Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning Uplifting Energy

Jacky!
You know i say this with great respect for your work and direction
I am quite a bit of a PIL fan (up to Flowers of Romance) and have always been drawn to these
levels of Pathos. If I go see Karen Finley I am confronted with profanity, lude actions with
objects, but when i walk out I feel completely cleansed of so much of the garbage put upon myself
by the status quo. Depressing music makes me happy and nothing depresses me more than happy music.
I need six eyes to see through the madness. I need banishment rituals just to start anything. I
thought uplifting music is what greeted the unsuspecting on arrival to the concentration camps. I
desire to live "through" this world, not "beyond" it. To be reincarnated immediately. To marry my
soul to matter in corporeal bliss. I leave heaven to the gods and godesses!~

ligonj@northstate.net wrote:

> Here's a page containing one of the most beautiful collections of
> music, with Uplifting Energy as the primary theme:
>
> http://www.virtulink.com/immp/jux/radio.htm
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jacky Ligon

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

🔗mango <j.kolling@chello.nl>

🔗ligonj@northstate.net

--- In tuning@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
> I am quite a bit of a PIL fan (up to Flowers of Romance) and
have always been drawn to these
> levels of Pathos.

I must admit, I have grooved on PIL on occasion. Remember "Religion"?

If I go see Karen Finley I am confronted with profanity, lude actions
with
> objects, but when i walk out I feel completely cleansed of so much
of the garbage put upon myself
> by the status quo.

Don't know of her work, but how about Diamanda Galas?

Katharsis in Blood?

> Depressing music makes me happy and nothing depresses me more than
> happy music.

I'm note sure I would readily recognize these forms. I know that some
identify with Major as Happy, and Minor is Sad, but like you (I
think) I find both to be equally beautiful.

> I need six eyes to see through the madness. I need banishment
rituals just to start anything.

I relate.

> I
> thought uplifting music is what greeted the unsuspecting on arrival
> to the concentration camps.

Or perhaps the religious music/hymns of genocidal European's, who
might have used their sacred music as a prelude to wiping the Native
American Indians off the face of the Earth. Nothing can whip up the
blood-lust quicker than an Uplifting Battle Hymn. Yes, "happy" music
can have perverse uses.

And then you have the Talaban, who bans music and destroys artifacts.
There's always the fanatical extremes.

> I
> desire to live "through" this world, not "beyond" it. To be > > >
reincarnated immediately. To marry my
> soul to matter in corporeal bliss. I leave heaven to the gods and >
godesses!~

This is beautiful Kraig - thanks,

Jacky Ligon

🔗ligonj@northstate.net

Hello All!

When I typed my reply to Lawrence on my 10 minute tea break the other
day, my eloquence might have came up short in my effort to generally
describe a point of contemplation, about what it takes for music to
endure - long term - repeated listening.

Certainly what this is, will have many subjective points of view. But
when I think of the many models for me, the styles range through a
very wide spectrum of musical/cultural idioms.

And I may still come up short in being able to describe in text what
the ineffable "quality" is, that makes me want to continue to hear
certain music over and over again. But whatever this may be, is
definitely conveyed through certain musics.

I started out as a kid with things like Morton Sobotnek, Wendy
Carlos, Punk Rock, Partch, Techno, Free Jazz, Varese, Heavy Metal and
Stravinsky. Some of these forms endure for me over the years, while
others lose their novelty and get played less.

Not to encourage or discourage, but more and more these days, I find
myself drawn to listening to traditional musics - acoustic musics.
But the irony is, that I play and make music with both electronic and
acoustic instruments. Perhaps for me, my subjective "best" models for
the sound I wish to create, are to be found in acoustic musics, as
the source for inspiration. Maybe even one day, I'll just "go
acoustic" (we are planning a accapella choir CD in Just Intonations
up to 37 Limit this year).

To invite discussion on this topic, I'd like to ask others who have
listened to music of many kinds, for many years, and have played many
styles for many years:

In your opinion, what are the qualities that make music endure?

What are the attributes of any music you love, that repeatedly makes
you seek it out through the years?

