The Children's Club

This is rather amazing. If true, it goes to explain
some things.

http://www.wtvt.com/investreptr/jihad.html

> The Children's Club

> FOX13 Investigative Reporter Glenn Selig

> It¹s a show that won't make the Saturday morning lineup on
> any American network. But it has had a prominent slot on
> Palestinian TV. The program lacks the same slick production
> value of an American children's show, but it's just as
> influential. It's called The Children's Club.

> It comes complete with puppet shows, games, songs and a very
> chilling message about becoming a suicide bomber. A little
> girl sings in Arabic about her ultimate ambition in life.

> (Song Translation) ³Oh sing my sister constantly about my
> life as a suicide warrior.²

> Another girl screams about preparing to die.

> Teaching to hate

> (Song Translation) ³I foresee my death, but I march quickly.
> Am I afraid? Life has little value because I'm returning to
> my lord and my people will know I am a hero.²

> That message is repeated again and again in song and verse.

> (Song Translation) ³I will come at the time of drought with
> my best efforts bring a machine gun, violence anger, anger,
> anger...²

> The children, most of them elementary school age, shout a
> message of violence.

> ³I will return with the dawn of tomorrow. It is my conviction
> of launch a jihad.²

> [Girl shouting a message of violence]

> (Song Translation) ³When I wander into Jerusalem, I'll turn
> into a suicide warrior in battle dress, in battle dress, in
> battle dress.²

> A teacher cheers them on, ³Bravo, bravo, bravo.²

> If you're like most Americans, you had no idea that the show
> existed, but the Children's Club is no secret to Israelis.

> ³I am still shocked every time I see it,² says Hela
> Crown-Tamir who lived in Israel for 19 years.

> ³Imagine a teacher telling them bravo, "Crown-Tamir says,
> "because they're going to grow up to be a militant Islamic
> suicide bomber.²

> Crown-Tamir moved back to The Tampa Bay area to escape the
> violence that ruined her travel business. She says Americans
> are just now waking up to the realities Israelis have been
> facing for years, that children are trained as suicide
> bombers. Because it's so dramatic, some Israeli groups have
> used excerpts from The Children's Club to produce a campaign
> against Palestinian leader Yassir Arafat.

> But are Palestinian children really educated this way? Or is
> this just an Israeli propaganda tool? We contacted several
> Islamic groups in the Tampa Bay area, but no one from any of
> those organizations would even agree to watch the tape.

> But University of South Florida professor Abdelwahab Hachiche
> did agree to watch it.

> ³I always keep a reasonable degree of skepticism about
> anything I see or anything I read.²

> Hachiche is an internationally recognized expert on Mideast
> terrorism. He's also an Arab and a Moslem. Until we gave him
> the tape, he'd never heard of the show. And while he says he
> has no idea who produced it, he says the translations are
> accurate and the problem is real.

> ³And the indoctrination and the danger of indoctrination is
> very, very serious.²

> Dr. Hachiche calls this kind of teaching nothing short of
> infanticide. But he hopes children growing up in today's
> Islamic world will ultimately reject these messages of
> hatred.

> ³On both sides the younger generation are looking for true
> leaders who will have the courage to overcome this passion
> that is leading to mutual destruction.²

> Still, in the mid-east the violence continues. And now even
> in America we're looking terrorism right in the face--
> listening and wondering if this is the voice of the future.

--- In metatuning@y..., "X. J .Scott" <xjscott@e...> wrote:

> This is rather amazing. If true, it goes to explain
> some things.
>
> http://www.wtvt.com/investreptr/jihad.html

thanks jeff. unfortunately the culture of teaching children, from day
one, to kill themselves in the fight against infidels, is a painful
reality in that part of the world. it is too bad the new york times
and other american media choose to ignore this aspect of the
situation in their coverage, leaving the american public with a
grossly misinformed view of the events in the region.

--- In metatuning@y..., "emotionaljourney22" <paul@s...> wrote:

/metatuning/topicId_2261.html#2273

> --- In metatuning@y..., "X. J .Scott" <xjscott@e...> wrote:
>
> > This is rather amazing. If true, it goes to explain
> > some things.
> >
> > http://www.wtvt.com/investreptr/jihad.html
>
> thanks jeff. unfortunately the culture of teaching children, from
day
> one, to kill themselves in the fight against infidels, is a painful
> reality in that part of the world. it is too bad the new york times
> and other american media choose to ignore this aspect of the
> situation in their coverage, leaving the american public with a
> grossly misinformed view of the events in the region.

***Hi Paul.

Actually, I believe the Times *did* cover this in a very frightening
edition of its "Nation Challenged" section.

It was all about the education of young people in the Islamic world
by religious schools which, apparently, is all there is in some areas.

