Michelle Branch video

I think this is quite good _Are You Happy Now..._

http://launch.yahoo.com/artist/videos.asp?artistID=1078363

Yves Tanguy surrealistic background that *moves!* Starts with an old
Vienna waltz...

Somehow it seems this kind of stuff is more exciting than most of
the "contemporary" or "classical" music around...

We have to work harder, or *smarter* so it seems...

J. Pehrson

Joe,

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> I think this is quite good _Are You Happy Now..._
>
> http://launch.yahoo.com/artist/videos.asp?artistID=1078363
>
> Yves Tanguy surrealistic background that *moves!* Starts with an old
> Vienna waltz...

Are you talking about the presentation more than the song when you say it is "quite good"? (just trying to be clear)

> Somehow it seems this kind of stuff is more exciting than most of
> the "contemporary" or "classical" music around... We have to work
> harder, or *smarter* so it seems...

I don't think it has anything to do with effort or intelligence. I think it has to do with vision and a dropping of 'art' attitudes. There are billions of cool things that fall outside of the "contemporary" or "classical" field, and thank goodness for that.

I'm not sure what you'd say about an Autechre video presentation, or some of the guys doing rave video manipulation, etc.

I'd like to go over to someone's house that has broadband so I can see the video in something other than a postage stamp, pixelized window! Maybe I'm missing something...

Cheers,
Jon

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

/metatuning/topicId_4875.html#4876

> Are you talking about the presentation more than the song when you
say it is "quite good"? (just trying to be clear)
>

***Actually, I think *both* are quite good. The effect on me just
seemed more striking than a lot of "classical contemporary" works I
have heard. Maybe it was just my mood...

> > Somehow it seems this kind of stuff is more exciting than most of
> > the "contemporary" or "classical" music around... We have to work
> > harder, or *smarter* so it seems...
>

> I don't think it has anything to do with effort or intelligence. I
think it has to do with vision and a dropping of 'art' attitudes.
There are billions of cool things that fall outside of
the "contemporary" or "classical" field, and thank goodness for that.
>

***Sure, but your word here is "vision." That goes across *any*
artform.

> I'm not sure what you'd say about an Autechre video presentation,
or some of the guys doing rave video manipulation, etc.
>

***I don't know, but I'd probably like it. Part of the "excitement"
is the combination of the video with the music. There isn't really
much of that in the "classical contemporary" field.

I guess your :) (our) Partch did as much of that as anybody, given
the films. Maybe he'd be into music videos in our current age.
Dunno.

> I'd like to go over to someone's house that has broadband so I can
see the video in something other than a postage stamp, pixelized
window! Maybe I'm missing something...
>

***Sure, comeon' over! 484 W. 43 St., NYC...

JP

hi Jon,

> From: "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@...>
> To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 8:24 PM
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: Michelle Branch video
>
>
> Joe,
>
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> > I think this is quite good _Are You Happy Now..._
> >
> > http://launch.yahoo.com/artist/videos.asp?artistID=1078363
> >
> > Yves Tanguy surrealistic background that *moves!* Starts with an old
> > Vienna waltz...
>
>
> I'd like to go over to someone's house that has broadband
> so I can see the video in something other than a postage
> stamp, pixelized window! Maybe I'm missing something...

so give me a call sometime and let's get together!
(i have DSL) we're long overdue for some hanging-out
anyway. :)

-monz

Joe(s),

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> ***Sure, but your word here is "vision." That goes across *any*
> artform.

Yes, I think that is what I meant. But what is striking about a lot of the non-classical things that are busting boundaries is what is missing: 'art' attitude. They do it because that is where they want to go, not because it is what is expected in school, what will win a grant, what will win a competition, or what will get programmed on a series. They just do it.

I *hasten* to add that most of what I find intriguing and genre-challenging is on the fringe even for non-classical. I fully realize that pretty much any pop performer in the Top 1000 or so is fully locked into the commercial octopus of the music/media conglomerates. But we are at an interesting crossroads, as we approach the collapse of the record companies. There is a possibility that music, and other arts, are going to become very communal and (what is the opposite of a heirarchy?).

