Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup metatuning nylon string guitar with distortion?

a nylon string guitar w/transducer plugged into an electric guitar amp with
gain/overdrive sounds very similar to an electric guitar.

Dante

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Pehrson [mailto:jpehrson@...]
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>
> What would a "classical" nylon string guitar sound like with
> distortion?? Anybody heard this? Is it a *lot* different in sound
> from a "regular" electric guitar?? I know they make some of these.
> Probably the electric part is used mostly for amplification in
> ensemble work.
>
> But have people tried to *distort* the amplified classical guitar
> sound? I imagine they have. Anybody hear this??
>
> Thanks!
>
> J. Pehrson
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--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
wrote:
> What would a "classical" nylon string guitar sound like with
> distortion?? Anybody heard this? Is it a *lot* different in sound
> from a "regular" electric guitar?? I know they make some of these.

> Probably the electric part is used mostly for amplification in
> ensemble work.
>
> But have people tried to *distort* the amplified classical guitar
> sound? I imagine they have. Anybody hear this??
>
> Thanks!
>
> J. Pehrson

my experiments on these lines have yielded less than satisfying
sounds. nylon strings are more inharmonic and have less sustain; a
magnetic pickup (as you'll find on normal electric guitars) focuses
on a single part of the string and yields the clearest tone,
especially on chords, through distortion.

🔗Afmmjr@...

Recently, I've been working with guitarist Harris Becker on my solo Possessed
(preparing for Tuesday's Microtonal Guitar concert).

Since he uses nylon strings we have determined:
1. the vibrato must be very fast by very tight. Tight is meant as in less
pitch distance for oscillating.
2. strings must retain their parallel relationship to each other. Guitarists
regularly bend strings out of their parallel track in order to accomplish
some technical feat. However, I had to be strict about this so that Harris
is reaaaallllly self-conscious about this. Only now can he hear the
difference. But it is dawning that the technique involved is unique due to
the unique aspect of the tuning (polymicrotonal).

Maybe I'll hear the piece someday on a steel string.

best, Johnny Reinhard

🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

🔗Afmmjr@...

In a message dated 4/21/03 4:15:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wallyesterpaulrus@... writes:

> is this a fretless nylon string guitar?
>
>
>

No, but there is no ET in the piece, except for some quartertonal elements,
and these, in a bridge-like motif.

Open strings: E -149, A-220 (same), D -114, G -31, B +4, and E -149.

Once I deduced lots of pitch possibilities, by basically avoiding any 2
consecutive notes on a single string, the piece is molto-microtonalismo.

Anyway, it is like a precious jewel box of sounds when fully possessed.

best, Johnny Reinhard

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"

/metatuning/topicId_4655.html#4675

<wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
> wrote:
> > What would a "classical" nylon string guitar sound like with
> > distortion?? Anybody heard this? Is it a *lot* different in
sound
> > from a "regular" electric guitar?? I know they make some of
these.
>
> > Probably the electric part is used mostly for amplification in
> > ensemble work.
> >
> > But have people tried to *distort* the amplified classical guitar
> > sound? I imagine they have. Anybody hear this??
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > J. Pehrson
>
> my experiments on these lines have yielded less than satisfying
> sounds. nylon strings are more inharmonic and have less sustain; a
> magnetic pickup (as you'll find on normal electric guitars) focuses
> on a single part of the string and yields the clearest tone,
> especially on chords, through distortion.

***Thanks, Paul, for that tip. Actually, that might be a dumb way to
go, anyway, since chances are an electric guitar player who would be
playing my piece wouldn't have an acoustic with a transducer to begin
with! And, the idea is to write something in the score that
somebody, conceivably, could play.

I guess that could also be a limitation with "multieffects..." Some
people might have the gear; some might not...

Maybe I'm just a well off just writing "major distortion", "slight
distortion," etc., etc. and leaving it at that... ?? to the
discretion (hopefully) of the guitarist... ??

