Re:Scales and Lattices

Hi Kraig.

Thanks for the explanation for the hexany.

I've had a try going with the feeling of weightlessness,
and got much better melodic lines somehow.

This may develop into something later perhaps
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robertwalker/fts/hexany_phrase.mid

I've also found a nice way to locate the triads,
which may be useful to those new to it.

Started with the observation that the only notes
not connected by consonant diads are the opposite
pairs of notes.

So if you locate those, you get a useful
starting point.

With the 3 5 7 hexany, as
1/1 8/7 6/5 48/35 8/5 12/7 2/1
the opposite pairs are
1/1 and 48/35
8/7 and 6/5
8/5 and 12/7

Now, if one plays one note only from each of
those pairs, you will get one of the consonant
triads.

I map the hexany to consecutive white notes of
the keyboard.

So one can do a nice kind of five finger type
exercise to get used to how it works.

Place your right thumb on the 6/5, and left thumb
on the 8/7.

So, right index finger plays the 48/35, and so on.

Then, play a triad using either thumb, either index finger, and
either middle finger, and you get a consonant triad.

Are any of your hexany or Eikosany pieces on-line?

Robert

Robert !
None of the Eikosany with "the Creation of the Worlds CD being the most developed and
expanded. But there is http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/899/899284.html
A Farewell Ring -is the 1-3-5-7 hexany

Robert Walker wrote:

> Are any of your hexany or Eikosany pieces on-line?

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

Hi Kraig,

Thanks for the 1 3 5 7 hexany link.

I've downloaded the mp3. However, frustratingly,
my speakers have gone on the blink! Just a faulty
connection I think, but will probably need to
get them fixed as one can't get in with a
screwdriver to see what has happened.

Look forward to hearing it.

Robert

--- In tuning@y..., "Robert Walker" <robert_walker@r...> wrote:

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> Hi Kraig.
>
> Thanks for the explanation for the hexany.
>
> I've had a try going with the feeling of weightlessness,
> and got much better melodic lines somehow.
>
> This may develop into something later perhaps
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robertwalker/fts/hexany_phrase.mid
>

Hi Robert!

It seems like the opening idea to this piece is quite strong... so it
looks like most of us are coming to a consensus that skips and leaps
are somehow integral to composing with the hexany...

_______ _____ _____ _____
Joseph Pehrson

--- In tuning@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_20468.html#20473

> Robert !
> None of the Eikosany with "the Creation of the Worlds CD being
the most developed and
> expanded. But there is
http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/899/899284.html
> A Farewell Ring -is the 1-3-5-7 hexany
>

Gee, this is impressive...

_______ _____ _____ ____
Joseph Pehrson

Hi Joseph,

> I think when you get your speakers and listen to what Kraig Grady has
> been doing with these structures, you'll probably get another view.
> Kraig, who has been working with this stuff a LOT, seems to use the
> pitches as a kind of gestalt... with frequent wide leaps in fairly
> inharmonic timbres with his acoustical instruments.

> So this should sound disjointed, yes? Well, it DOESN'T, it all comes
> together nicely, which leads me to conclude that the INTEGRATION of
> the hexany can only be appreciated through such a GESTALT approach,
> and not by playing it in a typically scalar fashion...

Thanks, I really look forward to hearing what he is doing. Frustrating
to have got as far as downloading it to my p.c. and not to hear it -
it was just about then, maybe a bit before, that my speaker went!

:- (

Robert

Hi Kraig!

I've got my speakers fixed, and could listen to your piece at last.

Wonderful, really enjoyed it.

Shows the hexany can be tender and singing.

Something to aspire to....

What is the effect that sounds like wind with a bit of tone to it,
and picks up the pitches from the instruments at times?

Whatever it is, I really like it, and it goes with the general feeling
of lightness and weightlessness you speak about.

Beautiful!!

Robert

Robert!
Glad that you found this to your liking. The CD that this comes from incorporated the use of
an Eventide Ultraharmonizer. It is not mine and runs about 4000 dollars but does everything you
could imagine. This was some type of trail echo effect. BTW if you mapped a hexany to an
octahedron and played with the three squares that would be what this piece exploits. I like the
1-3-7-11 hexany allot as well as the 1-3-5-11. You might want to learn them where they are in the
eikosany cause even with these few you are pretty deep into that structure.

Robert Walker wrote:

> Hi Kraig!
>
> I've got my speakers fixed, and could listen to your piece at last.
>
> Wonderful, really enjoyed it.
>
> Shows the hexany can be tender and singing.
>
> Something to aspire to....
>
> What is the effect that sounds like wind with a bit of tone to it,
> and picks up the pitches from the instruments at times?
>
> Whatever it is, I really like it, and it goes with the general feeling
> of lightness and weightlessness you speak about.
>
> Beautiful!!

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

Hi Kraig,

Glad that you found this to your liking. The CD that this comes from incorporated the use of an
Eventide Ultraharmonizer. It is not mine and runs about 4000 dollars but does everything you could
imagine. This was some type of trail echo effect. BTW if you mapped a hexany to an octahedron and
played with the three squares that would be what this piece exploits. I like the 1-3-7-11 hexany
allot as well as the 1-3-5-11. You might want to learn them where they are in the eikosany cause
even with these few you are pretty deep into that structure.

I've been exploring one of the hexanies today.

Just been finding each of the diads in turn, and
the two triads joining to each one.

In fact, that four note chord also can make an interesting
dissonance too, if you approach the notes in the right
order - so one hears it as two triads stacked together.

Also had a go finding one of the squares, after
reading your post. Not easy to find for a beginner!

I tried finding one of the diads, then the
two consonant triads that link to it, then the other two
notes are the ones for the square, and then one can find which
are the ones that are consonant with the two ends of the diad.

There is so much to explore!

Prob. be a while till I get to the Eikosany, but the
hexanies will be a lead in as you say.

Robert