> Part of the "excitement"
> is the combination of the video with the music. There isn't really
> much of that in the "classical contemporary" field.

Really? I thought that has been gone over for a couple decades. What about Nam June Paik - I mean, he was screwing with that stuff before video was even around!

But I get where you are coming from: in general, it isn't as common as either concert music or music-drama (theatre pieces) that we find programmed.

How about this: I just got a call from Steve Schick, percussionist, in Paris. He started a percussion program at a new institute in Geneva a while back, populated by the best percs in Europe. They are in Paris for a festival, and their particular presentation is a number of performances based around the percussion music of Xennakis in conjunction with a circus!

Steve is amazing, truly a one-of-a-kind world class performer, and he will make any vehicle for comminicating work; I'm sure this one will be no exception.

> ***Sure, comeon' over! 484 W. 43 St., NYC...

Monz has offered locally too. I'll see how it all pans out. I have to be careful, because if I ever *do* get broadband I'd be listening to global radio stations all day long, and never get anything done!

Cheers,
Jon

hi Jon,

> From: "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@...>
> To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 4:22 PM
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: Michelle Branch video
>
>
> <snip>
>
> I have to be careful, because if I ever *do* get
> broadband I'd be listening to global radio stations
> all day long, and never get anything done!

you might not have to worry about that.

i just found out last night that my favorite
internet radio station (Mahler Mania: all Mahler
all the time) now charges a fee.

the wave of the future, i'm sure.

-monz

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

/metatuning/topicId_4875.html#4879

> Joe(s),
>
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
wrote:
> > ***Sure, but your word here is "vision." That goes across *any*
> > artform.
>
> Yes, I think that is what I meant. But what is striking about a lot
of the non-classical things that are busting boundaries is what is
missing: 'art' attitude. They do it because that is where they want
to go, not because it is what is expected in school, what will win a
grant, what will win a competition, or what will get programmed on a
series. They just do it.

***Got it. I see where you're going with this. It would make sense
that this would be part of the reason for the "directness" and
effect...

> > Part of the "excitement"
> > is the combination of the video with the music. There isn't
really much of that in the "classical contemporary" field.
>
> Really? I thought that has been gone over for a couple decades.
What about Nam June Paik - I mean, he was screwing with that stuff
before video was even around!

***Well, sure. I've seen his videos, in fact the *big one* at the
Guggenheim. However, this is hardly what I would call "music
video..." In most of his stuff the video and music run independently
of one another. He uses Cage a lot, too, as I'm certain you're
aware...

>
> But I get where you are coming from: in general, it isn't as common
as either concert music or music-drama (theatre pieces) that we find
programmed.

***I guess what I'm trying to say is that although I would know
*nothing* about producing a video in conjunction with my music, the
*music video* genre is *incredibly* engaging! I can see why it's so
popular... and I wish there was more "contemporary classical" (or
whatever) that had *visuals* with the music...

>
> How about this: I just got a call from Steve Schick, percussionist,
in Paris. He started a percussion program at a new institute in
Geneva a while back, populated by the best percs in Europe. They are
in Paris for a festival, and their particular presentation is a
number of performances based around the percussion music of Xennakis
in conjunction with a circus!
>

***Sure, I've heard of him, of course. And, yes, Stravinsky tried
this too, as I'm sure you know. Worked quite well, in fact, as the
story goes...

> Monz has offered locally too. I'll see how it all pans out. I have
to be careful, because if I ever *do* get broadband I'd be listening
to global radio stations all day long, and never get anything done!
>
***Well, "Spinner" (now Netscape) has a contemporary music station
that plays new stuff 24 hours. That sure beats the local "classical"
radio stations around New York, where there is very little new music,
especially during the daytime...

best,

Joe

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>

/metatuning/topicId_4875.html#4881

***Come to think of it, I guess Bill Alves is pretty much doing the
equivalent of "music video" in the so-called "art music" realm.
There are others, too, Reynold Weidenaar here in New York but the
genre is *nowhere* as prevalent as in pop music.