🔗David Beardsley <db@...>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@...>

> ***Thanks, Paul, for that tip. Actually, that might be a dumb way to
> go, anyway, since chances are an electric guitar player who would be
> playing my piece wouldn't have an acoustic with a transducer to begin
> with!

Acoustic guitars with pizeo transducers are very common these days.
I've got one.

>And, the idea is to write something in the score that
> somebody, conceivably, could play.
>
> I guess that could also be a limitation with "multieffects..." Some
> people might have the gear; some might not...
>
> Maybe I'm just a well off just writing "major distortion", "slight
> distortion," etc., etc. and leaving it at that... ?? to the
> discretion (hopefully) of the guitarist... ??

You could. Another variable I didn't think to mention is
how electric guitars differ in construction - scale length,
type of wood, how the neck is attached to the body,
the type of pickup...and so on. These factors make
the guitars sound very different.

A Fender Stratocaster, a Fender Telecaster, a Gibson Les Paul
or a Gibson ES-175 - all sound very different. Lot's
of types of guitars out there.

I think your best bet is to get familiar with the sound of
the electric guitar on recordings (which maybe be far more expensive
than getting a decent guitar and amp). You can then ask
the guitar player to sound like Jeff Beck on Scatterbrain or
Jimmy Hendrix on Third Stone From The Sun. Whip out
a CD and say "this sounds good". I don't think this is uncommon
in the session world of commercials and film/TV scores.
In your case, you're just looking for the tone, not
that style of music.

I think this is important, there's many times where I've heard
an electric guitar with a "new" music ensemble that sounded
horrible.

* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley <db@b...> wrote:

/metatuning/topicId_4655.html#4686

> I think your best bet is to get familiar with the sound of
> the electric guitar on recordings (which maybe be far more expensive
> than getting a decent guitar and amp). You can then ask
> the guitar player to sound like Jeff Beck on Scatterbrain or
> Jimmy Hendrix on Third Stone From The Sun. Whip out
> a CD and say "this sounds good". I don't think this is uncommon
> in the session world of commercials and film/TV scores.
> In your case, you're just looking for the tone, not
> that style of music.
>
> I think this is important, there's many times where I've heard
> an electric guitar with a "new" music ensemble that sounded
> horrible.
>

***Hi David,

The more I'm thinking about this, this really makes a lot of sense.
There are just too many variables in the different kinds of tone and
distortion... Better to use a recording. In fact, my co-director of
our group even did that with *drums...* He wanted a Stan Kenton
style of playing for drum set... No other way to do it...

J. Pehrson

🔗Graham Breed <graham@...>

Joseph Pehrson wrote:

> The more I'm thinking about this, this really makes a lot of sense. > There are just too many variables in the different kinds of tone and > distortion... Better to use a recording. In fact, my co-director of > our group even did that with *drums...* He wanted a Stan Kenton > style of playing for drum set... No other way to do it...

Well, yes, you could do that, but I can foresee several problems:

- You can only specify sounds that somebody else has made. Wasn't the idea to explore the possibilities?

- Most of the examples are going to be lead lines from rock or pop music. Especially with the distorted sounds you get in heavy rock, they might not sit well with the rest of your orchestration. It'd be a good idea to get some idea of the balance with your MIDI mock up.

- How do know you aren't asking the guitarist to switch between two different sounds that would require a load of settings to be changed in a split second, or even a change of guitars?

- You might be asking for a sound that requires feedback, which means the guitar will have to be turned up way too loud to blend with acoustic instruments. BTW, the main problem I've heard with electronics in classical music is that they turn the amplifiers up too loud.

- Somewhat less likely, but you could be asking a guitarist to imitate a keyboard line.

I can see why you'd get frightened by some of the perfectionist talk that's been going on here. Let's bring it back to first principles:

1) You need a guitar. You can get an electric one for around $100. Get a clone of either a Stratocaster or a Les Paul. You could try them out to see which you prefer, or ask your intended guitarist which they use, or go for whatever's cheaper. A random guitarist is far more likely to be able to imitate one of these models than a nylon guitar with a transducer.