Is it at all important to contemplate what qualities may we observe,
and perhaps adopt to our own purposes, that may help our own music
endure repeated listenings?

Is this important to any kind of "imagined" Microtonal Movement?
There's allot of CDs I've heard out of our beloved Tuning List, which
I *will* be playing as long as the CD format is supported. I sense
that for many here, "the qualities that make music endure repeated
listening", stand as one of a number of grounding philosophical
approaches to music creation. This is born out by the fact that I
possess so many fine works of impeccable microtonal music, from some
of the most creative gentlefolk I've ever known - right here. The
philosophy of creating enduring music lives here, from all I've seen.

"Uplifting Energy" to me, equates and is a metaphor, for
this "Enduring Quality". Which can cover an inconceivably large range
of musical expression and emotion.

Thanks,

Jacky Ligon

🔗monz <MONZ@JUNO.COM>

--- In tuning@y..., ligonj@n... wrote:

/tuning/topicId_20208.html#20220

> To invite discussion on this topic, I'd like to ask others
> who have listened to music of many kinds, for many years, and
> have played many styles for many years:
>
> In your opinion, what are the qualities that make music endure?
>
> What are the attributes of any music you love, that repeatedly
> makes you seek it out through the years?

Hi Jacky.

I found this question especially intriguing, partly because I
have a similarly varied (quite possibly even moreso) selection
of music that I've admired for a long, long time, and have
also noticed the waxing and waning of my interest in various
artists or styles over the years.

For myself, I think the musics that last the longest on my
playlist are the one that incorporate an exquisite marriage
of intellectual interest, powerful emotional engagement,
and ear-tickling sounds.

Often, as we see in genres such as opera or artists such as
Partch or Springsteen, extra-musical artistic means (poetry,
choreography, etc.) also play a significant role in seizing
my attention.

Then there's the dichotomy of studio perfection versus that
"je ne sais quoi" of great live performance, especially
when the audience is really riding that wave. I can appreciate
both in their rare exalted moments.

Wish it wasn't already 1:30 AM (on a worknight)... I could go
on and on with this one!

-monz
http://www.monz.org
"All roads lead to n^0"

🔗Jim Cole <thejimcole@yahoo.com>

🔗Seth Austen <klezmusic@earthlink.net>

on 3/16/01 4:15 AM, tuning@yahoogroups.com at tuning@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> From: ligonj@northstate.net
> Subject: Re: Uplifting Energy
>

> If I go see Karen Finley I am confronted with profanity, lude actions
> with
>> objects, but when i walk out I feel completely cleansed of so much
> of the garbage put upon myself
>> by the status quo.

> Don't know of her work, but how about Diamanda Galas?
>

Karen Findley was one of the infamous performance artists blacklisted by
Jesse Helms and company when they were on their abolish the NEA trip of the
90s. I believe they were offended by her smearing her body with chocolate,
and calling it art. Probably what frightened them the most was that she is a
woman with thoughts and opinions who speaks them.

She wrote a brilliant short story about what would happen if the Republicans
got their way and actually did abolish art. In the end they start creating
their own art, it's all evil and ugly cause it's from their deep dark places
they don't normally go, and it's every bit as frightening as the stuff they
were trying to ban.

Diamand Galas is quite something else, amazing vocals, although personally I
lean more towards the vocal style of Meredith Monk.

>> Depressing music makes me happy and nothing depresses me more than
>> happy music.
>
> I'm note sure I would readily recognize these forms. I know that some
> identify with Major as Happy, and Minor is Sad, but like you (I
> think) I find both to be equally beautiful.

As a child and budding musician, I always liked playing minor pieces better,
it seemed that there was more variety and richness there. I still lean
towards the minors, but I have grown to appreciate major keys.