How many pop music stars do *not* have videos? Probably none, yes?
Of course they have production machines behind them to generate these
things, and I'm sure they are expensive to produce...

J. Pehrson

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
wrote:
> I think this is quite good _Are You Happy Now..._
>
> http://launch.yahoo.com/artist/videos.asp?artistID=1078363
>
> Yves Tanguy surrealistic background that *moves!* Starts with an
old
> Vienna waltz...
>
> Somehow it seems this kind of stuff is more exciting

maybe you haven't heard this kind of stuff before as much as i have.

yawn!

i have a feeling you'll be as bored with it as i am after a few
listens. at least good old classical music has far more layers of
interest that keep you coming back for more and more listens. not as
sure about the "contemporary classical" scene -- sounds like an
oxymoron anyway! i go to campfires and the kids are still singing
beatles, doors, janis joplin, and all that other stuff from the
sixties -- maybe that's really the "classic" music that will be
remembered from the 20th century . . .

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

> I *hasten* to add that most of what I find intriguing and genre-
>challenging is on the fringe even for non-classical.

speaking of which, did you ever check out that recording by The
Fringe? what did you think? many of their performances would have
been completely on-topic for a microtonal list, by the way. george
garzone must have picked up a few things from joe maneri over at nec!

>I fully realize >that pretty much any pop performer in the Top 1000
>or so is fully >locked into the commercial octopus of the
>music/media conglomerates.

"pretty much", but there are exceptions.

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
wrote:
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...>
wrote:
>
> /metatuning/topicId_4875.html#4879
>
> > Joe(s),
> >
> > --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson"
<jpehrson@r...>
> wrote:
> > > ***Sure, but your word here is "vision." That goes across
*any*
> > > artform.
> >
> > Yes, I think that is what I meant. But what is striking about a
lot
> of the non-classical things that are busting boundaries is what is
> missing: 'art' attitude. They do it because that is where they want
> to go, not because it is what is expected in school, what will win
a
> grant, what will win a competition, or what will get programmed on
a
> series. They just do it.
>
> ***Got it. I see where you're going with this. It would make
sense
> that this would be part of the reason for the "directness" and
> effect...

oh please. the producers of that video and song did what will make
money, what will make money, and what will make money. not that
there's anything wrong with that . . .

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Erlich" <PERLICH@A...> wrote:
> speaking of which, did you ever check out that recording by The
> Fringe?

Hey, thanks for the reminder! I had it on order from amazon, but something didn't work out in their order and I didn't get it. I'm making up a list to place another order, and I'll make sure I add that again to the cart.

Sorry for not tracking it down last time...

> "pretty much", but there are exceptions.

There are *always* exceptions. They are just harder to find.

Cheers,
Jon

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Erlich" <PERLICH@A...> wrote:

/metatuning/topicId_4875.html#4884

> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
> wrote:
> > I think this is quite good _Are You Happy Now..._
> >
> > http://launch.yahoo.com/artist/videos.asp?artistID=1078363
> >
> > Yves Tanguy surrealistic background that *moves!* Starts with an
> old
> > Vienna waltz...
> >
> > Somehow it seems this kind of stuff is more exciting
>
> maybe you haven't heard this kind of stuff before as much as i have.
>
> yawn!
>
> i have a feeling you'll be as bored with it as i am after a few
> listens. at least good old classical music has far more layers of
> interest that keep you coming back for more and more listens. not
as
> sure about the "contemporary classical" scene -- sounds like an
> oxymoron anyway! i go to campfires and the kids are still singing
> beatles, doors, janis joplin, and all that other stuff from the
> sixties -- maybe that's really the "classic" music that will be
> remembered from the 20th century . . .

***I suppose it's newer to me than it "should" be. Good point!

JP