Re: Sgt. Pepper

> > > On the other hand, one could ask the question "Could _Sgt
> > > Pepper_ have been created without acid?" I'd like to think
> > > "yes!" but of course we can only speculate...
>
> You know... I never even *knew* that. Must be behind
> on "Beetlemania..." What's the scoop on that again, and how do
> people know about it??

"[L]ucy in the [S]ky with [D]iamonds"
is all you need to know...

--- In metatuning@y..., kris.peck@t... wrote:

/metatuning/topicId_1497.html#1497

>
> > > > On the other hand, one could ask the question "Could _Sgt
> > > > Pepper_ have been created without acid?" I'd like to think
> > > > "yes!" but of course we can only speculate...
> >
> > You know... I never even *knew* that. Must be behind
> > on "Beetlemania..." What's the scoop on that again, and how do
> > people know about it??
>
>
> "[L]ucy in the [S]ky with [D]iamonds"
> is all you need to know...

Oh sure... I remember that now...

JP

> From: jpehrson2 <jpehrson@...>
> To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:52 AM
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: Sgt. Pepper
>
>
> --- In metatuning@y..., kris.peck@t... wrote:
>
> /metatuning/topicId_1497.html#1497
>
> >
> > > > > On the other hand, one could ask the question "Could _Sgt
> > > > > Pepper_ have been created without acid?" I'd like to think
> > > > > "yes!" but of course we can only speculate...
> > >
> > > You know... I never even *knew* that. Must be behind
> > > on "Beetlemania..." What's the scoop on that again, and how do
> > > people know about it??
> >
> >
> > "[L]ucy in the [S]ky with [D]iamonds"
> > is all you need to know...
>
>
> Oh sure... Where is my memory of that time? Could it be something I
> was taking??

But please note one important thing about this: John Lennon
*steadfastly* maintained right up to his death that the title
of this song was not an intentional link to the drug LSD, and
that he got the idea for the song from a picture that his son
Julian drew (Julian was a little boy then). Most people seem
to dismiss Lennon's position on this, but he said it over and
over again in various interviews, even as he admitted that he
had gone on probably 1000 acid trips during his time with the
Beatles. So there's still the possibility that it was an
extraordinary coincidence.

-monz

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monz wrote:

> But please note one important thing about this: John Lennon
> *steadfastly* maintained right up to his death that the title
> of this song was not an intentional link to the drug LSD, and
> that he got the idea for the song from a picture that his son
> Julian drew (Julian was a little boy then). Most people seem
> to dismiss Lennon's position on this, but he said it over and
> over again in various interviews, even as he admitted that he
> had gone on probably 1000 acid trips during his time with the
> Beatles. So there's still the possibility that it was an
> extraordinary coincidence.

Yes, but musicians *always* deny drug references in their music, at least
if they count on mainstream radio play. The same way journalists *always*
assume symbolist or surrealist imagery must be drug induced. So I'm
permanently confused about these matters.

Wasn't LSD money when the song was written? Well, I suppose you wouldn't
encode that in the title.

Graham

>Wasn't LSD money when the song was written?

money ?

I can believe that the song was based on a drawing,
but I have a hard time believing the Beatles were
unaware of the acronym.

Now, the question is, do you believe that Arthur
C. Clarke was unaware that the letters in HAL are
all immediate alphabetical predecessors of the
letters in IBM? I personally buy this, but who
knows?

I am also Shostakovitch.

-Carl

> From: <graham@...>
> To: <metatuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 8:58 AM
> Subject: [metatuning] Re: Sgt. Pepper
>
>
> In-Reply-To: <002b01c1a298$acb5aa40$af48620c@...>
> monz wrote:
>
> > But please note one important thing about this: John Lennon
> > *steadfastly* maintained right up to his death that the title
> > of this song was not an intentional link to the drug LSD, and
> > that he got the idea for the song from a picture that his son
> > Julian drew (Julian was a little boy then). Most people seem
> > to dismiss Lennon's position on this, but he said it over and
> > over again in various interviews, even as he admitted that he
> > had gone on probably 1000 acid trips during his time with the
> > Beatles. So there's still the possibility that it was an
> > extraordinary coincidence.
>
> Yes, but musicians *always* deny drug references in their music, at least
> if they count on mainstream radio play. The same way journalists *always*
> assume symbolist or surrealist imagery must be drug induced. So I'm
> permanently confused about these matters.

Well, OK, that's true, and it's also true that none of the Beatles
ever admitted to any drug references while the group was still together.

But as soon as they disbanded, in Lennon's famous book-length 1970
_Playboy_ interview, he admitted that his song _She Said She Said_
was inspired by an event that happened when he and Peter Fonda
were both tripping on acid at a party, and Fonda came up to Lennon
saying "I know what it's like to be dead!".

My point was that even *after* admitting this, Lennon still
maintained that "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" was not an LSD
reference. So my feeling is, why would he continue to lie
about it regarding that one particular song? What did he
have to gain by covering it up, if he *was* lying?

-monz

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