more good news!

Who would have thought that jerking off and eating pizza were the keys to
health and longevity?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/07/20/offbeat.pizza.prevents.reut/index
.html

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Dante Rosati" <dante.interport@r...> wrote:
> Who would have thought that jerking off and eating pizza were the keys to
> health and longevity?

Me?

:)

Cheers,
Jon (who sees this string of posts as pure evidence that the tuning list(s) have devolved into a male-only realm... and worse!)

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Dante Rosati"

/metatuning/topicId_5174.html#5174

<dante.interport@r...> wrote:
> Who would have thought that jerking off and eating pizza were the
keys to
> health and longevity?
>
>
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/07/20/offbeat.pizza.prevents.reut
/index
> .html

***Now to another interesting point that I just found out about
today. Are people aware of the fact that circumcision actually
reduces sexual pleasure and that the United States is the *only*
English speaking country that routinely continues this practice,
which is, indeed, a bloody one for the poor babies??

Additionally, the reason that circumcision took off so in this
country is the fact that some physicians during the Victorian age
thought it was a remedy for masterbation, which they thought could
lead to innumerable diseases, even insanity and death.

We're learning, with the help of Science, obviously the opposite
today. Personally, I didn't even think much about being circumcised
until I happened to look down and...

Well on to the articles:

http://www.cirp.org/pages/parents/FAQ/

And here's the good one, entitled "Porn Flakes" about those who
actually promulgated circumcision as a grounds for discouraging
masterbation (don't miss this one):

http://www.ibiblio.org/stayfree/10/graham.htm

That's the long and the short of it...

J. Pehrson

> ***Now to another interesting point that I just found out about
> today. Are people aware of the fact that circumcision actually
> reduces sexual pleasure and that the United States is the *only*
> English speaking country that routinely continues this practice,
> which is, indeed, a bloody one for the poor babies??
//
> http://www.cirp.org/pages/parents/FAQ/
//
> http://www.ibiblio.org/stayfree/10/graham.htm
>
> That's the long and the short of it...
>
> J. Pehrson

See also:

http://www.jkcc.com/manhood/

-Carl

thats funny too: "the manhood". almost as good as powergenetalia.com. I've
spoken to women with extensive experience with many different willies, and
have heard how circumcised men tend to need more friction & for a longer
time due to the relative insensitivity of the glans. Funny, I thought taking
a long time was a good thing as far as the fair sex was concerned. Go
figure.

Dante

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Lumma [mailto:clumma@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:20 PM
> To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: more good news!
>
>
> > ***Now to another interesting point that I just found out about
> > today. Are people aware of the fact that circumcision actually
> > reduces sexual pleasure and that the United States is the *only*
> > English speaking country that routinely continues this practice,
> > which is, indeed, a bloody one for the poor babies??
> //
> > http://www.cirp.org/pages/parents/FAQ/
> //
> > http://www.ibiblio.org/stayfree/10/graham.htm
> >
> > That's the long and the short of it...
> >
> > J. Pehrson
>
> See also:
>
> http://www.jkcc.com/manhood/
>
> -Carl
>
>
>
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--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Dante Rosati" <dante.interport@r...> wrote:
> thats funny too: "the manhood". almost as good as powergenetalia.com.

I wonder how Tony Robbin's "Get The Edge!" fits in here.

Ouch.

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@y...> wrote:

/metatuning/topicId_5174.html#5189

> > ***Now to another interesting point that I just found out about
> > today. Are people aware of the fact that circumcision actually
> > reduces sexual pleasure and that the United States is the *only*
> > English speaking country that routinely continues this practice,
> > which is, indeed, a bloody one for the poor babies??
> //
> > http://www.cirp.org/pages/parents/FAQ/
> //
> > http://www.ibiblio.org/stayfree/10/graham.htm
> >
> > That's the long and the short of it...
> >
> > J. Pehrson
>
> See also:
>
> http://www.jkcc.com/manhood/
>
> -Carl

***Circumcision really seems like a ridiculous and barbaric
practice. Just seeing the photo examples of the operation being done
on the website to the poor screaming, bleeding baby is enough for
me...(there's a video, too...)

And, of course, nobody has a vote in the subject at that age but, due
to the masterbatory frenzy, it was done, particularly in Puritanical
America.

And now *provable* science is showing that masturbation is really a
*good* thing... something that monkeys and chimpanzees have known
right along...

J. Pehrson

JP wrote...

