Hello

Hi everyone,

I thought I would peek in to see if I could learn something more. It
all seems a bit over my head still, but that's only because I haven't
done my JI Math Homework!

I was here in April 2000 (see message 9608) to ask about a Woodstock
Chime set I bought. The number labels showing the ratios had worn
off.
I think I've got them correctly marked again.

Why don't they sound nice all together?

Bekah

Kraig Grady wrote:
>
> beckah!
> first of all what are the ratios?
> It could be that as metallic sounds have allot of noise at the
> attack
>

I'll be sending a message soon to answer this question. I'm busy
beating out the tones of other subjects. Meanwhile...

I wonder if music is not the main part of the real substance of
the universe?

Bekah

PS. I like having an online archive at egroups for this (and
other) lists; I can delete
un- or half-read messages, and still have them available to
research at a time appropriate
for me. Why re-invent the archive-wheel?

hi bekah..

> I wonder if music is not the main part of the real substance of
> the universe?

there's a small article in the most recent issue of scientific
america about how some cosmologists are thinking that the early
universe was dense enough to transmit sound and that irregularities
resulted in huge universal vibrations. at some point matter
assumed a form that didn't allow that kind of sound and the patterns in
the background radiation seen today show the 'sound' of the universe
at the moment it changed...

> PS. I like having an online archive at egroups for this (and
> other) lists; I can delete
> un- or half-read messages, and still have them available to
> research at a time appropriate
> for me. Why re-invent the archive-wheel?

the archive is nice, but i wish i could search for a string in
the bodies of posts as well as in the subjects -- am i just
missing something obvious?

--
P a u l F l y
http://www.neuron.net/~pfly

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Fly [mailto:pfly@neuron.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 4:11 PM
> To: tuning@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Hello

> there's a small article in the most recent issue of scientific
> america about how some cosmologists are thinking that the early
> universe was dense enough to transmit sound and that irregularities
> resulted in huge universal vibrations. at some point matter
> assumed a form that didn't allow that kind of sound and the patterns in
> the background radiation seen today show the 'sound' of the universe
> at the moment it changed...

Hmmm ... I was reading an article that said scientists had actually recorded
the sound of the "Big Bang" itself. Then they put the sound into an analysis
program to see if they could calculate backwards to *before* the "Big Bang".
Well, supposedly that worked, and what they heard was,

"Oops! ... Uh oh ..."

To all members

Time for vacation is arrived for a couple of weeks. I want to help my son
for renovation at his condo and taste regeneration ("bain de jouvence")
with my two young grandson. Text on indian srutis will be not completed
like I anticipated, but a part will be online. I come back in september.

I would like to express my appreciation for discussions on this group in my
first 20 days as member. It commands some adaptation with English but
before I was talking only in my head.

Maybe I've a formula for language. I could write important posts in French
on a reserved location in my pages, then a condensed translation on list
with link on developped text. I don't know if formula could be good for you
and I shall know, for me, after experience only.

Bonjour à tous

Pierre

Er. Moderators,

Thanks for the good work you've been doing keeping the list free of ads.

But how did this one get thru?

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "pchighwayltd" <pchighwayltd@y...> wrote:
> Begin your campaign by choosing a place where to locate your web
> site.
...

>Er. Moderators,
>
>Thanks for the good work you've been doing keeping the list free of ads.
>
>But how did this one get thru?
>
>--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "pchighwayltd" <pchighwayltd@y...> wrote:
>> Begin your campaign by choosing a place where to locate your web
>> site.
>...

Our group is in 'anyone can join' mode. Thus, we "whack" the "mole"
after they appear. This method is never totally spamproof, but we
can clean the archives afterwards and shut down a spammer after
their first offense.

Perhaps we should have a "poll" as to whether to make the group
subscriptions conditional. Potential members would have to write
a blurb on their interest in tuning, which the moderators would
then screen. It's probably less work for the moderators but it
may be a barrier to shy potential listers. What does anyone think?