Seth

------
Seth Austen
http://www.sethausten.com
email; seth@sethausten.com

--
"To be nobody-but-myself -- in a world which is doing its best, night and
day, to make you everybody else -- means to fight the hardest battle which
any human being can fight, and never stop fighting."
-- e.e. cummings

🔗David J. Finnamore <daeron@bellsouth.net>

Jacky Ligon wrote:

> To invite discussion on this topic, I'd like to ask others who have
> listened to music of many kinds, for many years, and have played many
> styles for many years:
>
> In your opinion, what are the qualities that make music endure?
>
> What are the attributes of any music you love, that repeatedly makes
> you seek it out through the years?
>
> Is it at all important to contemplate what qualities may we observe,
> and perhaps adopt to our own purposes, that may help our own music
> endure repeated listenings?

Yes, I think it is not only important but vital. It's a very tough question, though, that probably
has no simple, direct, succinct answer. Music is tied to language and culture, and yet it can
transcend both. Thus, it may be almost impossible to put a universal answer, into the words of any
given language, that applies satisfactorily to all types of music. That said, I'll offer what I think
is a fundamental part of the answer: music that reflects the order and complexity (unity and
diversity) of creation in a way that is recognizable and digestible to the listener is likely to last
a long time. To put it another way, lasting music helps put the listener in a frame of mind that
raises or enhances the ability to see, or at least sense, the beauty and/or profundity in creation.

> Is this important to any kind of "imagined" Microtonal Movement?

In as much as we are composers, it is. In as much as we are theorists, it's probably of peripheral
interest only. IOW, when we get bogged down in numbers, charts, and facts to the point that we forget
what we are doing it all for, it's helpful to be reminded. Tuning is largely a technical issue; if we
feel that we have to constantly and continually keep the issues of art in the foreground of our
discussions, it could bog us down. I find it helpful to go back and forth between emphasis on
knowledge, skill, and art, letting each facet serve the others. For instance, I find it helpful to
try out a scale immediately after generating it, discovering, making a new chart of it, or whatever -
get it under your fingers and get a good taste of what it offers.

BTW, Jacky, I tried out that Harmonic Mirror #4 scale of yours and found it to be a real beauty! It
resonates with itself really well considering how high the ratios are. Very rich. (rf. "Simple
Beauties of JI: The Harmonic Mirror" Fri, 09 Mar 2001 TD 1170.25).

> "Uplifting Energy" to me, equates and is a metaphor, for
> this "Enduring Quality". Which can cover an inconceivably large range
> of musical expression and emotion.

Agreed. Profanity and vulgarity may be a path to a quick sale but not the path to lasting art.
Lasting art appeals to the lasting part of us - our soul, if you will - not merely to our base
instincts, our fleeting flesh. I think that might be something like what you meant by "uplifting"?
Certainly, that includes the full range of human emotion. Anyone who has heard much of my music knows
that I like it a bit on the dark and heavy side from time to time. "Uplifting" does not denote
frivolously happy, nor does "Dark" denote evil.

"Life is pain.... Anyone who tells you otherwise is selling something." - The Princess Bride

--
David J. Finnamore
Nashville, TN, USA
http://personal.bna.bellsouth.net/bna/d/f/dfin/index.html
--

🔗Travis Nevels <travisn@mindspring.com>

I like music that has power. Yet the power is under control. You can feel
the power, and as you listen you ownder if its going to explode or not, you
wonder if the musician is going to lose it. But in the end a good musician
maintains control, and the power is ocntained. That is guitar music I like
to hear.

Aslo I like cool licks to repeat themselves. Too many excellent guitar
players have cool licks that only show up once on an album. you got to start
the whole song over to hear that one cool lick. I say, if its cool, play it
a few times so the audience can hear it. If they like it, they'll want to
hear it more than once.

