Nielsen (was: Orchestration / Microtonality / Adler)

> From: jpehrson2 <jpehrson@...>
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> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 7:54 PM
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: Orchestration / Microtonality / Adler
>
>
> **Try Nielsen. Maybe not much of an orchestrator, but some
> pretty "modern" and cool stuff.

another one of my favorites, Joe!

Nielsen's 4th Symphony, subtitled "The Inextinguishable"
(referring to the will to live ... the piece was written
during WWI), is IMO one of the greatest symphonies ever written.

-monz

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> > From: jpehrson2 <jpehrson@r...>
> > To: <metatuning@y...>
> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 7:54 PM
> > Subject: [metatuning] Re: Orchestration / Microtonality / Adler
> >
> >
> > **Try Nielsen. Maybe not much of an orchestrator, but some
> > pretty "modern" and cool stuff.
>
>
> another one of my favorites, Joe!
>
> Nielsen's 4th Symphony, subtitled "The Inextinguishable"
> (referring to the will to live ... the piece was written
> during WWI), is IMO one of the greatest symphonies ever written.
>
>
>
> -monz
>

***I'm getting them a bit confused now... I think the 3rd is the one
I particularly like... but he's one of my favorite composers as well!

JP

> From: jpehrson2 <jpehrson@...>
> To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 12:37 PM
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: Nielsen (was: Orchestration / Microtonality /
Adler)
>
>
> --- In metatuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:
>
> /metatuning/topicId_1657.html#1657
>
> > > From: jpehrson2 <jpehrson@r...>
> > >
> > > **Try Nielsen. Maybe not much of an orchestrator, but some
> > > pretty "modern" and cool stuff.
> >
> >
> > another one of my favorites, Joe!
> >
> > Nielsen's 4th Symphony, subtitled "The Inextinguishable"
> > (referring to the will to live ... the piece was written
> > during WWI), is IMO one of the greatest symphonies ever written.
> >
> >
>
> ***I'm getting them a bit confused now... I think the 3rd is the one
> I particularly like... but he's one of my favorite composers as well!
>
> JP

Neilsen's 3rd is titled "Sinfonia Expansiva", and it is a big one.
i'm pretty sure it's the longest of all his symphonies.

i'm a very big fan of Neilsen. the 4th ("Inextinguishable") is
by far the best known, and also by far the best. his 1st and 5th
are both quite good, too ... the 1st sounds a lot like his mentor,
Brahams, but by the 3rd he had found his own voice.

the 5th was particularly well liked a few decades ago, especially
in England. Simpson's biography of Neilsen rates the 5th as the best.

-monz

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> From: monz <joemonz@...>
> To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [metatuning] Re: Nielsen (was: Orchestration / Microtonality
/ Adler)
>
>
> i'm a very big fan of Neilsen. the 4th ("Inextinguishable") is
> by far the best known, and also by far the best. his 1st and 5th
> are both quite good, too ... the 1st sounds a lot like his mentor,
> Brahams, but by the 3rd he had found his own voice.
>
> the 5th was particularly well liked a few decades ago, especially
> in England. Simpson's biography of Neilsen rates the 5th as the best.

since the original subject of this thread was orchestration,
it would be appropriate for me to mention here one of the
greatest things about Neilsen's 4th: the "dueling timpanis"
in the last movement!

i'm not kidding: in the score, he directs the timpanists to
set up two sets of drums, one each on opposite sides of the
stage, and when the time comes, they slam away at each other
with the kind of drum writing that reminds me at least a little
bit of the kind of stuff John Bonham played with Led Zeppelin.

what an incredible piece ... i mentioned on one of these
lists just a couple of weeks ago how i missed out on my
10th grade geometry class because i sat in the back row
and studied my "Inextinguishable" score during the whole
school year.

-monz

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>
> > From: jpehrson2 <jpehrson@r...>
> > To: <metatuning@y...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 12:37 PM
> > Subject: [metatuning] Re: Nielsen (was: Orchestration /
Microtonality /
> Adler)
> >
> >
> > --- In metatuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:
> >
> > /metatuning/topicId_1657.html#1657
> >
> > > > From: jpehrson2 <jpehrson@r...>
> > > >
> > > > **Try Nielsen. Maybe not much of an orchestrator, but some
> > > > pretty "modern" and cool stuff.
> > >
> > >
> > > another one of my favorites, Joe!
> > >
> > > Nielsen's 4th Symphony, subtitled "The Inextinguishable"
> > > (referring to the will to live ... the piece was written
> > > during WWI), is IMO one of the greatest symphonies ever written.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ***I'm getting them a bit confused now... I think the 3rd is the
one
> > I particularly like... but he's one of my favorite composers as
well!
> >
> > JP
>
>
> Neilsen's 3rd is titled "Sinfonia Expansiva", and it is a big one.
> i'm pretty sure it's the longest of all his symphonies.
>
> i'm a very big fan of Neilsen. the 4th ("Inextinguishable") is
> by far the best known, and also by far the best. his 1st and 5th
> are both quite good, too ... the 1st sounds a lot like his mentor,
> Brahams, but by the 3rd he had found his own voice.
>
> the 5th was particularly well liked a few decades ago, especially
> in England. Simpson's biography of Neilsen rates the 5th as the
best.
>

***The 5th, as I recall is quite progressive... in his own style of
*avant garde* ... The 3rd is very solidly constructed and very
beautiful... I forget the rest for the moment...