-Carl

on 1/9/04 1:43 PM, Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org> wrote:

>> Er. Moderators,
>>
>> Thanks for the good work you've been doing keeping the list free of ads.
>>
>> But how did this one get thru?
>>
>> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "pchighwayltd" <pchighwayltd@y...> wrote:
>>> Begin your campaign by choosing a place where to locate your web
>>> site.
>> ...
>
> Our group is in 'anyone can join' mode. Thus, we "whack" the "mole"
> after they appear. This method is never totally spamproof, but we
> can clean the archives afterwards and shut down a spammer after
> their first offense.
>
> Perhaps we should have a "poll" as to whether to make the group
> subscriptions conditional. Potential members would have to write
> a blurb on their interest in tuning, which the moderators would
> then screen. It's probably less work for the moderators but it
> may be a barrier to shy potential listers. What does anyone think?

The problem is currently not anywhere near being horrendous.

I think its great that we can offer to an inspired newbie the possibility of
joining and asking a question and getting responses immediately, regardless
of what the moderators are up to.

-Kurt

>
> -Carl

Carl,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:
> Perhaps we should have a "poll" as to whether to make the group
> subscriptions conditional. Potential members would have to write
> a blurb on their interest in tuning, which the moderators would
> then screen. It's probably less work for the moderators but it
> may be a barrier to shy potential listers. What does anyone think?

None of this is so bad that it matters either way, and what you have done is probably going to be fine. FWIW, I've gone the other route on MMM, which is getting notified of someone intending to join, sending them a simple blurb like you mention, and then letting them join when they reply. Out of 20 or so since I've put this in place, there have been no people balking, and in fact most have thanked me. And there have been *no* spam posts.

It appears that, save a few, the majority of these spam use an email address once only, so the "whack a mole" option is a bit moot, since they most likely won't post again from that address.

But, as I say, either way seems to work at present. And the efforts you and Gene are making are worth it.

Cheers,
Jon

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:
> Our group is in 'anyone can join' mode. Thus, we "whack" the "mole"
> after they appear. This method is never totally spamproof, but we
> can clean the archives afterwards and shut down a spammer after
> their first offense.
>
> Perhaps we should have a "poll" as to whether to make the group
> subscriptions conditional. Potential members would have to write
> a blurb on their interest in tuning, which the moderators would
> then screen. It's probably less work for the moderators but it
> may be a barrier to shy potential listers. What does anyone think?

Oh dear. How come neither you nor Gene understood my description
(twice) of the Yahoo groups feature that gives you the best of both of
these options, even after Paul tried to clarify it?

If Mark give you the power to change group settings, please go to
management/group-settings/messages/posting-and-archives/edit and under
"Moderation" select "New Members" and click "Save Changes".

There's absolutely nothing objectionable about this option, so there's
no need for a poll.

I wrote:
> If Mark give you the power to change group settings, please go to
> management/group-settings/messages/posting-and-archives/edit and under
> "Moderation" select "New Members" and click "Save Changes".
>
> There's absolutely nothing objectionable about this option, so there's
> no need for a poll.

To clarify (again), this means a new member can read the archives and
receive new postings immediately, only the first time they post (if
ever) will this post have to be approved by a moderator before the
rest of the list sees it (at most a 16 hour delay?).

I'd prefer this to spam.

For people who get the list by email, the current system for stopping
spam is no system at all, since as someone else pointed out, spammers
generally only use an address once.

>If Mark give you the power to change group settings, please go to
>management/group-settings/messages/posting-and-archives/edit and under
>"Moderation" select "New Members" and click "Save Changes".
>
>There's absolutely nothing objectionable about this option, so there's
>no need for a poll.

It doesn't look like I have that power.

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_10868.html#51360

> >Er. Moderators,
> >
> >Thanks for the good work you've been doing keeping the list free
of ads.
> >
> >But how did this one get thru?
> >
> >--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "pchighwayltd" <pchighwayltd@y...>
wrote:
> >> Begin your campaign by choosing a place where to locate your web
> >> site.
> >...
>
> Our group is in 'anyone can join' mode. Thus, we "whack" the "mole"
> after they appear. This method is never totally spamproof, but we
> can clean the archives afterwards and shut down a spammer after
> their first offense.
>
> Perhaps we should have a "poll" as to whether to make the group
> subscriptions conditional. Potential members would have to write
> a blurb on their interest in tuning, which the moderators would
> then screen. It's probably less work for the moderators but it
> may be a barrier to shy potential listers. What does anyone think?
>
> -Carl

***But what would they say? "I'm interested in tuning??" :) I guess
the young lady sex posters wouldn't want to take the time to have to
do that...