> ***Circumcision really seems like a ridiculous and barbaric
> practice. Just seeing the photo examples of the operation
> being done on the website to the poor screaming, bleeding
> baby is enough for me...(there's a video, too...)
>
> And, of course, nobody has a vote in the subject at that
> age but, due to the masterbatory frenzy, it was done,
> particularly in Puritanical America.
>
> And now *provable* science is showing that masturbation is
> really a *good* thing... something that monkeys and
> chimpanzees have known right along...

It's not just the masturbation thing. Many other reasons are
given, throughout history and in many different cultures. It
means that probably none of them are right. The reasoning
was religious, not only for jews but also in Polynesia and
Africa. Religion doesn't jive with modern science, so other
reasons are cooked up. Smegma causes cervical cancer,
"hygene", and other such nonsense.

My guess is that we are in some sense existential beings,
finding ourselves trapped in this body. We strike out at it.
Of all the parts of the body, the penis seems most to, as
Divinci put it, 'have a mind of its own'. It seems perhaps,
the most alien.

-Carl

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@y...> wrote:
> Of all the parts of the body, the penis seems most to, as
> Divinci put it, 'have a mind of its own'.

Is Divinci (just checking: not *Da Vinci*?) one of the producers of "Elimidate" or "Girls Gone Wild"? If not, he was way ahead of his time.

Cheers,
Jon

> Is Divinci (just checking: not *Da Vinci*?)

There's a Divinci? I meant Da Vinci.

-Carl

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@y...> wrote:
> > Is Divinci (just checking: not *Da Vinci*?)
>
> There's a Divinci? I meant Da Vinci.

Cool - any guy who's conversant on dicks and helicopters is ok in my book...

:)

re: circumcision

> From: Carl Lumma [mailto:clumma@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:31 PM
> To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: more good news!
>
>
> It's not just the masturbation thing. Many other reasons are
> given, throughout history and in many different cultures. It
> means that probably none of them are right. The reasoning
> was religious, not only for jews but also in Polynesia and
> Africa. Religion doesn't jive with modern science, so other
> reasons are cooked up. Smegma causes cervical cancer,
> "hygene", and other such nonsense.
>
> My guess is that we are in some sense existential beings,
> finding ourselves trapped in this body. We strike out at it.
> Of all the parts of the body, the penis seems most to, as
> Divinci put it, 'have a mind of its own'. It seems perhaps,
> the most alien.

i realize that this thread was particularly about
male circumcision, but mention of Africa also brings
up female circumcision (removal of the clitoris),
which is done for the express intention of reducing
the woman's pleasure during intercourse in the hope
that it will her reduce her craving for participating
in intercourse.

there are generally religious reasons given during
the actual ritual, but the bottom line:

it seems to have been the African objective for
centuries or millennia now, to allow men to crave
sex as much as they want to, but to keep the women's
desires in check. this probably has a lot to do with
the historically widespread practice of the
one-man-many-wives form of polygamy in Africa.

in the past decade there has been a very broad
movement to eradicate this practice in Africa,
but it still persists in some places to various
degrees.

-monz

> i realize that this thread was particularly about
> male circumcision, but mention of Africa also brings
> up female circumcision (removal of the clitoris),

I don't believe that's correct. Removal of the
clitoris is clitorectomy, trimming the clitoral hood
is circumcision. While without surgical tools the
difference might not be that great, all else being
equal the removal of analagous tissue should have an
analagous effect on sexual pleasure.

> which is done for the express intention

Who cares why they do it? If you operate under a
prime directive, you don't intervene. Otherwise,
you stop it -- there's no argument that it's sick.

But then Africans should lobby to stop routine
circumcision here.

So you see, culture is a blinding device. In our
culture it's ok for babies to be strapped down to
trays and cut to bits, in clear violation of the
Hippocratic oath.

The notion that African practices are somehow more
barbaric than our own is unfounded.

-Carl

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@y...> wrote:
> > i realize that this thread was particularly about
> > male circumcision, but mention of Africa also brings
> > up female circumcision (removal of the clitoris),
>
> I don't believe that's correct. Removal of the
> clitoris is clitorectomy, trimming the clitoral hood
> is circumcision. While without surgical tools the
> difference might not be that great, all else being
> equal the removal of analagous tissue should have an
> analagous effect on sexual pleasure.
>
> > which is done for the express intention
>
> Who cares why they do it? If you operate under a
> prime directive, you don't intervene. Otherwise,
> you stop it -- there's no argument that it's sick.
>
> But then Africans should lobby to stop routine
> circumcision here.
>
> So you see, culture is a blinding device. In our
> culture it's ok for babies to be strapped down to
> trays and cut to bits, in clear violation of the
> Hippocratic oath.
>
> The notion that African practices are somehow more
> barbaric than our own is unfounded.
>
> -Carl

how about nazi culture?

can a distinction be made?

