klangfarbenmelodie (was: orchestration)

> From: clumma <carl@...>
> To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:48 AM
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: orchestration
>
>
> > "Klangfarbenmelodie" is German for "tone-color melodies" or
> > "melodies of timbres". Basically, the idea was Schoenberg's,
> > and it forms the dazzling conclusion to his theory as presented
> > in 1911 in _Harmonielehre_.
>
> He may have been the first to suggest an entire piece made of
> it, but he certainly didn't invent hocketing.

oh, sure, i know that ... in fact some terrific examples
of hocketing can be found in Guillaume de Machaut's
_Messe de Nostre Dame_, the earliest complete setting of
the mass which is known to have been composed by a single
composer (c. 1350).

it seemed to me that you weren't too clear on "Klangfarbenmelodie"
... that's why i went into a little detail about that.

> By far the best and most clever application of the
> technique I know of is in Beethoven's late string quartets.

i'll agree with you there ... altho hocketing is something
that several more modern composers have also used to
great effect.

earlier examples of hocketing tended to focus on the
rhythmic interplay of the different parts. Schoenberg's
innovative contribution was in putting the focus on
t i m b r e .

this is yet another original idea of Schoenberg's which
i believe was derived from his interest in microtonality.
he apparently could hear some overtones in ordinary
instruments, and was eager to exploit those microtonal
pitch subtleties, which he knew he couldn't quite get
with the 12-edo tuning that he eventually embraced.

-monz

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--- In metatuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:

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> earlier examples of hocketing tended to focus on the
> rhythmic interplay of the different parts. Schoenberg's
> innovative contribution was in putting the focus on
> t i m b r e .
>
> this is yet another original idea of Schoenberg's which
> i believe was derived from his interest in microtonality.
> he apparently could hear some overtones in ordinary
> instruments, and was eager to exploit those microtonal
> pitch subtleties, which he knew he couldn't quite get
> with the 12-edo tuning that he eventually embraced.
>
>
>
> -monz
>

****Right! This was a *very early* attempt at the kind of "spectral"
work that is going on today...

JP

Let's not forget Andriessen's Hocket piece Hocketus?

monz wrote:

> >
> > He may have been the first to suggest an entire piece made of
> > it, but he certainly didn't invent hocketing.
>
> oh, sure, i know that ... in fact some terrific examples
> of hocketing can be found in Guillaume de Machaut's
> _Messe de Nostre Dame_,

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