JP

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Kurt Bigler <kkb@b...> wrote:

/tuning/topicId_10868.html#51362

> on 1/9/04 1:43 PM, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:
>
> >> Er. Moderators,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the good work you've been doing keeping the list free
of ads.
> >>
> >> But how did this one get thru?
> >>
> >> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "pchighwayltd"
<pchighwayltd@y...> wrote:
> >>> Begin your campaign by choosing a place where to locate your web
> >>> site.
> >> ...
> >
> > Our group is in 'anyone can join' mode. Thus, we "whack"
the "mole"
> > after they appear. This method is never totally spamproof, but we
> > can clean the archives afterwards and shut down a spammer after
> > their first offense.
> >
> > Perhaps we should have a "poll" as to whether to make the group
> > subscriptions conditional. Potential members would have to write
> > a blurb on their interest in tuning, which the moderators would
> > then screen. It's probably less work for the moderators but it
> > may be a barrier to shy potential listers. What does anyone
think?
>
> The problem is currently not anywhere near being horrendous.
>
> I think its great that we can offer to an inspired newbie the
possibility of
> joining and asking a question and getting responses immediately,
regardless
> of what the moderators are up to.
>
> -Kurt
>
> >
> > -Carl

***I agree with Kurt. Zap 'em after they sting... and it's not
really all that huge a problem at the moment...

JP

on 1/9/04 6:15 PM, Dave Keenan <d.keenan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> I wrote:
>> If Mark give you the power to change group settings, please go to
>> management/group-settings/messages/posting-and-archives/edit and under
>> "Moderation" select "New Members" and click "Save Changes".
>>
>> There's absolutely nothing objectionable about this option, so there's
>> no need for a poll.
>
> To clarify (again), this means a new member can read the archives and
> receive new postings immediately, only the first time they post (if
> ever) will this post have to be approved by a moderator before the
> rest of the list sees it (at most a 16 hour delay?).

That delay was exactly what I was trying to avoid. Seize the moment!
Newbie makes post and gets exciting responses immediately!

> I'd prefer this to spam.

We hardly have any spam to speak of. Like .01 percent of posts, maybe?

> For people who get the list by email, the current system for stopping
> spam is no system at all, since as someone else pointed out, spammers
> generally only use an address once.

As soon as that seems to be true here, we can look into it. I belive that
was not the case for our sex spams, which were our most significant problem.

Maybe this will change, and so perhaps we should look into getting the
additional moderator privileges that Carl in a separate post seemed into
indicate were not available to him. Still I would avoid using that option
until there is any sign of a need for it.

-Kurt

on 1/9/04 11:04 PM, Kurt Bigler <kkb@breathsense.com> wrote:

> on 1/9/04 6:15 PM, Dave Keenan <d.keenan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>> I wrote:
>>> If Mark give you the power to change group settings, please go to
>>> management/group-settings/messages/posting-and-archives/edit and under
>>> "Moderation" select "New Members" and click "Save Changes".
>>>
>>> There's absolutely nothing objectionable about this option, so there's
>>> no need for a poll.
>>
>> To clarify (again), this means a new member can read the archives and
>> receive new postings immediately, only the first time they post (if
>> ever) will this post have to be approved by a moderator before the
>> rest of the list sees it (at most a 16 hour delay?).
>
> That delay was exactly what I was trying to avoid. Seize the moment!
> Newbie makes post and gets exciting responses immediately!
>
>> I'd prefer this to spam.
>
> We hardly have any spam to speak of. Like .01 percent of posts, maybe?
>
>> For people who get the list by email, the current system for stopping
>> spam is no system at all, since as someone else pointed out, spammers
>> generally only use an address once.
>
> As soon as that seems to be true here, we can look into it. I belive that
> was not the case for our sex spams, which were our most significant problem.

I do not mean to discredit Dave's point of view. Well actually when I wrote
this perhaps I did mean to do that, a little, but I have reconsidered, and
my apologies for this. I would just rather new users are able to post
immediately in all cases than reduce spam from the level it *appears* to be
right now.

