Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup makemicromusic New ogg + score uploaded

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Fillebrown"
<AMiltonF@a...> wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Fillebrown"
> <AMiltonF@a...> wrote:
> > --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Fillebrown"
> > <AMiltonF@a...> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > My name's Andy Fillebrown and I just uploaded 2 files for
> perusal.
> > > It'd be great if you'd all tell me what you think as I'm
starved
> > for
> > > input and having difficulty finding direction.
> > >
> > > URL of directory containing files...
> > > /makemicromusic/files/Andy%
> > > 20Fillebrown/
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Andy F.
> >
> > /makemicromusic/files/Andy%
> > 20Fillebrown/
>
> /makemicromusic/files/Andy
> Fillebrown/

how does one get the link on one line so it's not
dropping "Fillebrown"?

🔗Rick McGowan <rick@...>

🔗Joel Hickman <joelhickman_1999@...>

Type the link without using the spacebar.
Using the spacebar cuts the link title in
two.

--- Andrew Fillebrown <AMiltonF@...> wrote:

> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew
> Fillebrown"
> <AMiltonF@a...> wrote:
> > --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew
> Fillebrown"
> > <AMiltonF@a...> wrote:
> > > --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew
> Fillebrown"
> > > <AMiltonF@a...> wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > My name's Andy Fillebrown and I just uploaded
> 2 files for
> > perusal.
> > > > It'd be great if you'd all tell me what you
> think as I'm
> starved
> > > for
> > > > input and having difficulty finding direction.
> > > >
> > > > URL of directory containing files...
> > > >
>
/makemicromusic/files/Andy%
> > > > 20Fillebrown/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Andy F.
> > >
> > >
>
/makemicromusic/files/Andy%
> > > 20Fillebrown/
> >
> >
>
/makemicromusic/files/Andy
>
> > Fillebrown/
>
>
> how does one get the link on one line so it's not
> dropping "Fillebrown"?
>
>

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🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

>Hello,
>
>My name's Andy Fillebrown and I just uploaded 2 files for perusal.
>It'd be great if you'd all tell me what you think as I'm starved
>for input and having difficulty finding direction.

Heya Andy,

As you know, I think this is an incredibly fascinating project!
I would think a tool like this would be so inspiring, direction
would not be a problem.

But I don't actually know what capabilities you've implemented
in your application. Can one draw freely on the score? Are
there line and curve tools? Can one copy and paste or drag
score elements into different locations? Is there beat, and
can one snap elements to it? Do the marks generate sine tones
only, or MIDI so that one can specify any timbre? What does
the red and blue color represent?

How to find a balance between extending your application and
using it to make music might be something worth thinking about.

-Carl

🔗Andrew Fillebrown <AMiltonF@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:

> Heya Andy,
>
> As you know, I think this is an incredibly fascinating project!
> I would think a tool like this would be so inspiring, direction
> would not be a problem.
>
> But I don't actually know what capabilities you've implemented
> in your application. Can one draw freely on the score? Are
> there line and curve tools? Can one copy and paste or drag
> score elements into different locations? Is there beat, and
> can one snap elements to it? Do the marks generate sine tones
> only, or MIDI so that one can specify any timbre? What does
> the red and blue color represent?
>
> How to find a balance between extending your application and
> using it to make music might be something worth thinking about.
>
> -Carl

The possibilities are overwhelming. It's not so much that I can't
find direction but that there are more than a lifetime of directions
to take. I need help narrowing them down so I don't just keep
doodling.

The implementation relies heavily on Acad and the music entity seen
on screen is a polyline that can't be doubled back on in the time
domain. Copying, pasting, snapping, mirroring, arraying and pretty
much anything else that can be done with native Acad entities can
also be done with the music entity. Curves can be approximated by
increasing the point density in the polyline. Beats can be followed
by spacing music entities evenly in time. Regarding MIDI, I did away
with it due to it's lack of precision and have gone with a structured-
audio approach which will be extended to new instruments as I code
them. Regarding the colors on the score, they're just for visual
reference between tracks when viewing in 2d. In the uploaded ogg the
red track is lower in volume than the blue track.

-----
What do you think of the sound in the .ogg? More of an effect than
music, but interesting? Personally, I love the depth and complexity
of it.

-----
As far as finding direction goes, I intend to go a route most closely
described as ambient in that I'll be getting away from rhythm and
heavily structured tuning. That still leaves more than a lifetime of
possibilities, though. I'll be posting more sounds and scores as
time progresses which will help clarify what I'm about.

Regards,
Andy F.

