Mahler still #1 (was: the "woist" orchestrator)

> From: jpehrson2 <jpehrson@...>
> To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:48 AM
> Subject: [metatuning] the "woist" orchestrator
>
>
> And of the "classic greats" ... meaning, of course, dead white male,
> mostly Germanic composers... :) who was the "woist" orchestrator??
>
> I would say Schumann...
>
> Mud-deeee!

H A !!!! THANKS, JOE!

this is a p e r f e c t example of what i'm saying.

go to your local CD shop and look for the Mahler re-orchestration
of Schumann's 2nd Symphony. it'll blow your mind.

-monz

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--- In metatuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:

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> > From: jpehrson2 <jpehrson@r...>
> > To: <metatuning@y...>
> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:48 AM
> > Subject: [metatuning] the "woist" orchestrator
> >
> >
> > And of the "classic greats" ... meaning, of course, dead white
male,
> > mostly Germanic composers... :) who was the "woist"
orchestrator??
> >
> > I would say Schumann...
> >
> > Mud-deeee!
>
>
> H A !!!! THANKS, JOE!
>
> this is a p e r f e c t example of what i'm saying.
>
> go to your local CD shop and look for the Mahler re-orchestration
> of Schumann's 2nd Symphony. it'll blow your mind.
>
>
>
> -monz
>

***Amazing. I had *no* idea he'd done that. He *obviously* thought
it needed it!

JP

> From: jpehrson2 <jpehrson@...>
> To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 7:39 PM
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: Mahler still #1 (was: the "woist" orchestrator)
>
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> --- In metatuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:
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> /metatuning/topicId_1620.html#1620
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> >
> > > From: jpehrson2 <jpehrson@r...>
> > > To: <metatuning@y...>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:48 AM
> > > Subject: [metatuning] the "woist" orchestrator
> > >
> > >
> > > And of the "classic greats" ... meaning, of course, dead white
> male,
> > > mostly Germanic composers... :) who was the "woist"
> orchestrator??
> > >
> > > I would say Schumann...
> > >
> > > Mud-deeee!
> >
> >
> > H A !!!! THANKS, JOE!
> >
> > this is a p e r f e c t example of what i'm saying.
> >
> > go to your local CD shop and look for the Mahler re-orchestration
> > of Schumann's 2nd Symphony. it'll blow your mind.
>
> ***Amazing. I had *no* idea he'd done that. He *obviously*
> thought it needed it!

ever since i was a young lad just starting out in music, i've
always read about Schumann's muddy orchestration. apparently
it's been common knowledge for a long time.

Mahler also had largely the same opinion of Brahms as an
orchestrater, but he never bothered to rewrite a Brahms
symphony. i think that's probably because they actually
knew each other personally.

i'm totally serious -- go get a CD of this, because it will
completely change your estimation of Schumann as a symphonist.
Mahler worked some real magic with this one. the slow movement
is simply breathtaking in his reorchestration.

-monz

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> From: <Afmmjr@...>
> To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 7:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [metatuning] the "woist" orchestrator
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>
> Monz, you're showing a bit of bias towards Mahler...
> but I guess you knew that.

yup ... in fact, my first comments about Mahler on this
thread were really meant to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek.
but as people responded, i got drawn in to what i really
do feel is an incontrovertible fact: Mahler sure knew how
to write for the orchestra.

i already mentioned how Mahler revised his symphonies again and
again. these were often small adjustments only for particular
acoustical properites in specific halls where he'd be conducting
his works, showing that he really tried hard to get what was
in his head across to his audience in sound. my opinion is
that he invariably succeeds.

-monz

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--- In metatuning@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:

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>
>
> ever since i was a young lad just starting out in music, i've
> always read about Schumann's muddy orchestration. apparently
> it's been common knowledge for a long time.
>
> Mahler also had largely the same opinion of Brahms as an
> orchestrater, but he never bothered to rewrite a Brahms
> symphony. i think that's probably because they actually
> knew each other personally.
>
> i'm totally serious -- go get a CD of this, because it will
> completely change your estimation of Schumann as a symphonist.
> Mahler worked some real magic with this one. the slow movement
> is simply breathtaking in his reorchestration.
>
>
>
> -monz
>

***Well, personally, I don't feel he's as bad as Kraig does... but
the *orchestration* could surely use improvement. I'll "check it
out..."

JP