-Kurt

> Maybe this will change, and so perhaps we should look into getting the
> additional moderator privileges that Carl in a separate post seemed into
> indicate were not available to him. Still I would avoid using that option
> until there is any sign of a need for it.
>
> -Kurt

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Kurt Bigler <kkb@b...> wrote:
> on 1/9/04 11:04 PM, Kurt Bigler <kkb@b...> wrote:
>
> > on 1/9/04 6:15 PM, Dave Keenan <d.keenan@b...> wrote:
> >> To clarify (again), this means a new member can read the archives and
> >> receive new postings immediately, only the first time they post (if
> >> ever) will this post have to be approved by a moderator before the
> >> rest of the list sees it (at most a 16 hour delay?).
> >
> > That delay was exactly what I was trying to avoid. Seize the moment!
> > Newbie makes post and gets exciting responses immediately!

I don't imagine the typical delay would be anything like 16 hours,
more likely a few minutes, since typically the poster would be in the
same time zone as one of the moderators.

This is an argument for having moderators in 2 or 3 well-distributed
time zones around the planet. Not just in the US. And no, I'm not
volunteering.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:
> >If Mark give you the power to change group settings, please go to
> >management/group-settings/messages/posting-and-archives/edit and
under
> >"Moderation" select "New Members" and click "Save Changes".
> >
> >There's absolutely nothing objectionable about this option, so
there's
> >no need for a poll.
>
> It doesn't look like I have that power.
>
> -Carl

Looks like we'll need to contact Mark N. one more time . . . ?

Assuming it's not out of place, I'd like to introduce myself to the
group. I've been lurking for a few days and I like the conversations I
see so far. I'm a composer applying for grad school in the fall. I've
been actively studying and experimenting with microtonal music for
about a year now. I personally don't know anyone else seriously
interested in microtonality, so a group like this is pretty exciting
to me.

I have a guitar tuning I created and use for a few pieces:

1 - 1/1
2 - 49/25
3 - 7/5
4 - 1/1
5 - 8/5
6 - 1/1

It's somewhat limited, but very nice for someone who wants some nice
approximations of 7 & 11-limit ratios without ripping frets out.

What I'm currently working on isn't microtonal (it's in 12tet), but it
is related. I have a MIDI template I created that maps out rhythm
ratios that directly relate to the pitch intervals of 12tet, resulting
in non-repeating rhythms based on irrational numbers. It's like if
someone turned a disklavier into a rhythmicon.

I have some of my music hosted here:

www.myspace.com/josephpost

Have a good day

Joe

Hi and welcome--

I'm curious, you post a scale below with three 1/1's, surely you made
a typo, and might the 2nd '1/1' really be a 3/2, and the 3rd be a 2/1?

typically, it's standard practice for folks around here to post
scales, assuming octave equivalence, without saying both the 2/1 and
the 1/1...the .scl format in scala for instance would start a scale
with the first interval that was _not_ 1/1, and typically ends on 2/1,
the last note being the assumed period of the scale (like I said,
usually 2/1, but there are non-octave folks out there too ;) )

Best,
Aaron.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monitorsrock" <12tone@...> wrote:
>
> Assuming it's not out of place, I'd like to introduce myself to the
> group. I've been lurking for a few days and I like the conversations I
> see so far. I'm a composer applying for grad school in the fall. I've
> been actively studying and experimenting with microtonal music for
> about a year now. I personally don't know anyone else seriously
> interested in microtonality, so a group like this is pretty exciting
> to me.
>
> I have a guitar tuning I created and use for a few pieces:
>
> 1 - 1/1
> 2 - 49/25
> 3 - 7/5
> 4 - 1/1
> 5 - 8/5
> 6 - 1/1
>
> It's somewhat limited, but very nice for someone who wants some nice
> approximations of 7 & 11-limit ratios without ripping frets out.
>
> What I'm currently working on isn't microtonal (it's in 12tet), but it
> is related. I have a MIDI template I created that maps out rhythm
> ratios that directly relate to the pitch intervals of 12tet, resulting
> in non-repeating rhythms based on irrational numbers. It's like if
> someone turned a disklavier into a rhythmicon.
>
> I have some of my music hosted here:
>
> www.myspace.com/josephpost
>
> Have a good day
>
> Joe
>

Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
> Hi and welcome--
> > I'm curious, you post a scale below with three 1/1's, surely you made
> a typo, and might the 2nd '1/1' really be a 3/2, and the 3rd be a 2/1?

It's not a scale, it's a guitar tuning. I'm guessing he's posted octave reduced ratios, so the 1/1s should really be some number of octaves.

Graham

Good to hear from you, Joe. I'm about to add you as a myspace
contact. Your piano piece is very nancarrow-esque. And the cover art
for your retuned guitar piece... are you a Tonescape user?