🔗Andrew Fillebrown <AMiltonF@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Rick McGowan <rick@u...> wrote:
> Andy Fillebrown wrote...
>
> > how does one get the link on one line so it's not
dropping "Fillebrown"?
>
> Don't use spaces in filenames. It's that simple. ;-)
>
> By the way, could you please tell us something about the tuning of
these files?
>
> Thanks,
> Rick

It's not done in a specific tuning. In a nutshell... it was created
by taking a spline, tracing over the spline w/ the music entity to
approximate the spline's curve, then arraying the music entity in a
circle [w/ random dimensions], then copying the resulting array a few
times to make the piece longer... a.k.a. doodling.

How do you think it sounds? Were you able to get the .dwf viewer
working and take a look at the score?

Regards,
Andy F.

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

>The possibilities are overwhelming. It's not so much that I can't
>find direction but that there are more than a lifetime of directions
>to take. I need help narrowing them down so I don't just keep
>doodling.

Have you tried transcribing a minuet or something?

>The implementation relies heavily on Acad and the music entity seen
>on screen is a polyline that can't be doubled back on in the time
>domain. Copying, pasting, snapping, mirroring, arraying and pretty
>much anything else that can be done with native Acad entities can
>also be done with the music entity.

Awesome.

>Regarding MIDI, I did away with it due to it's lack of precision
>and have gone with a structured-audio approach

As in SAOL?

>Regarding the colors on the score, they're just for visual
>reference between tracks when viewing in 2d. In the uploaded ogg the
>red track is lower in volume than the blue track.

Ah.

>What do you think of the sound in the .ogg? More of an effect than
>music, but interesting? Personally, I love the depth and complexity
>of it.

I think it's awesome. It reminds me of the famous THX logo sound in
movie theaters, but about 394803843 times cooler.

>As far as finding direction goes, I intend to go a route most closely
>described as ambient in that I'll be getting away from rhythm and
>heavily structured tuning. That still leaves more than a lifetime of
>possibilities, though. I'll be posting more sounds and scores as
>time progresses which will help clarify what I'm about.

Not sure how much others can help. A friend of mine who's a composer,
and his wife, his librettist, are always taking their stuff to
feedback groups. And always, and I'm not the only one of this
opinion, the revised versions are worse than the originals. Movies
that focus-group their screenplays are notorious as well. I don't
mean to say you intended to revise your work based on group feedback,
but rather just to give an extreme example of how discussing
artistic direction with others can backfire.

There is always more than a lifetime of possibilities. I remember
having something of a revelation my senior year of high school, that
the common notion that good ideas are rare was wrong. They are
too numerous! (And no, I do not think this merely weakens the
definition of "good".) I still haven't figured out how to narrow
them down. This morning I saw a quote of Amar Bose, the head of
the speaker company of the same name, 'I learned that when something
keeps coming back to you, you'd better pay attention to it'.

One thing you can count on me for is listening to your stuff!
Feedback on particular things about particular works might even come
to me, but general artistic direction -- I can't imagine advising
someone on that.

-Carl

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

🔗Andrew Fillebrown <AMiltonF@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:
> >The possibilities are overwhelming. It's not so much that I can't
> >find direction but that there are more than a lifetime of
directions
> >to take. I need help narrowing them down so I don't just keep
> >doodling.
>
> Have you tried transcribing a minuet or something?

That's a good idea. I twisted an Invention around a few years ago
when I was developing the program. Maybe I'll try that again.

> >Regarding MIDI, I did away with it due to it's lack of precision
> >and have gone with a structured-audio approach
>
> As in SAOL?

Similar in that it's structured and must be compiled but not
SAOL/SASL... never delved into it deep enough to incorporate it. It
was easier to just make a sine wave for reference. When I add
instruments they'll most likely be wavetable based [since I've been
scouring the net for samples for a long time]. Probably going to use
DLS files since I've already written the parsing code in an earlier
version.

> I think it's awesome. It reminds me of the famous THX logo sound in
> movie theaters, but about 394803843 times cooler.

...and that's pretty cool!

