really saying anything. So I'd be interested if
others have found his books valuable, and maybe I'm just too dumb to
understand what he's talking about.

Dante

--- In tuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_22228.html#22228

>
> I was contemplating the line "All roads lead to n^0"
> that I coined for my signature, and my thoughts turned
> mystical...
>
> I've been so interested in the millenia-old connections
> posited between musical harmonic lattice diagrams and
> cosmic geometry, that it suddenly struck me as highly
> interesting that this phrase points to the nothingness
> that lies at the center of so many cosmologies and religions.
>
> Get it?... "lies at the center"?...
>
> Hmmm...
>

It's the ultimate donut... or do-nothing...

________ ______ ______
Joseph Pehrson

Kurt S Nelson wrote:

> Another mystical formula that I like to stare at as though it were a
> mandala is Euler's famous 0 = e^(ip) + 1.

Could you elaborate about this and/or point to the source doc? Looks interesting.

> Also, I've been meaning to ask whether anyone else here has read the
> book, "Music, Mysticism, and Magic".

I haven't, but your description of it sounds a lot like "The Secret Power of Music" by David Tame. I would not recommend that book. It starts out promising but turns into an ill-supported tirade against Romanticism/Modernism, and ends up as a bizarre promotion of the mystery religions. Talk about
nothing at the center...

Um, does anyone else want a donut?

--
David J. Finnamore
Nashville, TN, USA
http://personal.bna.bellsouth.net/bna/d/f/dfin/index.html
--

Monz wrote:

> And there used to be an article by McClain on the web, but
> I can't find it now. This paper is what spurred my interest
> in Babylonian and eventually Sumerian musical and tuning stuff.

http://www.new-universe.com/pythagoras/mcclain.html

might be it. I'm pretty sure you sent me that link, Joe, a few months ago. Intriguing stuff.

FWIW, the ancient Hebrew idea involving "nothing at the center" is known in historical Christian doctrine as Creation "ex nihilo": out of nothing, the idea that the cosmos was spoken into being by the sheer power of the Word of God. I was remarking to Kris Peck off list the other day that I feel that I
get a glimpse of Creation ex nihilo when I run my fingers through a new tuning and let it guide me to into some of its useful patterns, which come alive in the form of various kinds of music that I'm hearing for the first time, even as I play them. What a thrill!

--
David J. Finnamore
Nashville, TN, USA
http://personal.bna.bellsouth.net/bna/d/f/dfin/index.html
--

--- In tuning@y..., "David J. Finnamore" <daeron@b...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_22228.html#22311

> Monz wrote:
>
> > And there used to be an article by McClain on the web, but
> > I can't find it now. This paper is what spurred my interest
> > in Babylonian and eventually Sumerian musical and tuning stuff.
>
> http://www.new-universe.com/pythagoras/mcclain.html
>
> might be it. I'm pretty sure you sent me that link, Joe, a
> few months ago. Intriguing stuff.

Yes, David, that's the one! Thanks!

(I did an Altavista search and it didn't turn up... and
that was how I found it before! Hmmm...)

-monz
http://www.monz.org
"All roads lead to n^0"