Travis
www.freestyleguitar.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "David J. Finnamore" <daeron@bellsouth.net>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 4:54 PM
Subject: [tuning] Re: Uplifting Energy

> Jacky Ligon wrote:
>
> > To invite discussion on this topic, I'd like to ask others who have
> > listened to music of many kinds, for many years, and have played many
> > styles for many years:
> >
> > In your opinion, what are the qualities that make music endure?
> >
> > What are the attributes of any music you love, that repeatedly makes
> > you seek it out through the years?
> >
> > Is it at all important to contemplate what qualities may we observe,
> > and perhaps adopt to our own purposes, that may help our own music
> > endure repeated listenings?
>
> Yes, I think it is not only important but vital. It's a very tough
question, though, that probably
> has no simple, direct, succinct answer. Music is tied to language and
culture, and yet it can
> transcend both. Thus, it may be almost impossible to put a universal
answer, into the words of any
> given language, that applies satisfactorily to all types of music. That
said, I'll offer what I think
> is a fundamental part of the answer: music that reflects the order and
complexity (unity and
> diversity) of creation in a way that is recognizable and digestible to the
listener is likely to last
> a long time. To put it another way, lasting music helps put the listener
in a frame of mind that
> raises or enhances the ability to see, or at least sense, the beauty
and/or profundity in creation.
>
>
> > Is this important to any kind of "imagined" Microtonal Movement?
>
> In as much as we are composers, it is. In as much as we are theorists,
it's probably of peripheral
> interest only. IOW, when we get bogged down in numbers, charts, and facts
to the point that we forget
> what we are doing it all for, it's helpful to be reminded. Tuning is
largely a technical issue; if we
> feel that we have to constantly and continually keep the issues of art in
the foreground of our
> discussions, it could bog us down. I find it helpful to go back and forth
between emphasis on
> knowledge, skill, and art, letting each facet serve the others. For
instance, I find it helpful to
> try out a scale immediately after generating it, discovering, making a new
chart of it, or whatever -
> get it under your fingers and get a good taste of what it offers.
>
> BTW, Jacky, I tried out that Harmonic Mirror #4 scale of yours and found
it to be a real beauty! It
> resonates with itself really well considering how high the ratios are.
Very rich. (rf. "Simple
> Beauties of JI: The Harmonic Mirror" Fri, 09 Mar 2001 TD 1170.25).
>
>
> > "Uplifting Energy" to me, equates and is a metaphor, for
> > this "Enduring Quality". Which can cover an inconceivably large range
> > of musical expression and emotion.
>
> Agreed. Profanity and vulgarity may be a path to a quick sale but not the
path to lasting art.
> Lasting art appeals to the lasting part of us - our soul, if you will -
not merely to our base
> instincts, our fleeting flesh. I think that might be something like what
you meant by "uplifting"?
> Certainly, that includes the full range of human emotion. Anyone who has
heard much of my music knows
> that I like it a bit on the dark and heavy side from time to time.
"Uplifting" does not denote
> frivolously happy, nor does "Dark" denote evil.
>
> "Life is pain.... Anyone who tells you otherwise is selling something." -
The Princess Bride
>
> --
> David J. Finnamore
> Nashville, TN, USA
> http://personal.bna.bellsouth.net/bna/d/f/dfin/index.html
> --
>
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🔗ligonj@northstate.net

I enjoyed your tunes Travis. Do you have any microtonal guitars?

Thanks,

Jacky Ligon

--- In tuning@y..., "Travis Nevels" <travisn@m...> wrote:
> I like music that has power. Yet the power is under control. You
can feel
> the power, and as you listen you ownder if its going to explode or
not, you
> wonder if the musician is going to lose it. But in the end a good
musician
> maintains control, and the power is ocntained. That is guitar music
I like
> to hear.
>
> Aslo I like cool licks to repeat themselves. Too many excellent
guitar
> players have cool licks that only show up once on an album. you got
to start
> the whole song over to hear that one cool lick. I say, if its cool,
play it
> a few times so the audience can hear it. If they like it, they'll
want to
> hear it more than once.
>
> Travis
> www.freestyleguitar.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David J. Finnamore" <daeron@b...>
> To: <tuning@y...>
> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 4:54 PM
> Subject: [tuning] Re: Uplifting Energy
>
>
> > Jacky Ligon wrote:
> >
> > > To invite discussion on this topic, I'd like to ask others who
have
> > > listened to music of many kinds, for many years, and have
played many
> > > styles for many years:
> > >
> > > In your opinion, what are the qualities that make music endure?
> > >

Uplifting Energy

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