2) You need some effects. The cheapest Zoom box should be fine for your purposes, and is probably less than $100. Maybe get an expression pedal as well (perhaps you already have one for keyboards, although they aren't quite interchangeable). The basic effects are fairly standard -- distortion, compression, reverb, chorus. So you can say "mild blues distortion with a limiter and a flanger" and a guitarist should have some idea what you're talking about. And they'll go away and produce a better sound than you ever imagined ;)

There you go -- a wannabe guitarist kit for about the cost of 10 CDs. You don't need to worry about how good it sounds because the frets will be in the wrong places anyway. But you can get some idea of how guitar chords are constructed and what unconventional things it's possible to do. I think that would be valuable if you're going to write for a guitar, because guitars are very different to keyboards. Ideally, you'd work closely with a guitarist during composition. I believe there to be very good reasons why the best music for electric guitar is written (or improvised) by expert guitarists rather than generalist composers.

Remember, I'm cluesless as a guitarist so you might not want to take what I say too seriously. But then again, I'm only a few steps ahead of you, so perhaps I can empathise more easily.

The work of learning to play and trying all the effects will probably be more significant than the expense. You'll have to decide how serious you are. If you're only interested in distortion, why not get a Pod and play your keyboards through it? That should give good enough results to use in your electronic pieces. Or you can borrow an amplifier for the recording if you have a guitar god crisis.

Oh, and another thing ... I play a solid body guitar without a pick, and it isn't really a problem. So you can ask for that if it's the sound you want. Don't assume you need nylon strings until you've tried an electric with the right settings.

Graham

🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
wrote:
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
>
> /metatuning/topicId_4655.html#4675
>
> <wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> > --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson"
<jpehrson@r...>
> > wrote:
> > > What would a "classical" nylon string guitar sound like with
> > > distortion?? Anybody heard this? Is it a *lot* different in
> sound
> > > from a "regular" electric guitar?? I know they make some of
> these.
> >
> > > Probably the electric part is used mostly for amplification in
> > > ensemble work.
> > >
> > > But have people tried to *distort* the amplified classical
guitar
> > > sound? I imagine they have. Anybody hear this??
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > J. Pehrson
> >
> > my experiments on these lines have yielded less than satisfying
> > sounds. nylon strings are more inharmonic and have less sustain;
a
> > magnetic pickup (as you'll find on normal electric guitars)
focuses
> > on a single part of the string and yields the clearest tone,
> > especially on chords, through distortion.
>
>
> ***Thanks, Paul, for that tip. Actually, that might be a dumb way
to
> go, anyway, since chances are an electric guitar player who would
be
> playing my piece wouldn't have an acoustic with a transducer to
begin
> with! And, the idea is to write something in the score that
> somebody, conceivably, could play.
>
> I guess that could also be a limitation with "multieffects..."
Some
> people might have the gear; some might not...
>
> Maybe I'm just a well off just writing "major distortion", "slight
> distortion," etc., etc. and leaving it at that... ?? to the
> discretion (hopefully) of the guitarist... ??
>
> Tx
>
> JP

is this going to be a microtonal piece? few things sound more
powerful than in-tune otonal chords on a distorted guitar. you could
notate for standard-fretted guitar with 72-equal -- each note is bent
*up* from the nearest lower fret -- and get all kinds of convincing
just sonorities if the guitarist knows what to listen for. distortion
actually makes this a lot easier, at least for otonalities.

🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Graham Breed <graham@m...> wrote:
> Joseph Pehrson wrote:

> 1) You need a guitar. You can get an electric one for around
$100. Get
> a clone of either a Stratocaster or a Les Paul. You could try them
out
> to see which you prefer,

such clones sound so little like their models that this would useless
as a basis for such a decision. listen to some les paul players
(santana, mclaughlin, duane allman, early clapton, fripp, later jimmy
page, randy rhoads) and some strat players (later clapton, buddy guy,
srv, yngwie, most hendrix, knopfler, blackmore, dick dale, dave
gilmour) -- these are still the two basic solidbody electric guitar
choices after all these years.