Paul Erlich wrote:

>
> how about nazi culture?
>
>

-- -Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

> how about nazi culture?

That's another good example of unspeakable things
becoming culturably acceptable.

Also, imprisoning people for pocession of cannabis
sativa is quasi-acceptable in our culture.

-Carl

what does your question mean? i meant majoritarian german culture in
the nazi era.

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...>
wrote:
> can a distinction be made?
>
> Paul Erlich wrote:
>
> >
> > how about nazi culture?
> >
> >
>
> -- -Kraig Grady
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> http://www.anaphoria.com
> The Wandering Medicine Show
> KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

Can one assume that nazism could be some parthenogenic culture divorced from
europe in general?
or mankind?

Paul Erlich wrote:

> what does your question mean? i meant majoritarian german culture in
> the nazi era.
>
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...>
> wrote:
> > can a distinction be made?
> >
> > Paul Erlich wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > how about nazi culture?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > -- -Kraig Grady
> > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > http://www.anaphoria.com
> > The Wandering Medicine Show
> > KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST
>
>
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The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, <monz@a...> wrote:

/metatuning/topicId_5174.html#5199

> re: circumcision
>
>
> > From: Carl Lumma [mailto:clumma@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:31 PM
> > To: metatuning@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [metatuning] Re: more good news!
> >
> >
> > It's not just the masturbation thing. Many other reasons are
> > given, throughout history and in many different cultures. It
> > means that probably none of them are right. The reasoning
> > was religious, not only for jews but also in Polynesia and
> > Africa. Religion doesn't jive with modern science, so other
> > reasons are cooked up. Smegma causes cervical cancer,
> > "hygene", and other such nonsense.
> >
> > My guess is that we are in some sense existential beings,
> > finding ourselves trapped in this body. We strike out at it.
> > Of all the parts of the body, the penis seems most to, as
> > Divinci put it, 'have a mind of its own'. It seems perhaps,
> > the most alien.
>
>
>
> i realize that this thread was particularly about
> male circumcision, but mention of Africa also brings
> up female circumcision (removal of the clitoris),
> which is done for the express intention of reducing
> the woman's pleasure during intercourse in the hope
> that it will her reduce her craving for participating
> in intercourse.
>
> there are generally religious reasons given during
> the actual ritual, but the bottom line:
>
> it seems to have been the African objective for
> centuries or millennia now, to allow men to crave
> sex as much as they want to, but to keep the women's
> desires in check. this probably has a lot to do with
> the historically widespread practice of the
> one-man-many-wives form of polygamy in Africa.
>
> in the past decade there has been a very broad
> movement to eradicate this practice in Africa,
> but it still persists in some places to various
> degrees.
>
>
>
> -monz

***Hi Monz,

Yes, there have been several articles about this, particularly in the
New York Times.

The point for me *personally* though, is that this practice happened
to *ME* and I wasn't even particularly aware of it or thinking about
it until the ripe age of 53!

That particular organ was so "off limits" of discussion (tacetly)
when I was growing up that the subject of circumcision was never
discussed.

It would have been nice to have been given the *option* later in life
of having this done. I guess "science" at that time declared it
should be done universally in this country in the interest of hygene.

HOWEVER, after reading some of the articles on the Web (I admit, a
dubious source) I'm beginning to believe that there is more to it
and, possibly, the practice had at least a bit of "hocus pocus"
centered around the mitigation of sexual pleasure and, particularly,
masturbation.

I wonder if any of the male Tuning List participants have *NOT* been
circumcised.

If you care to please raise your ... ahem, well, *hand...*

J. Pehrson

is africa divorced from mankind?

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...>
wrote:
> Can one assume that nazism could be some parthenogenic culture
divorced from
> europe in general?
> or mankind?
>
>
>
>
> Paul Erlich wrote:
>
> > what does your question mean? i meant majoritarian german culture
in
> > the nazi era.
> >
> > --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...>
> > wrote:
> > > can a distinction be made?
> > >
> > > Paul Erlich wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > how about nazi culture?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > -- -Kraig Grady
> > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > > http://www.anaphoria.com
> > > The Wandering Medicine Show
> > > KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST
> >
> >
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> The Wandering Medicine Show
> KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Erlich" <PERLICH@A...> wrote:
> is africa divorced from mankind?

