virus messages

I think I must have gotten at least 20 emails asking me to open what
were most certainly virus attachments...

Other people getting that many??

J. Pehrson

yes.

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:39 PM
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> I think I must have gotten at least 20 emails asking me to open what
> were most certainly virus attachments...
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> Other people getting that many??
>
> J. Pehrson
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no but did last week

Dante Rosati wrote:

> yes.
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> > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:39 PM
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> > I think I must have gotten at least 20 emails asking me to open what
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hi Joe,

> From: Joseph Pehrson [mailto:jpehrson@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:39 PM
> To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [metatuning] virus messages
>
>
> I think I must have gotten at least 20 emails asking
> me to open what were most certainly virus attachments...
>
> Other people getting that many??

yes.

this has been one *very* busy week for computer viruses.

my AT&T email account (the one from which i subscribe
to all my Yahoo groups) went haywire late Sunday night,
and for 3 days all i kept getting were multiple copies
of the same 6 messages. i must have deleted about
200 or 300 copies of each one, and in the meantime
no new messages got thru.

i spoke to someone at AT&T tech support about it
last night, and that person insisted that it must
have been a virus on my computer, and i insisted that
my computer was clean.

i have ZoneAlarm firewall, which keeps out most of
that junk, and Norton AntiVirus, which generally deletes
viruses which do make it in, and even if it doesn't
delete a virus that it finds, it always at least *tells*
me that i've been infected. and everything checked out
OK on my end.

then magically today the email problem suddenly disappeared,
and everything was back to normal. so i'm convinced
that the problem was on the AT&T end, and they just
wouldn't admit it to me while they were trying to fix it,
for fear that i'd dump them and find another DSL provider.

if you do a few searches on the subject, you'll find
that viruses have indeed been a big problem worldwide
for the past few days.

(unfortunately, i also managed to get another kind of
virus in my *stomach* on monday too, and i'm still not
over it.)

-monz

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, <monz@a...> wrote:

/metatuning/topicId_5545.html#5550

> (unfortunately, i also managed to get another kind of
> virus in my *stomach* on monday too, and i'm still not
> over it.)
>
>
>
> -monz

***Monz, you should know better! That comes from sitting too close
to the computer... (get better soon!)

best,

Joe

Joseph Pehrson wrote:

>I think I must have gotten at least 20 emails asking me to open what >were most certainly virus attachments...
>
>Other people getting that many??
>
>J. Pehrson
>
>
> >
Is that all? I've received about 750 since last Wed.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley <db@b...> wrote:

/metatuning/topicId_5545.html#5554

> Joseph Pehrson wrote:
>
> >I think I must have gotten at least 20 emails asking me to open
what
> >were most certainly virus attachments...
> >
> >Other people getting that many??
> >
> >J. Pehrson
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Is that all? I've received about 750 since last Wed.
>
> --
> * David Beardsley
> * microtonal guitar
> * http://biink.com/db

***Wow. I see I'm getting off easy...

JP

> > Other people getting that many??

Last week I got 2-3 per day. Haven't seen any this
week.

> then magically today the email problem suddenly disappeared,
> and everything was back to normal. so i'm convinced
> that the problem was on the AT&T end,

Probably you're address is known to lots of folks with the
virus. Unless someone got a hold of a swath of AT&T
addresses. But in any case, some viruses perform nasty
things at certain times and sit dormant in between, so a
stop to activity doesn't necessarily mean you're clean.

The best protection against viruses...

() Don't execute untrusted code.
() Don't use Word or Outlook.
() Keep abreast of the latest Windows updates.
() Run a firewall.
() Avoid anti-virus software.

> (unfortunately, i also managed to get another kind of
> virus in my *stomach* on monday too, and i'm still not
> over it.)

Actually, I'm not aware of any common ailments of the
gut which are related to viruses. "Stomach flu" is
almost always caused by food poisoning.

-Carl

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
wrote:
> I think I must have gotten at least 20 emails asking me to open
what
> were most certainly virus attachments...
>
> Other people getting that many??
>
> J. Pehrson

i've been getting a huge number this week, far more than ever before,
but they all have the viruses stripped out before they even reach my
machine, thanks to anti-virus software upstream from me.

hi Carl,

> From: Carl Lumma [mailto:clumma@...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:28 AM
> To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: virus messages
>
>
>
> The best protection against [computer] viruses...
>
> () Don't execute untrusted code.
> () Don't use Word or Outlook.
> () Keep abreast of the latest Windows updates.
> () Run a firewall.
> () Avoid anti-virus software.

huh? *avoid* anti-virus software? i don't get it.

any tips on a good non-Microsoft alternative to Outlook?

> > (unfortunately, i also managed to get another kind of
> > virus in my *stomach* on monday too, and i'm still not
> > over it.)
>
> Actually, I'm not aware of any common ailments of the
> gut which are related to viruses. "Stomach flu" is
> almost always caused by food poisoning.

that's not what i've read. according to

http://www.barnard.columbia.edu/health/publications/stomachflu.htm

>> "Infection with norovirus irritates the stomach and intestines
>> causing an illness called stomach flu or gastroenteritis."

i could list other internet sources giving similar info ...
do a search and you'll find lots of them.