The thought that we will have to live with these people well beyond
the length of most of our lives (even *you* Paul! :) ) is *very*
disconcerting...

J. Pehrson

> thanks jeff. unfortunately the culture of teaching children,
> from day one, to kill themselves in the fight against
> infidels, is a painful reality in that part of the world.

Paul & Joe,

I'm glad someone else sees there is a connection
between this sort of thing and what is going in the
world. Unfortunately, it seems some people just don't
get it. I guess a parallel situation would be if you
imagined some sort of group of radical racial
supremists holed up in a compound in Wyoming, showing
their children cartoons encouraging them to slaughter
the evil members of the hated other races, whose
alleged crimes and evil-deeds were memorialized in
various stories and songs the children were required to
learn. Imagine 18 years of such exposure with no
exposure to any other viewpoint. It's self-evident that
it would be enough to produce some real crazy people,
detached from reality, and perhaps incurable psychotic.
Who would we blame for such a situation if the young
adult then went on a suicidal killing spree. Obviously
the parents that showed the films, the people who made
the films, and the people who knew what was going on
and didn't want to get involved or say the truth. Those
would be the ones seen as the real abusers.

Also, obviously the way to stop the violence would be
to recognize that the parents were abusing the children
with this level of propaganda and the responsible thing
to do would be to come into the cult compound and put
an end to the videos, the hate literature, and to take
the children away from their parents and give them a
chance to learn about reality. I hardly ever think a
government should get involved in taking kids away from
their parents or getting involved in their upraising
but I can see that parents indoctrinating their
children in a virulent hatred for other groups and
actively encouraging psychotic acts of violence is an
extreme form of child abuse that needs to be stopped
immediately once it is recognized.

- Jeff

We might want to consider the situation of our media and entertainment
that the solutions to problems are always military ones. Are we just more
refined in our brain washing or not!

"X. J .Scott" wrote:

> > thanks jeff. unfortunately the culture of teaching children,
> > from day one, to kill themselves in the fight against
> > infidels, is a painful reality in that part of the world.
>
> Paul & Joe,
>
> I'm glad someone else sees there is a connection
> between this sort of thing and what is going in the
> world. Unfortunately, it seems some people just don't
> get it. I guess a parallel situation would be if you
> imagined some sort of group of radical racial
> supremists holed up in a compound in Wyoming, showing
> their children cartoons encouraging them to slaughter
> the evil members of the hated other races, whose
> alleged crimes and evil-deeds were memorialized in
> various stories and songs the children were required to
> learn. Imagine 18 years of such exposure with no
> exposure to any other viewpoint. It's self-evident that
> it would be enough to produce some real crazy people,
> detached from reality, and perhaps incurable psychotic.
> Who would we blame for such a situation if the young
> adult then went on a suicidal killing spree. Obviously
> the parents that showed the films, the people who made
> the films, and the people who knew what was going on
> and didn't want to get involved or say the truth. Those
> would be the ones seen as the real abusers.
>
> Also, obviously the way to stop the violence would be
> to recognize that the parents were abusing the children
> with this level of propaganda and the responsible thing
> to do would be to come into the cult compound and put
> an end to the videos, the hate literature, and to take
> the children away from their parents and give them a
> chance to learn about reality. I hardly ever think a
> government should get involved in taking kids away from
> their parents or getting involved in their upraising
> but I can see that parents indoctrinating their
> children in a virulent hatred for other groups and
> actively encouraging psychotic acts of violence is an
> extreme form of child abuse that needs to be stopped
> immediately once it is recognized.
>
> - Jeff

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--- In metatuning@y..., "jpehrson2" <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> --- In metatuning@y..., "emotionaljourney22" <paul@s...> wrote:
>
> /metatuning/topicId_2261.html#2273
>
> > --- In metatuning@y..., "X. J .Scott" <xjscott@e...> wrote:
> >
> > > This is rather amazing. If true, it goes to explain
> > > some things.
> > >
> > > http://www.wtvt.com/investreptr/jihad.html
> >
> > thanks jeff. unfortunately the culture of teaching children, from
> day
> > one, to kill themselves in the fight against infidels, is a
painful
> > reality in that part of the world. it is too bad the new york
times
> > and other american media choose to ignore this aspect of the
> > situation in their coverage, leaving the american public with a
> > grossly misinformed view of the events in the region.
>
> ***Hi Paul.
>
> Actually, I believe the Times *did* cover this in a very
frightening
> edition of its "Nation Challenged" section.
>
> It was all about the education of young people in the Islamic world
> by religious schools which, apparently, is all there is in some
areas.

yes, i remember this being discussed.

however, what i'm referring to is not restricted to the religious
schools, since it's on television (see above), and also similar
incitements are found in the standard palestinian schoolbooks
(funded, by the way, by the european union).