Questions answered by yet more questions - what a pathetic excuse for discourse. Not to mention the near-monthly raising of Nazi issues in relation to just about anything heinous. You'd think Steven Spielberg ("Indiana Jones") or the creators of "Wolfenstein" were the moderator...

why would you waste time asking

Paul Erlich wrote:

> is africa divorced from mankind?
>
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...>
> wrote:
> > Can one assume that nazism could be some parthenogenic culture
> divorced from
> > europe in general?
> > or mankind?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul Erlich wrote:
> >
> > > what does your question mean? i meant majoritarian german culture
> in
> > > the nazi era.
> > >
> > > --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > can a distinction be made?
> > > >
> > > > Paul Erlich wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > how about nazi culture?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- -Kraig Grady
> > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > > > http://www.anaphoria.com
> > > > The Wandering Medicine Show
> > > > KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST
> > >
> > >
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> > -- -Kraig Grady
> > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > http://www.anaphoria.com
> > The Wandering Medicine Show
> > KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST
>
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The Wandering Medicine Show
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--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Erlich" <PERLICH@A...>
wrote:
> > is africa divorced from mankind?
>
> Questions answered by yet more questions - what a pathetic excuse
>for discourse. Not to mention the near-monthly raising of Nazi
>issues in relation to just about anything heinous. You'd think
>Steven Spielberg ("Indiana Jones") or the creators of "Wolfenstein"
>were the moderator...

sorry i brought up the nazi issue, but i felt i needed to test the
limits of carl's cultural relativism.

my grandmother is not doing very well these days, losing touch with
reality and having more and more flashbacks to nazi days (when her
parents were carted off . . .), fearing for her life and ours. small
wonder, really, with swastikas appearing in her building and a
holocaust denier recognized by the world as the new face
of 'palestine'. we're watching her slip away, filled with fright that
she's been carrying, somewhere in there, for over 60 years, so it's
hard to feel that right and wrong are simply nebulous, culturally
defined entities -- this was just *wrong*.

my personal form of cultural relativism, actually multiculturalism,
comes in the form of the various gigs i'm playing -- depending on the
style of music, the audience is mostly white/european, mostly black,
mostly middle eastern (turkish/armenian), mostly latino (the best
audience!), and occasionally mostly asian (with kevin so). this is
one of the great things about cambridge, massachusetts. i hope this
doesn't sound sappy in the sense of "i'd like to buy the world a
coke", but sharing of cultural activities such as music and dance may
be the best way to get disparate communities to come together and get
to know one another, and ultimately lay down the suspicion and fear
that can form the foundation for hatred and violence. i hope to keep
it up, for as long as i possibly can -- and i can't imagine a much
more enjoyable existence!

joy and peace to you all and i'll probably be checking in again when
i get back from the west, on tuesday . . .

>>joy and peace to you all and i'll probably be checking in
>>again when i get back from the west, on tuesday . . .

Nooooo! Just as the harmonic entropy thread finally
happens on tuning-math!

-Carl

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@y...> wrote:
> >>joy and peace to you all and i'll probably be checking in
> >>again when i get back from the west, on tuesday . . .
>
> Nooooo! Just as the harmonic entropy thread finally
> happens on tuning-math!

What a shame he is going to play music. How dare Paul waste his time like that!

Cheers,
Jon

> > Nooooo! Just as the harmonic entropy thread finally
> > happens on tuning-math!
>
> What a shame he is going to play music. How dare Paul
> waste his time like that!

1. As if working on harmonic entropy was a waste of time.
This isn't the sort of thing I'd expect from you, Szanto.

2. Implying that I don't support Paul's gig. Shame on
you. I even tried to go up to see it, but I'm just too
broke to afford the trip. I was merely lamenting the poor
timing of the coincidental events, and obviously in a
tongue-in-cheek way.

-Carl

I am glad to hear you have a use for it

Carl Lumma wrote:

> 1. As if working on harmonic entropy was a waste of time.

-- -Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@y...> wrote:
> I was merely lamenting the poor timing of the coincidental events,
> and obviously in a tongue-in-cheek way.

My reply, or so I thought, was as "obviously" tongue-in-cheek as your comment about Paul's absence. Sorry if it came across as anything other than that!

Cheers,
Jon