> You don't need to worry about how good it sounds because the frets
will
> be in the wrong places anyway.

they will?

>If you're only interested in distortion, why not get a Pod and
> play your keyboards through it?

almost all keyboard/distortion combinations i've tried sound
horrible. especially in 12-equal.

> Oh, and another thing ... I play a solid body guitar without a
pick, and
> it isn't really a problem.

so does wes montgomery -- he just uses his thumb for everything, and
is one of the two or three all-time virtuosos of jazz guitar!

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Graham Breed <graham@m...> wrote:

/metatuning/topicId_4655.html#4694
>
> 1) You need a guitar. You can get an electric one for around
$100. Get a clone of either a Stratocaster or a Les Paul. You
could try them out to see which you prefer, or ask your intended
guitarist which they use, or go for whatever's cheaper. A random
guitarist is far more likely to be able to imitate one of these
models than a nylon guitar with a transducer.
>
> 2) You need some effects. The cheapest Zoom box should be fine for
your purposes, and is probably less than $100. Maybe get an
expression pedal as well (perhaps you already have one for keyboards,
although they aren't quite interchangeable). The basic effects are
fairly standard -- distortion, compression, reverb, chorus. So you
can say "mild blues distortion with a limiter and a flanger" and a
guitarist should have some idea what you're talking about. And
they'll go away and produce a better sound than you ever imagined ;)
>

***Hi Graham,

Thanks for the continuing help. Actually, after more reflection on
this, I'm headed more for a "Squier Affinity Strat" (only $150) and a
Zoom 505II multieffect box... It looks as though foot switches are
part of it... Not the greatest gear, but it will get me started with
the experiments I'm after, and give me some ideas, I believe, at a
reasonable investment... (??)

Joseph

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"

/metatuning/topicId_4655.html#4697

>
> is this going to be a microtonal piece? few things sound more
> powerful than in-tune otonal chords on a distorted guitar. you
could notate for standard-fretted guitar with 72-equal -- each note
is bent *up* from the nearest lower fret -- and get all kinds of
convincing just sonorities if the guitarist knows what to listen for.
distortion actually makes this a lot easier, at least for otonalities.

***Well, this is really interesting, Paul. You mean that an electric
guitarist can bend up 1/6 of a tone and 1/12 of a tone up without any
problems on a standard guitar??

tx,

🔗Graham Breed <graham@...>

Joseph Pehrson wrote:

> Thanks for the continuing help. Actually, after more reflection on > this, I'm headed more for a "Squier Affinity Strat" (only $150) and a > Zoom 505II multieffect box... It looks as though foot switches are > part of it... Not the greatest gear, but it will get me started with > the experiments I'm after, and give me some ideas, I believe, at a > reasonable investment... (??)

I think so, but then everybody else seems to think that $300 isn't very much for a guitar, so I'm somewhat in the minority.

I've checked the website for that 505II. It has some new features, like new distortion types (including a clean tube emulation which looks interesting) and a ring modulator, one of the big things missing in the original 505. It's still running at 31.25 kHz though, so it won't give CD quality (44.1 kHz) output. And you'll get a thin sound with high distortion. But it's great for experimenting.

There are two foot switches built in that you can use for changing patches. But it also takes an expression pedal. I mostly used that for controlling the wah cutoff, which can give a good effect with distortion. I might even have done that on an MP3. And with this model you can control the ring modulation as well.

Graham

🔗Graham Breed <graham@...>

wallyesterpaulrus wrote:

> such clones sound so little like their models that this would useless > as a basis for such a decision. listen to some les paul players > (santana, mclaughlin, duane allman, early clapton, fripp, later jimmy > page, randy rhoads) and some strat players (later clapton, buddy guy, > srv, yngwie, most hendrix, knopfler, blackmore, dick dale, dave > gilmour) -- these are still the two basic solidbody electric guitar > choices after all these years.