What grad schools are you looking at? Not that I know a thing about
composition grad school.

Good to see your post,

-Carl

I don't think it's a scale, but rather what the strings
of his guitar are tuned to.

But I am a big proponent of everything you said about
Scala format. :)

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Krister Johnson" <aaron@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi and welcome--
>
> I'm curious, you post a scale below with three 1/1's, surely
> you made a typo, and might the 2nd '1/1' really be a 3/2, and
> the 3rd be a 2/1?
> typically, it's standard practice for folks around here to post
> scales, assuming octave equivalence, without saying both the 2/1
> and the 1/1...the .scl format in scala for instance would start
> a scale with the first interval that was _not_ 1/1, and typically
> ends on 2/1, the last note being the assumed period of the scale
> (like I said, usually 2/1, but there are non-octave folks out
> there too ;) )
>
> Best,
> Aaron.
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monitorsrock" <12tone@> wrote:
> >
//
> >
> > I have a guitar tuning I created and use for a few pieces:
> >
> > 1 - 1/1
> > 2 - 49/25
> > 3 - 7/5
> > 4 - 1/1
> > 5 - 8/5
> > 6 - 1/1

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Good to hear from you, Joe. I'm about to add you as a myspace
> contact. Your piano piece is very nancarrow-esque. And the cover art
> for your retuned guitar piece... are you a Tonescape user?
>
> What grad schools are you looking at? Not that I know a thing about
> composition grad school.
>
> Good to see your post,
>
> -Carl
>

The disklavier piece is very much influenced by Nancarrow and Cowell.
I am not really a tonescape user, but at the time I wanted a picture
of a pitch lattice for that piece.

I'm applying to UMKC, KU, UMN, UF and ASU so far. I've recently looked
into applying to UB, CUNY-Brooklyn and CUNY-Queens as well.

It would have been more polite if I had introduced myself here before trying to join the XA Facebook Group...

My name is Dong_Bin Choi, living in Eastern US. I have been lurking on the microtonal cluster of the Web and reading about/listening to some xenharmonic music for quite some time. Listening to Battaglia's/Parizek's functional comma pump progressions motivated me to learn more about different regular temperaments. I am mainly interested in non-meantone temperaments of at least medium harmonic accuracy (e.g. I dig porcupine with its 7-edo like melody and its highly asymmetric 5/4), but I'm pretty sure that there are other very cool ideas here.

- Dong Bin Choi

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "dongbinchoi12" <dtothefourthchoi@...> wrote:
>
> It would have been more polite if I had introduced myself here before trying to join the XA Facebook Group...

I hope it wasn't a problem joining the Facebook group. You should also be aware of the Xenwiki: http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Lists+and+Galleries

On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:44 PM, dongbinchoi12 <dtothefourthchoi@...>
wrote:

It would have been more polite if I had introduced myself here before
trying to join the XA Facebook Group...

My name is Dong_Bin Choi, living in Eastern US. I have been lurking on the
microtonal cluster of the Web and reading about/listening to some
xenharmonic music for quite some time. Listening to Battaglia's/Parizek's
functional comma pump progressions motivated me to learn more about
different regular temperaments. I am mainly interested in non-meantone
temperaments of at least medium harmonic accuracy (e.g. I dig porcupine
with its 7-edo like melody and its highly asymmetric 5/4), but I'm pretty
sure that there are other very cool ideas here.

- Dong Bin Choi

Hello Dong Bin Choi!

What instrument do you play?

I suggest taking a strong look at EDOs which are of palatable harmonic
accuracy. Whichever one catches your eye will be sure to "contain" a number
of MOS's and rank 2 temperaments in general that also catch your eye.

For starters, check out 11-EDO - 11-EDO has 4:7:9:11 everywhere with only
11 notes and surprisingly good accuracy.

Oops, gotta go - gig is starting back up! Check out 19-EDO and its exotic
meantone enharmonic equivalences! Brb jazz

-Mike

At the moment the reason I'm posting here is that when I seriously resolved to join the group my request was rejected for some reason. I have applied again.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "dongbinchoi12" <dtothefourthchoi@> wrote:
> >
> > It would have been more polite if I had introduced myself here before trying to join the XA Facebook Group...
>
> I hope it wasn't a problem joining the Facebook group. You should also be aware of the Xenwiki: http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Lists+and+Galleries
>