JP

yes the one with the snare let loose!

monz wrote:

>
>
> the 5th was particularly well liked a few decades ago, especially
> in England. Simpson's biography of Neilsen rates the 5th as the best.
>

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

> From: jpehrson2 <jpehrson@...>
> To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 4:36 PM
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: Nielsen (was: Orchestration / Microtonality /
Adler)
>
>
> --- In metatuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:
>
> /metatuning/topicId_1657.html#1678
>
> >
> > > From: jpehrson2 <jpehrson@r...>
> > > To: <metatuning@y...>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 12:37 PM
> > > Subject: [metatuning] Re: Nielsen (was: Orchestration /
> Microtonality /
> > Adler)
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In metatuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > /metatuning/topicId_1657.html#1657
> > >
> > > > > From: jpehrson2 <jpehrson@r...>
> > > > >
> > > > > **Try Nielsen. Maybe not much of an orchestrator, but some
> > > > > pretty "modern" and cool stuff.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > another one of my favorites, Joe!
> > > >
> > > > Nielsen's 4th Symphony, subtitled "The Inextinguishable"
> > > > (referring to the will to live ... the piece was written
> > > > during WWI), is IMO one of the greatest symphonies ever written.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > ***I'm getting them a bit confused now... I think the 3rd is the
> one
> > > I particularly like... but he's one of my favorite composers as
> well!
> > >
> > > JP
> >
> >
> > Neilsen's 3rd is titled "Sinfonia Expansiva", and it is a big one.
> > i'm pretty sure it's the longest of all his symphonies.
> >
> > i'm a very big fan of Neilsen. the 4th ("Inextinguishable") is
> > by far the best known, and also by far the best. his 1st and 5th
> > are both quite good, too ... the 1st sounds a lot like his mentor,
> > Brahams, but by the 3rd he had found his own voice.
> >
> > the 5th was particularly well liked a few decades ago, especially
> > in England. Simpson's biography of Neilsen rates the 5th as the
> best.
> >
>
> ***The 5th, as I recall is quite progressive... in his own style of
> *avant garde* ... The 3rd is very solidly constructed and very
> beautiful... I forget the rest for the moment...

yes, it could certainly be said that Neilsen's 5th is his
"progressive" magnum opus. and again -- noting the orchestration
context of this thread and the info about "dueling timpani"
in the 4th -- Neilsen brings the percussion section to the
forefront in this piece too. this time, it's the amazing
snare-drum solo that breaks out of the slow movement.

Neilsen's 6th ("Sinfonia Semplice") is more progressive
still, but while some folks hold it dear, most commentators
-- including many Neilsen fans like myself -- feel that his
inspiration had slipped out of him by that time.

my experience is that the 4th blows away nearly everyone,
but that the rest are an "acquired taste".

-monz

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Hi Kraig,

> From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>
> To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 7:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [metatuning] Re: Nielsen
>
>
> monz wrote:
>
> > the 5th was particularly well liked a few decades ago, especially
> > in England. Simpson's biography of Neilsen rates the 5th as the best.
>
> yes the one with the snare let loose!

yup, that's the one!

i wrote some more about it before i read your post.

-monz

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>
> > From: jpehrson2 <jpehrson@r...>
> > To: <metatuning@y...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 4:36 PM
> > Subject: [metatuning] Re: Nielsen (was: Orchestration /
Microtonality /
> Adler)
> >
> >
> > --- In metatuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:
> >
> > /metatuning/topicId_1657.html#1678
> >
> > >
> > > > From: jpehrson2 <jpehrson@r...>
> > > > To: <metatuning@y...>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 12:37 PM
> > > > Subject: [metatuning] Re: Nielsen (was: Orchestration /
> > Microtonality /
> > > Adler)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In metatuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > /metatuning/topicId_1657.html#1657
> > > >
> > > > > > From: jpehrson2 <jpehrson@r...>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > **Try Nielsen. Maybe not much of an orchestrator, but
some
> > > > > > pretty "modern" and cool stuff.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > another one of my favorites, Joe!
> > > > >
> > > > > Nielsen's 4th Symphony, subtitled "The Inextinguishable"
> > > > > (referring to the will to live ... the piece was written
> > > > > during WWI), is IMO one of the greatest symphonies ever
written.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > ***I'm getting them a bit confused now... I think the 3rd is
the
> > one
> > > > I particularly like... but he's one of my favorite composers
as
> > well!
> > > >
> > > > JP
> > >
> > >
> > > Neilsen's 3rd is titled "Sinfonia Expansiva", and it is a big
one.
> > > i'm pretty sure it's the longest of all his symphonies.
> > >
> > > i'm a very big fan of Neilsen. the 4th ("Inextinguishable") is
> > > by far the best known, and also by far the best. his 1st and
5th
> > > are both quite good, too ... the 1st sounds a lot like his
mentor,
> > > Brahams, but by the 3rd he had found his own voice.
> > >
> > > the 5th was particularly well liked a few decades ago,
especially
> > > in England. Simpson's biography of Neilsen rates the 5th as the
> > best.
> > >
> >
> > ***The 5th, as I recall is quite progressive... in his own style
of
> > *avant garde* ... The 3rd is very solidly constructed and very
> > beautiful... I forget the rest for the moment...
>
>
> yes, it could certainly be said that Neilsen's 5th is his
> "progressive" magnum opus. and again -- noting the orchestration
> context of this thread and the info about "dueling timpani"
> in the 4th -- Neilsen brings the percussion section to the
> forefront in this piece too. this time, it's the amazing
> snare-drum solo that breaks out of the slow movement.
>
> Neilsen's 6th ("Sinfonia Semplice") is more progressive
> still, but while some folks hold it dear, most commentators
> -- including many Neilsen fans like myself -- feel that his
> inspiration had slipped out of him by that time.
>
> my experience is that the 4th blows away nearly everyone,
> but that the rest are an "acquired taste".
>
>

****Joe... I have to confess. I think I haven't heard the 4th or
otherwise I certainly would have remembered it...!

JP