Dick Dale you say? Here's a picture:

http://www.dickdale.com/images/ddvintage2.jpg

He's playing close to the bridge, and you can see he's got only the bridge pickup enabled. That's the same way I get a jangly sound on my Encore so it must sound something like the real thing.

To get a soukous sound, I use the other pickups and play the high sounding frets. I had to work this out by ear because pictures of soukous guitarists in action are hard to find. But I saw Kanda Bongo Man recently, and pushed my way close enough to the lead guitarist to verify that he had his genuine Squier set up the same way. Score 2 for copies giving you roughly the same sound.

Les Pauls are substantially different -- they have the pickups in different places to a Strat, and so instuctions for one won't work for the other. And certainly there are a lot of people still using them. So if you're that kind of person you probably want to stick with that design, even if it's only a copy.

>>You don't need to worry about how good it sounds because the frets > will >>be in the wrong places anyway.
> > they will?

Yes, a cheap guitar will come in 12-equal, and I assume Joseph's intending it for microtonal work.

Graham

🔗David Beardsley <db@...>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Breed" <graham@...>

> - Most of the examples are going to be lead lines from rock or pop
> music. Especially with the distorted sounds you get in heavy rock, they
> might not sit well with the rest of your orchestration. It'd be a good
> idea to get some idea of the balance with your MIDI mock up.
>
> - You might be asking for a sound that requires feedback, which means
> the guitar will have to be turned up way too loud to blend with acoustic
> instruments. BTW, the main problem I've heard with electronics in
> classical music is that they turn the amplifiers up too loud.

There are ways to keep that volume down and still get a good tone:

http://thdelectronics.com/products/hotplate.htm

* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

🔗David Beardsley <db@...>

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Pehrson

> Actually, after more reflection on
>this, I'm headed more for a "Squier Affinity Strat" (only $150) and a
>Zoom 505II multieffect box... It looks as though foot switches are
>part of it... Not the greatest gear, but it will get me started with
>the experiments I'm after, and give me some ideas, I believe, at a
>reasonable investment... (??)

You might also want to get a Pod.

* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

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--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson" <jpehrson@r...>
wrote:
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
>
> /metatuning/topicId_4655.html#4697
>
> >
> > is this going to be a microtonal piece? few things sound more
> > powerful than in-tune otonal chords on a distorted guitar. you
> could notate for standard-fretted guitar with 72-equal -- each note
> is bent *up* from the nearest lower fret -- and get all kinds of
> convincing just sonorities if the guitarist knows what to listen
for.
> distortion actually makes this a lot easier, at least for
otonalities.
>
> ***Well, this is really interesting, Paul. You mean that an
electric
> guitarist can bend up 1/6 of a tone and 1/12 of a tone up without
any
> problems on a standard guitar??
>
> tx,
>
> JP

it takes practice, and if there are a lot of notes in the chord all
being bent different amounts it can be very difficult, but yes. i can
demonstrate this to you next time i'm in new york, if you have your
guitar and distortion unit by then.

🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley <db@b...> wrote:

> There are ways to keep that volume down and still get a good tone:
>
> http://thdelectronics.com/products/hotplate.htm

was this inspired by eddie van halen's use of a variac, or light
switch dimmer, as a "power soak" for this purpose? sounds like a good
development -- i've heard of people doing major damage to their homes
and to themselves by trying to hook up their guitar amps to the
actual light dimmers on their walls! when i was a kid, i used to run
an ampeg tube amp on full blast but with the output fed into my
computer/tv monitor (with volume turned way down) instead of the
ampeg's speaker. so i got great distortion at low volume -- but my
computer and tv started sounding worse and worse (no doubt due to the
damage i had done).

🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

🔗Mats Öljare <oljare@...>

🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Mats Öljare <oljare@h...> wrote:
>
> > development -- i've heard of people doing major damage to their
> homes
> > and to themselves by trying to hook up their guitar amps to the
> > actual light dimmers on their walls! when i was a kid, i used to
> run
> > an ampeg tube amp on full blast but with the output fed into my
> > computer/tv monitor (with volume turned way down) instead of the
> > ampeg's speaker. so i got great distortion at low volume -- but
my
>
> What do you mean that you were doing? I never heard of anything
like
> it. Do you mean you were using the cathode ray tube to produce
sound,
> or the speakers? /Ö

the speakers, and whatever transistor amp resided within the monitor.
i just plugged the output of the tube amp into the "audio in" jack of
the monitor, and turned the volume on the monitor way down. the sound
was coming entirely out of the monitor's speakers, and was not too
loud, and did not appear to have any clipping or transistor
distortion -- just the warm tube distortion of the ampeg on max.

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Graham Breed <graham@m...> wrote:

/metatuning/topicId_4655.html#4706

>
> I think so, but then everybody else seems to think that $300 isn't
very much for a guitar, so I'm somewhat in the minority.
>

***Hi Graham,

Well, I'm a bit loath to spend more for an electric guitar than I did
for my classical acoustic, and I only spent $150 for that! It's
adequate for my present technique... Probably I would buy a more
expensive *acoustic* if I had the money, hence an inexpensive
electric for now...

> I've checked the website for that 505II. It has some new features,
like new distortion types (including a clean tube emulation which
looks interesting) and a ring modulator, one of the big things
missing in the original 505. It's still running at 31.25 kHz though,
so it won't give CD quality (44.1 kHz) output.

***But, of course, a .wav file could be *recorded* at that, yes? It
just wouldn't be quite up to the fidelity...

And you'll get a thin sound with high
> distortion. But it's great for experimenting.
>
> There are two foot switches built in that you can use for changing
> patches. But it also takes an expression pedal.

***Oh... I'll have to ask about that...

I mostly used that for
> controlling the wah cutoff, which can give a good effect with
> distortion. I might even have done that on an MP3. And with this
model you can control the ring modulation as well.
>
>

***This all should be quite interesting to me...

Thanks!

Joseph

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"

/metatuning/topicId_4655.html#4714

<wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Graham Breed <graham@m...> wrote:
>
> > >>You don't need to worry about how good it sounds because the
> frets
> > > will
> > >>be in the wrong places anyway.
> > >
> > > they will?
> >
> > Yes, a cheap guitar will come in 12-equal, and I assume Joseph's
> > intending it for microtonal work.
>
> i assume otherwise -- i think joseph would have mentioned if he
> intended an alternately-fretted guitar. i did suggest bending for
> microtones to him just now, and he seems interested . . .

***Yes, of course I'm interested in microtonal work, but still can't
even play a *regular* guitar, and know virtually *nothing* about
guitar distortion. So, I'm rather taking things a "step at a
time..." Glad to know the bending possibilities are so flexible...

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"

/metatuning/topicId_4655.html#4716

<wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley <db@b...> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joseph Pehrson
> >
> > > Actually, after more reflection on
> > >this, I'm headed more for a "Squier Affinity Strat" (only $150)
> and a
> > >Zoom 505II multieffect box... It looks as though foot switches
are
> > >part of it... Not the greatest gear, but it will get me started
> with
> > >the experiments I'm after, and give me some ideas, I believe, at
a
> > >reasonable investment... (??)
> >
> > You might want to get a Pod to make too.
>
> didn't you just curse me and call me deaf for suggesting the pod?

***I think David's "pulling our leg" here... I believe he's a "Tele-
tubbie" and doesn't care for solid state...

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"

/metatuning/topicId_4655.html#4718

<wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley <db@b...> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joseph Pehrson
> >
> > > Actually, after more reflection on
> > >this, I'm headed more for a "Squier Affinity Strat" (only $150)
> and a
> > >Zoom 505II multieffect box... It looks as though foot switches
are
> > >part of it... Not the greatest gear, but it will get me started
> with
> > >the experiments I'm after, and give me some ideas, I believe, at
a
> > >reasonable investment... (??)
> >
> > You might also want to get a Pod.
>
> blashphemy!! seriously, joseph, check out those harmony central
> reviews, a lot of them pertain to your particular situation, which
is
> where the pod shines above any other non-tube, non-cabinet unit.