-monz

hmm, seems I am have _no_ virus barrage at all due to both AOL's security and
my nasty lil Russian defensive/offensive 'hackware system for Mac (which is
no longer available online- the whole Russian 'hackware site seems to have
disappeared!... perhaps cuz it had 'hackware with anti-CARNIVORE capabilities
amongst many other such programs).

---
Hanuman Zhang, _Gomi no sensei_ [Master of junk]

"To live is to scrounge, taking what you can in order to survive. So,
since living is scrounging, the result of our efforts is to amass a pile of
rubbish."
- Chuang Tzu/Zhuangzi, China, 4th Century BCE

"The most beautiful order is a heap of sweepings piled up at random."
- Heraclitus, Greece, 5th Century BCE

Ars imitatur Naturam in sua operatione.
[Latin > "Art is the imitation of Nature in her manner of operation."]

" jinsei to iu mono wa, kichou na geijyutsu to ieru deshou "
[Japanese > "one can probably say that 'life' is a precious artform"]

"...So what is life for? Life is for beauty and substance and sound and
colour; and even those are often forbidden by law [socio-cultural conventions].
. . . Why not be free and live your own life? Why follow other people's rules
and live to please others?..." ~Lieh-Tzu/Liezi, Taoist Sage (c. 450- c. 375
BCE)

"...we may be able to prove conclusively that all men are born with
potentially brilliant intellects...and that the source of cultural creativity is the
consciousness that springs from social cooperation and loving interaction...the
majority of us live far below our potential, because of the oppressive nature
of most societies." - John Blacking

"There is no total revolution, there is only _perpetual_ Revolution,
real life, like love, dazzling at every moment." - Paul Eluard

> > The best protection against [computer] viruses...
> >
> > () Don't execute untrusted code.
> > () Don't use Word or Outlook.
> > () Keep abreast of the latest Windows updates.
> > () Run a firewall.
> > () Avoid anti-virus software.
>
> huh? *avoid* anti-virus software? i don't get it.

By some measures anti-virus software is as bad as
most viruses. The companies that make anti-virus
software use fear mongering and prey on people who
don't understand computer security. One company
(Norton) has even been caught in the act of inventing
virus threats. The constant update downloads cost
a lot of bandwidth, and the constantly-running,
horribly over-engineered software causes a huge
performance hit locally.

> any tips on a good non-Microsoft alternative to Outlook?

Eudora has many problems, but also gets a lot right.
I've been using it since 1995. I can't really see how
people can use Outlook at all, to be honest, even aside
from the virus issue. Though a few folks I respect do
use it. I'm told Ximian's Evolution is quite good,
though it only runs on linux AFAIK. Other than that,
I don't know of anything. You might try searching
sourceforge.

> > Actually, I'm not aware of any common ailments of the
> > gut which are related to viruses. "Stomach flu" is
> > almost always caused by food poisoning.
>
>
> that's not what i've read.
//
> >> "Infection with norovirus irritates the stomach and
> >> intestines causing an illness called stomach flu or
> >> gastroenteritis."

I stand corrected.

-Carl

> > huh? *avoid* anti-virus software? i don't get it.
>
> By some measures anti-virus software is as bad as
> most viruses. The companies that make anti-virus
> software use fear mongering and prey on people who
> don't understand computer security. One company
> (Norton) has even been caught in the act of inventing
> virus threats. The constant update downloads cost
> a lot of bandwidth, and the constantly-running,
> horribly over-engineered software causes a huge
> performance hit locally.

More to the point: pretty-good security models for
computing exist, and better ones are on the way (see
erights.org). If a virus comes along and exploits
a weakness, you fix the weakness in the model, or
the implementation of the model. It's a very poor
strategy to issue manual fixes based on particular
implementations of particular viruses (ala "anti-virus"
software) -- that way, each virus has to do a minimum
amount of damage before it can be stopped, and stopping
one doesn't help you stop the next one. The sad thing
is that anti-virus software companies have decided to
see this as a model for perpetual business, just like
the proverbial pharmaceutical companies that seek out
symptom treatments rather than cures to stay in
business. Except in this case, it's a much more
accurate description of the situation.

-Carl

yesterday (thursday), according to my PCcillian log, I got 18 virus emails
(attachments deleted by program of course). Today is one hour old and I've
gotten 4 already. CrAzY.

Dante

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Erlich [mailto:PERLICH@...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:55 PM
> To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: virus messages
>
>
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
> wrote:
> > I think I must have gotten at least 20 emails asking me to open
> what
> > were most certainly virus attachments...
> >
> > Other people getting that many??
> >
> > J. Pehrson
>
> i've been getting a huge number this week, far more than ever before,
> but they all have the viruses stripped out before they even reach my
> machine, thanks to anti-virus software upstream from me.
>
>
>
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I am now receiving upwards of 50 emails per day with virus attachments.
Today is only half over, and already I have gotten 50. This is getting
ridiculous! What is more, even though I do not have the virus and have never
had it (this is SOBIG ZI'm talking about), my email address is being
"spoofed" so that infected emails are being sent from somewhere that appear
to be comming from me, so I am getting emails showing that certain servers
are rejecting spoofed emails from me that contain virus attachments.
Apparently, when someone who has your email address in their email program
becomes infected, the virus can use not only their address but yours and
anyone else's it finds there. This is truely a new form of nastiness.

Danet