> >As far as finding direction goes, I intend to go a route most
closely
> >described as ambient in that I'll be getting away from rhythm and
> >heavily structured tuning. That still leaves more than a lifetime
of
> >possibilities, though. I'll be posting more sounds and scores as
> >time progresses which will help clarify what I'm about.
>
> Not sure how much others can help. A friend of mine who's a
composer,
> and his wife, his librettist, are always taking their stuff to
> feedback groups. And always, and I'm not the only one of this
> opinion, the revised versions are worse than the originals. Movies
> that focus-group their screenplays are notorious as well. I don't
> mean to say you intended to revise your work based on group
feedback,
> but rather just to give an extreme example of how discussing
> artistic direction with others can backfire.
>
> There is always more than a lifetime of possibilities. I remember
> having something of a revelation my senior year of high school, that
> the common notion that good ideas are rare was wrong. They are
> too numerous! (And no, I do not think this merely weakens the
> definition of "good".) I still haven't figured out how to narrow
> them down. This morning I saw a quote of Amar Bose, the head of
> the speaker company of the same name, 'I learned that when something
> keeps coming back to you, you'd better pay attention to it'.

Good points. I remember my final projects at school where we had
direct feedback from the instructor one on one for our film-scores
and with about a week left before recording I scrapped the whole
prior 3 months worth of "fedback" music & started from scratch. I
didn't sleep that week [spent all day/night copying parts] but damn
if that score didn't come out awesome! Funny too that you quote Dr.
Bose. I used to chauffer his employees to and from the "mountain".
Never met the Doc though.

> One thing you can count on me for is listening to your stuff!
> Feedback on particular things about particular works might even come
> to me, but general artistic direction -- I can't imagine advising
> someone on that.

Thanks Carl. This is going to be fun!

-----
BTW, Home Depot just gave me a raise so the timetable on upgrades
moved up. In the meantime, if you're ever in the Plymouth, MA area
let me know... and if you ever need a door installed talk to me
first. I'll steer you right :)

Regards,
Andy F.

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

>Good points. I remember my final projects at school where we had
>direct feedback from the instructor one on one for our film-scores
>and with about a week left before recording I scrapped the whole
>prior 3 months worth of "fedback" music & started from scratch. I
>didn't sleep that week [spent all day/night copying parts] but damn
>if that score didn't come out awesome!

I think everything of value I've ever done can be traced to similar.
My latest theory is that when doing something as hard as composing,
you devote a whole bunch of neurons to it. If you put it down,
those start getting pulled away for other things. When you come
back to it, you've lost the groove, as it were. And even if you get
a new groove going, it might not mesh with the one you had.

>Funny too that you quote Dr. Bose. I used to chauffer his
>employees to and from the "mountain". Never met the Doc though.

Neat coincidence!

>BTW, Home Depot just gave me a raise so the timetable on upgrades
>moved up. In the meantime, if you're ever in the Plymouth, MA area
>let me know... and if you ever need a door installed talk to me
>first. I'll steer you right :)

Will do. The romantic in me loves to see scholars such as yourself
working ordinary jobs. I worked at a gas station, grocery store
and outdoor gear shop before getting sucked into slightly higher-
profile jobs in the San Francisco Bay Area that nonetheless pay
slave wages.

-Carl

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Fillebrown"

/makemicromusic/topicId_7344.html#7354

<AMiltonF@a...> wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Rick McGowan <rick@u...>
wrote:
> > Andy Fillebrown wrote...
> >
> > > how does one get the link on one line so it's not
> dropping "Fillebrown"?
> >
> > Don't use spaces in filenames. It's that simple. ;-)
> >
> > By the way, could you please tell us something about the tuning
of
> these files?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rick
>
>
> It's not done in a specific tuning. In a nutshell... it was
created
> by taking a spline, tracing over the spline w/ the music entity to
> approximate the spline's curve, then arraying the music entity in a
> circle [w/ random dimensions], then copying the resulting array a
few
> times to make the piece longer... a.k.a. doodling.
>
> How do you think it sounds? Were you able to get the .dwf viewer
> working and take a look at the score?
>
>
> Regards,
> Andy F.

***I should hasten to add, though, that this new application and it's
relation to the classical Russian ANS synthesizer is extremely
fascinating!

J. Pehrson

🔗AMiltonF@...

In a message dated 9/6/04 11:19:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jpehrson@... writes:

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Fillebrown"

/makemicromusic/topicId_7344.html#7344

<AMiltonF@a...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My name's Andy Fillebrown and I just uploaded 2 files for perusal.
> It'd be great if you'd all tell me what you think as I'm starved
for
> input and having difficulty finding direction.
>
> URL of directory containing files...
> /makemicromusic/files/Andy%
> 20Fillebrown/
>
>
> Regards,
> Andy F.

***The .ogg could be a nice start of a piece, but right now it's too
short to count for much other than a sound effect...

J. Pehrson

Thanks for the input. I agree. It's more of a scribble than anything
consciously put together. Eventually there'll be actual compositions for perusal
when I get my day job's craxy schedule under control.

'til then,
Andy F.

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