***Yes, I read some of these, and obviously some people really dig
it. Well, I had *no* idea there was such a culture of electric
guitar sound, so I learn something new all the time...

🔗Graham Breed <graham@...>

wallyesterpaulrus wrote:

> was this inspired by eddie van halen's use of a variac, or light > switch dimmer, as a "power soak" for this purpose? sounds like a good > development -- i've heard of people doing major damage to their homes > and to themselves by trying to hook up their guitar amps to the > actual light dimmers on their walls! when i was a kid, i used to run > an ampeg tube amp on full blast but with the output fed into my > computer/tv monitor (with volume turned way down) instead of the > ampeg's speaker. so i got great distortion at low volume -- but my > computer and tv started sounding worse and worse (no doubt due to the > damage i had done).

Well, nice to hear it worked anyway. But wouldn't it have been easier and safer to use a DI box?

Graham

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--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Graham Breed <graham@m...> wrote:
> wallyesterpaulrus wrote:
>
> > was this inspired by eddie van halen's use of a variac, or light
> > switch dimmer, as a "power soak" for this purpose? sounds like a
good
> > development -- i've heard of people doing major damage to their
homes
> > and to themselves by trying to hook up their guitar amps to the
> > actual light dimmers on their walls! when i was a kid, i used to
run
> > an ampeg tube amp on full blast but with the output fed into my
> > computer/tv monitor (with volume turned way down) instead of the
> > ampeg's speaker. so i got great distortion at low volume -- but
my
> > computer and tv started sounding worse and worse (no doubt due to
the
> > damage i had done).
>
> Well, nice to hear it worked anyway. But wouldn't it have been
easier
> and safer to use a DI box?
>
>
> Graham

you mean between the amp and the monitor? i doubt it . . . i thought
di boxes were for plugging a guitar directly into a PA (well the
guitar goes in between) in order to get proper impedance matching. am
i missing something?

🔗Graham Breed <graham@...>

🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, Graham Breed <graham@m...> wrote:
> wallyesterpaulrus wrote:
>
> > you mean between the amp and the monitor? i doubt it . . . i
thought
> > di boxes were for plugging a guitar directly into a PA (well the
> > guitar goes in between) in order to get proper impedance
matching. am
> > i missing something?
>
> They're for plugging untamed inputs into mixers, and are fairly
> flexible. I've got a 40 dB attenuator built into mine, which must
be
> for working with a superfluous preamp. It does lower the impedance
(to
> 600 Ohms) as well, but I don't see that would be a problem. It's
got an
> unbalanced output, so it should work with anything expecting a line
input.
>
> Graham

interesting. the attenuator is clearly what would have helped me, but
i'm not sure 40 dB would have been enough in this case . . .

🔗db@...

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From: Joseph Pehrson jpehrson@...

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--- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus" 
 
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href="/metatuning/topicId_4655.html#4716">http://groups.y
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<wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote: 
> --- In metatuning@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley <db@b...> wrote: 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Joseph Pehrson 
> > 
> > > Actually, after more reflection on 
> > >this, I'm headed more for a "Squier Affinity Strat" (only $150) 
> and a 
> > >Zoom 505II multieffect box... It looks as though foot switches 
are 
> > >part of it... Not the greatest gear, but it will get me started 
> with 
> > >the experiments I'm after, and give me some ideas, I believe, at 
a 
> > >reasonable investment... (??) 
> > 
> > You might want to get a Pod to make too. 
> 
> didn't you just curse me and call me deaf for suggesting the pod? 
 
 
***I think David's "pulling our leg" here... I believe he's a "Tele- 
tubbie" and doesn't care for solid state... 

dat's right. at least not in the amp.

dB 
from sunny Hollywood ;)

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